Street Tourney Match #3

Couple things...

Is it assured that NC could catch him to teleport him in the air?? Someone as fast and agile as Venom might be able to get away before that happens. Once he's up there though, yeah there's a decent chance he's boned. I know I'm not voting, but that's what I've been thinking for a few pages now.

And nice pic there Lam but make sure it's Cyke level. Cyke's most powerful blasts can be wicked powerful, so it probably isn't beyond him, but I have to make sure everyone's staying honest...

Still an awesome fight. Kudos.

Digi, how long are your tournaments ?

Each match lasts a week. There's 16 people, and 2 matches a week, so the entire tourney will last around two months.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Each match lasts a week. There's 16 people, and 2 matches a week, so the entire tourney will last around two months.

OH!!!, thats kool, and a good tourney by the way, I want to see you enter one some time.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Couple things...

Is it assured that NC could catch him to teleport him in the air?? Someone as fast and agile as Venom might be able to get away before that happens.

He might have, but he was trying to catch me. I just helped his tendril touch me a little sooner than planned. (Insert the soft martial arts joke of your choice here.)

Originally posted by DigiMark007

And nice pic there Lam but make sure it's Cyke level. Cyke's most powerful blasts can be wicked powerful, so it probably isn't beyond him, but I have to make sure everyone's staying honest...

Still an awesome fight. Kudos.

We've seen Scott punch holes in Shi'ar capital-ship hulls, so figure we're cool. Vanth isn't destroying the ship entirely there, just blasting through to its engine-room while it's shields are down for a boarding action.

I'm gonna vote for Laminator.

I was right in my "badassness" assumption. Benedict and Vanth are freaking beastly. I'm gonna say he'd beat the crap out of Drizzt pretty easy, with sword skills alone. Saying Drizzt has the skills of a less talented person who had been training for a millenia would be pushing it. Benedict has been working for multiple millenia, and is apparently been getting steadily better. Lam has given me a full blown deep respect for him. Seriously, I was pretty much counting on no one even getting close to outskillifying Drizzt, but this guy's just godly... (Digi may be a Drizzt fan, I'm the closest you're gonna find to a fanboy. But Benedict has me impressed)

Is stacking energy legal? I'd say, from the looks of it, that Vanth's sword blasts are well under the limit unless fed by another energy source. Since his alternate source comes from something other than Vanth's stuff, I think it should be legal. (it's probly above Cyke's normal blasts... but not to the point of planet busting or anything)

If it gets into the air, Jinzin is screwed. Plain and simple. Physics rule, and Laminator obviously has a pretty good grasp of them. Webs are useless while falling, berretas don't have really great range. Jinzin is underestimating how far up 2 miles really is....

As to taking blasts... A: Concussive force is different than energy. Cyke's blasts are concussive, Vanth's are energy. So while his probably is equal in destruction power, it's probably a little more potent in terms of damage to people. B: For all intents and purposes of the tourney, Wolverine can NOT stand up to Hulk, and neither can Venom or Sabertooth. Why? Luke Cage. His durability is good, but he won't be taking all that many high class 100 hits. I'm pretty sure your choices are stick to the tourney and downplay the feats, or stand with your characters and forfeit. You might be a little above Cage, but you still shouldn't be taking a Hulk-style beatdown while smiling. A charged up blast or two should leave you quite the messy, melted corpse. Or the "drop of blood" healing will come up again.

Whew. No one besides me has, of yet, taken advantage of the one post per thread that you get to totally root for one guy or another. I feel special, or just way too eager to argue with people.

Wohoo! Almost tied!

Originally posted by Dizzle
I'm gonna vote for Laminator.

I was right in my "badassness" assumption. Benedict and Vanth are freaking beastly. I'm gonna say he'd beat the crap out of Drizzt pretty easy, with sword skills alone.

Thanks, Dizz. I must say that stacking Drzzt with Leto II was brilliant. In my heart of hearts, I'm something of a Dune Fanboy.

Originally posted by Dizzle

If it gets into the air, Jinzin is screwed. Plain and simple. Physics rule, and Laminator obviously has a pretty good grasp of them. Webs are useless while falling, berretas don't have really great range. Jinzin is underestimating how far up 2 miles really is....

I'm not really as slick as I sound. It's easy to seem brilliant when everyone gets to just read the output and not see the time spent in frustration with a book open in front of me, three different web sites in tabs, and madly tapping away at my graphing calculator. I'm just glad I never sold back my textbooks in colllege. 🙂

Thanks again!

I like both of the characters very much so....but I am more so impressed with Jinzins....If
I could vote for the both I would but no.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Sadly, it sometimes feels like that's the only sane way to be a long-term comic reader . 😆

RE: Various invulnerable Venom feats, again if it's over the "Luce Cage" line, it's not germane to this debate. I doubt Cage's "steel-hard" skin (the term besides "unbreakable" most often used to describe him) would stand up to many of those attacks you described. Cage can take hit's that'll mangle a tank and be injured, but survive.

Vanth's sword can pump out blasts that blast through a military starship hull.

More to come.

again you're arguing over something that was well established when we started this whole debate.. it's not my fault that I picked a great character for my boy... well i guess it is... but hid durability and strength are something that have both been very well documented.. I took a hit in the strength department... my so called impossible feats of durability are something that venom does on a CONSISTENT/REGULAR basis....

so by admitting to the "i don't like it, it didn't happen" argument... you've just negated over half of venom's career... which is total and utter bull, sorry to say but everyone knew.. or SHOULD know what venom's capable of doing... now that YOU know and it doesn't suit your argument you're trying to debate against my character's durability... nu-uh...ain't gonna happen... he regularly does this stuff and he consistently stands up to the punishment... sorry if that doesn't suit your argument but then again..that's kind of the point...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
The tendrils are manifestations of the Logrus itself; a sentient, endlless, three dimensional maze that is the embodiment of Primal Chaos. The Master opens the gateway with his mind and the tendrils manifest in accordance with his intentions. The Master and the Logrus itself are both directing them. I guess that's kind of "yes and no." Their not independant, they share a common conciousness, but coordination isn't a problem for the Logrus. They're not dependant on the Master's fighting skill, but the amount of power that's able to manifest is limited by his will.
In this instance, I imagine Master is to Logrus as Venom is to Symbiote.

my point still stands... it's two different things.. those tendrils and TBK's tendrils...

Originally posted by leonidas
it boils down to this for me -- jin's amalgam seems the tougher but situationally, it seems lam SHOULD have the advantage but hasn't done enough yet to convince me he IS taking full advantage of it. lam, do you plan on taking him completely out WHILE he's in the air? ie - is he not supposed to be conscious when he lands? or did you plan on his landing and THEN doing something more? i'm also wonder a bit jin about the range of venom's tentacle's? how far can they extend? (since i really don't feel like drudging through books to find out . . .)

great fight!

carnage has sent his tenticals accross the country when he put them through a television broadcast...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Oh you can glide alright, but not "away from" me. Paragliders top out around 35mph lateral velocity, and I doubt your improvised glider will be quite that efficient. Ben Dreadcrawler can move plenty faster than that on foot let alone via teleportation through the treetops. Agaist the moonlit sky, I can track yor sihlouette with ease. The only place your gliding to is into my clutches. I've got you where you can neither dodge, nor run nor hide. It's rather nice actually.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Without thermals for more lift, lateral velocityis less than or equal to earthward velocity. Depending on the assumptions one makes about Big Kahuna's aerodynamics (i just picked some high and low estimates for drag and glide ratios compared to a human skydiver) he'll be airborn for three to six minutes, and within my range for at least a third of that time. In fact, I can pace him via Bamf so that I never have to come within range of his guns! Energy weapons rule!

again assuming big kahuna's just an idiot.... coming down towards you i hit my glider...you shoot at it... I let the gliding theory go, I freefall.... i myself can run a mile in a little over 5 minutes.. it's not going to take NEAR 3 to 6 minutes to get close to the ground... NOT EVEN CLOSE.... a minute...MAYBE....MAYBE a slight bit more... thanks to my weight and my symbiote i can hit terminal velocity in under 14 seconds.. then I begin to descend faster than 120 miles per hour... over 10,000 feet per minute... you have at this point considerably less than a minute...... coming towards the end of the fall I open up the symbiote to catch some air and use webbing chute for increased drag...

how long will it take to power up your sword?
I feel this is an important factor that's been overlooked.. when you first brought up the argument you said that it would need repeated blasts to power up... now you think you have 3 to 6 minutes to work with it and blast me....hmmmm

in any case, as soon as you start to unleash those blasts I'm going to deflect them with an array of shields symbiotic, webbing, or energy... you won't get through them... not in the limited amount of time you have...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Take a look at the picture of him blasting the spaceship again (re-posted below for everyone's convenience). You'll see that it's in fact a completely environmental, combat vacc-suit. In case anyone was wondering, I announced in one of my first few posts that I was sealing my suit. Thus, my noggin will be just fine, thank you.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Web and E-shield? Easily penetrated/overwhealmed. (again, see this and other pics)

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Spider-sense and reflexes? Useless while aloft. You cant dodge!

an argument I've made for when i reach the ground... funny how every time I reach the ground in this debate you ignore it and put me right back up there.... I know why though it's okay... I'd be afraid of big K in a h2h fight as well...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Avoiding your attacks? What attacks? I'm out of your range!

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Overcoming your healing factor? Whell, even if our dear voters are uncertain that one blast will do it, several minutes of continuous free hits will certainly do the trick!

i'd like tyo know where you're getting this assumption that I'm ONLY going to use a parachute or glider while you freely blast me away.... and just.....stay up there..............? 🤨

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Closing on me? You don't close until [b]I say so BAMF![/B]

note dear readers: his entire premise for this scenario is based on the fact that a) my symbiote simply "forgot" what it was doing when he grabbed it in the first place and doesn't latch on to him even though that was part of my original intention... 😕

b) THE BIG KAHUNA's a masochist and just sits there and takes abuse with no will to avoid it.

and c) both my durability and the durability of my weapons and tools are not NEARLY as strong for the purposes of this fight as they have consistently proven to be in published materials....

and of course d) it will take 3 to 6 minutes for me to descend 2 miles even though in freefall alone I can do that in about 1 minute...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Couple things...

Is it assured that NC could catch him to teleport him in the air?? Someone as fast and agile as Venom might be able to get away before that happens. Once he's up there though, yeah there's a decent chance he's boned. I know I'm not voting, but that's what I've been thinking for a few pages now.

And nice pic there Lam but make sure it's Cyke level. Cyke's most powerful blasts can be wicked powerful, so it probably isn't beyond him, but I have to make sure everyone's staying honest...

Still an awesome fight. Kudos.

the thing is my tendrils were originally trying to "get him" then he grabbed them and teleported us up there... his assumption and my giving him the benefit of the doubt was that the tendrils simply LET GO of him although their original intention was to grab him in the first place... 🤨
...thus if he tried to bamf back down to earth i would have gone with him to as my symbiote would already be snaking it's way up to his neck through his pores and whatnot...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
He might have, but [b]he was trying to catch me. I just helped his tendril touch me a little sooner than planned. (Insert the soft martial arts joke of your choice here.)

We've seen Scott punch holes in Shi'ar capital-ship hulls, so figure we're cool. Vanth isn't destroying the ship entirely there, just blasting through to its engine-room while it's shields are down for a boarding action. [/B]

at this point I would also like to mention that wolverine a man of lesser durability with an inferior healing factor to sabretooth simply and litterally walked right into cyclops' optic blast by putting his handout and walking forward... he's also taken a blast that sent him airborn from cyclops beams and simple got right back up again..... so if that's the cap we're working with laminators in EVEN WORSE shape against TBK than he already was...and that should just about cover the question of whether or not I'll be okay from such a blast WITHOUT my shields... nevermind the fact that I have a symbiote helping me out to boot.... . 😆
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now i get the fact that they are two different types of blasts but the fact is you thought that one blast would evaporate my character... obviously that ain't quite true.... or rather...at all..

current score table:

JINZIN VOTES
1. stormfront13
2. jplatinum
3.TwisterGameX
4.Nataku8188
5.Solidus Snake
6. jgiant
7. Dr.SpiderHulk

undecided but commented on the fight....
1. Khellendros (leaning towards jinzin)
2.leonidas (was leaning towards jinzin, now is unsure)
3.8bitChris (no favor towards either)
4.long pig (leaning towards jinzin right now)
5. newjak86 (no favor)
6. K Von Doom (currently favoring jinzin)

LAMINATOR X VOTES
1.zachrivard
2.DarkCrawler
3. Sentry
4 Dizzle

So far it looks like jinzin's amalgam will get the first strike, a very important factor. And it seems he has the speed as well. Sabertooth's quick to begin with, plus symbiote which moves at least as fast as Spidey X2 for taskmaster's ability. Is that the way it works? Top tier fighting, with a 15 ton strength plus tendrils? Plus he gets admantium and symbiote endurance and 2 healing factors?

Sorry laminator, jinzin gets my vote.

Err, actually I thought I voted a while back. Basically, Jinzin keeps scoffing at Benedict and pressing Taskmaster's prowess. But no f*ckin way is Taskmaster going to fight his way through any competent army on his own, much less surpassing that level of skill.

Second, I gotta side with Dizzle when he says he buys Lam's physics arguments. When your choices are plummeting toward the groun at breakneck speed, parachuting down light as a feather, or gliding at something lower than 35 mph... well, energy blast >> slow ass glider.

Also, Venom acted all haughty during his pounding by Juggy, but I've actually read on a few forums that it was revelead that he just barely made it out alive after that and was pretty grievously wounded.

EDIT: Just occured to me that I still didn't come out and actually say it. Voting for Laminator.

Here's the most current vote count 🙁

Laminator:
zachrivard
Khellendros
Dark Crawler
Sentry
Dizzle

Jinzin:
Stormfront
jplatinum
wolverine888888888
TwisterGameX
long pig
Nataku
Solidus Snake
Dr. SpiderHulk (was mildly unclear but I'm pretty sure, Digi might wanna verify)
Mercilous

Originally posted by jinzin
the thing is my tendrils were originally trying to "get him" then he grabbed them and teleported us up there... his assumption and my giving him the benefit of the doubt was that the tendrils simply LET GO of him although their original intention was to grab him in the first place... 🤨
...thus if he tried to bamf back down to earth i would have gone with him to as my symbiote would already be snaking it's way up to his neck through his pores and whatnot...

Nightcrawler teleports out of graples all the time. It's his choice weather to bring someone through with him.

As to your attepmts at contesting my control over out distance, my energy weapons are more accurate over a longer distance than your bullets. I can be close enought to nail you without coming into range of your attacks.

Powering up the sword? It's not like it takes some set amount of time. The big blast in the picture was after a brief skirmish with a dozen or so guys. I doubt that whole fight took 15 seconds.

I'm also gonna call "Spiderman vs. Firelord" on Wolvie walking into Cyke's blasts. If he puts out so little force that someone can just slowly push back against it like pushing a stalled car or something, he couldn't do any of the thousands of other things he's done with his beam.

Also, as Dizzle pointed out, my attacks aren't force beams.

Webbing and/or shields blocking my sword, here's that picture of Vanth shattering an energy shield. For a little more context, the guy he's pummelling there it the Big Bad of the first three years of Dreadstar's comic. He's the Pope/Emperor of his entire galaxy. He disintigrates entire mobs with but a look, and hiis shields are far better than Cap/TM's energy shield and Vanth pierces it easily.

Originally posted by jinzin
again you're arguing over something that was well established when we started this whole debate.. it's not my fault that I picked a great character for my boy... well i guess it is... but hid durability and strength are something that have both been very well documented.. I took a hit in the strength department... my so called impossible feats of durability are something that venom does on a CONSISTENT/REGULAR basis....

so by admitting to the "i don't like it, it didn't happen" argument... you've just negated over half of venom's career... which is total and utter bull, sorry to say but everyone knew.. or SHOULD know what venom's capable of doing... now that YOU know and it doesn't suit your argument you're trying to debate against my character's durability... nu-uh...ain't gonna happen... he regularly does this stuff and he consistently stands up to the punishment... sorry if that doesn't suit your argument but then again..that's kind of the point...

Man, I was joking, at my own expense no less. See the laughing smiley?

Again though, Cage is the limit on durability. Venom's various feats beyond that level are to be ignored for the purposes of this debate.