Originally posted by long pigWhen did Prof X do this? [/B][/QUOTE] X-Men 90 "Eve of Destruction"
[QUOTE=5045151]Originally posted by wannabe
[B]...and bypassed Galactus's mental defences to show him the pain of a whole people about to die at his hands
Btw...he did something similar (also without Kick and Cerebra) to Ego in "Maximum Security: Dangerous Planet 1". From a Moon of the (Shiar?-) planet Selandiaris he reaches to the planets whole people and assembles their combined psychic energy to wield it through him and Zscann, a skrull telepath, into Egos core.
Take these shown feats, the beating of Dark Phoenix and his expressed potential as Onslaught(the telepathic aspect), combine that with an amplification through Kick and/or Cerebra and you get a more than worthy match for the DC telepaths.
I don't know if he could take them all at once, these "one against a team" scenarios are too variable to calculate, but at least show some respect for Charles and give him the credit he deserves...don't ignore his power just because he has too strong principles and practices too much restraint to show it on a daily basis like most other uber teeps!!!
clap GO CHARLY GO clap professorx
yeah and you act like MM and Fate don't show extreme principles and restraint. Did you ever read when MM went evil he absolutely murdered the JLA with little effort. and Fate who is better than MM powerwise. MM faced some heavenly shadow guy and won. I also think that MM is also underrated. He is someone who could take over the entire world if he wanted. and especially now he has no real fire weakness. He knows all Xavier knows and all of the telepathic knowlegde of the Martians, a race who spent their lives mastering telepathy. and add everyone else to that and even with Cerebra and a kick Xavier is going down. HARD.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalIt was not at all my intention to attack DC telepaths or to discredit them in any way, and when you read my post without having competition in mind, you will see this.
yeah and you act like MM and Fate don't show extreme principles and restraint. Did you ever read when MM went evil he absolutely murdered the JLA with little effort. and Fate who is better than MM powerwise. MM faced some heavenly shadow guy and won. I also think that MM is also underrated. He is someone who could take over the entire world if he wanted. and especially now he has no real fire weakness. He knows all Xavier knows and all of the telepathic knowlegde of the Martians, a race who spent their lives mastering telepathy. and add everyone else to that and even with Cerebra and a kick Xavier is going down. HARD.
Originally posted by wannabeWell I can agree with that, and what you said before... but these guys thinking Xavier is powerful enough to take on an entire universes psi's are nuts.
It was not at all my intention to attack DC telepaths or to discredit them in any way, and when you read my post without having competition in mind, you will see this.
MM and Fate are awful mighty psychics who have also strong principles, there is no way of denying that.
But unlike Xavier they are more traditional heroes, fighting where they are needed, which gives them a higher profile and the chance to show impressive feats on a nearly daily basis.
Xavier on the other hand is more a mentor and teacher than a fighter and rarely uses his talents openly. Thats why people in this forum tend to forget his capabilities...and i just tried to bring those to their minds again!
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Xavier can engage any one of DCs TPs and more than hold his own. The vast majority would probably go down in seconds, while 3 or 4 might be able to engage him in serious psychic warfare. So if Xavier is facing all of them, then I'd say no. With Cerebra, Xavier has virtually no limit. He can keep the heavy hitters at bay while he overcomes the weaker minds and uses them to his advantage.
It's a clean sweep for Charles IMO.
Originally posted by Cosmic FlameMM can touch the minds of all on the planet.. He's the last of the Green martians, however, there's an entire race of White Ones that are close in power. Darkseid, Manchester Black proved time and time he was a mental force to be reckoned with, but he killed himself before he added too much to his feats, but what he DID in his short time was impressive. But he's so powerful that his consciousness is able to tap into our reality and take over other people.. including telepaths...Aquaman has mental dominion over any Earth creature, by tapping into a dormant promordial part of the brain.. because Humans came from the sea. And now it's even augmented by magic too.On and on, millions of telepaths.. this is one man versus a universe, it's impossible odds. You can respect Chuck, but if anyone thinks he's dominating an entire universe they're clearly daft.
Xavier can engage any one of DCs TPs and more than hold his own. The vast majority would probably go down in seconds, while 3 or 4 might be able to engage him in serious psychic warfare. So if Xavier is facing all of them, then I'd say no. With Cerebra, Xavier has virtually no limit. He can keep the heavy hitters at bay while he overcomes the weaker minds and uses them to his advantage.
It's a clean sweep for Charles IMO.
MM basically inherited his TP. Charles learned the art of psychic warfare on his own. With Cerebra boosting his abilities to near infinite levels, the feats of the others aren't really going to matter much. They certainly aren't going to get past his psi shields, which would also be improved exponentially.
It doesn't matter whether it's an entire universe or not. What matters is the TPs of merit and power, and there just aren't that many. You can throw in thousands upon thousands of mediocre and inferior telepaths, but they'd fall rather quickly. They wouldn't be able to stand a psi blast from Xavier at that level of power. The remaining contingent TPs, probably 20 or so, would still eventually fall.
Millions or telepaths? Exaggerate much. Marvel Universe which is psionic-heavy probably doesn't even claim millions. Besides it isn't clear whether the thread starter meant any and every nameless faceless DC telepath you can think of all at the same time or just the main ones e.g. MM, Manchester Black etc but that's just imo.
The reason I give the advantage to Chuck is because of Onslaught. The way I see it, Onslaught was what Xaiver could become if he had Magneto's drive and ambition, mixed in with a little crazy for good measure. While he did get magneto's powers, as he was a pure psonic being I see him getting most of his abilities from Xaiver (i.e. psi-armor, telepathy, & psychokinesis). I think Xaiver could do all of this but holds himself back and a fight to the death could bring it out. Now add in kick and cerebra and you have a force that might take a universe of telepaths to stop. Anyway that just my pet theory on Onslaught.
[by the way, why are so many telepaths bald?]
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIt said DC's telepaths versus Xavier right? It doesn't say one by one in a line... They're going to squash him.. and yes, considering many of the higher tier characters have telepathic ability, whether or not it's primary, such as Guardians, Darkseid, etc, and entire races, such as the white martians.
Millions or telepaths? Exaggerate much. Marvel Earth which is psionic-heavy probably doesn't even millions. Besides it isn't clear whether the thread starter meant any and every DC telepath you can think of all at the same time, but that's just imo.
Not to mention that most DC TPs rely on other abilities as well. There are very few that are primarily TPs. TP is like a bonus for some, not their primary means of combat. The vast majority, no matter the number, would fall easily under Xavier with Cerebra. The rest might give him a run for his money, but I firmly believe that he'll prevail.
I reckon I'm as daft as they come.
Originally posted by TheKahnRead the JLA series that had THE BURNING. Martian Manhunter when he taps into his deepest wells of power unlocks his true being, the world conquering BURNING.
The reason I give the advantage to Chuck is because of Onslaught. The way I see it, Onslaught was what Xaiver could become if he had Magneto's drive and ambition, mixed in with a little crazy for good measure. While he did get magneto's powers, as he was a pure psonic being I see him getting most of his abilities from Xaiver (i.e. psi-armor, telepathy, & psychokinesis). I think Xaiver could do all of this but holds himself back and a fight to the death could bring it out. Now add in kick and cerebra and you have a force that might take a universe of telepaths to stop. Anyway that just my pet theory on Onslaught.[by the way, why are so many telepaths bald?]
Originally posted by Cosmic FlameContradiction, you already said against all of them...no. In your original post.
Not to mention that most DC TPs rely on other abilities as well. There are very few that are primarily TPs. TP is like a bonus for some, not their primary means of combat. The vast majority, no matter the number, would fall easily under Xavier with Cerebra. The rest might give him a run for his money, but I firmly believe that he'll prevail.I reckon I'm as daft as they come.
Originally posted by Cosmic FlameWhat's this?:
When I said what? What's a contradiction? The word universe isn't used at all in my first post.Explain to me what they are going to do to him, as his psi shields will be even more impenetrable than they already are.
So if Xavier is facing all of them, then I'd say no.??
This is also you, but a couple posts later:
The vast majority, no matter the number, would fall easily under Xavier with Cerebra. The rest might give him a run for his money, but I firmly believe that he'll prevail.
What's the deal?