Originally posted by PVS
you continue to use this weak and flawed mentallity.think about it. "settlers" are INVADERS. by your logic, we can say that nazis didnt invade poland, they simply 'settled' there. funny how terminology and definition change, depending on who is marching on someone else's land and planting a flag 😬
How do you think a specific culture grows.......according to you they invade...... growth of a society is inevitable so in your world everyone invades and history is filled with invaders........if you didn't accept the culture you had a choice to move holocaust victims were rounded up
Indians went to war with the "invaders" and allied with the British yeah so they defended their territory and lost move on now.......a defeated culture
Originally posted by Fishy
Well if thats the case then you are saying that what Germany did was right, afterall they invaded... And everybody fought back against them, people of all races and cultures, so the nazi's were the good guys... According to your logic...
thanks for adding finality to my point ✅
and thats where his warped logic comes around full circle and bites him in the ass. so i guess it was ok for nazis to commit genocide outside germany's original boarders, just not within? 😕
oh please humor us
Originally posted by soleran30
I certainly am not trying to put Bicnarok on the spot just that I pointed out the American Indians went to WAR with the Settlers.
You just don't get it do you?
Originally posted by soleran30
Americans didn't just integrate them into our society and then butcher them, mostly we wanted to stay away from them........
No, Americans took their land, massacred them and tried to starve them. READ A FRICKEN BOOK!
Originally posted by soleran30
My point somply regarding the last piece of his post Indians were invaded and lost over a LONG period of time compared to holocaust what 100-150 years probably even longer
Each nation that was subjugated or annihilated was a different group of people. Get it?
Originally posted by soleran30
How do you think a specific culture grows.......according to you they invade...... growth of a society is inevitable so in your world everyone invades and history is filled with invaders........if you didn't accept the culture you had a choice to move holocaust victims were rounded upIndians went to war with the "invaders" and allied with the British yeah so they defended their territory and lost move on now.......a defeated culture
So, again, you're arguing with Whirly, in that there is no such thing as truely right and truely wrong?
Originally posted by PVS
thanks for adding finality to my point ✅and thats where his warped logic comes around full circle and bites him in the ass. so i guess it was ok for nazis to commit genocide outside germany's original boarders, just not within? 😕
oh please humor us
They killed plenty of people outside their borders too...
Originally posted by PVS
thanks for adding finality to my point ✅and thats where his warped logic comes around full circle and bites him in the ass. so i guess it was ok for nazis to commit genocide outside germany's original boarders, just not within? 😕
oh please humor us
Please PVS since its in your infinite capabilities of logic tell me where logic and war come together?
KharmaDog with your supreme wisdom of histroy enlighten me to that period of time we are speaking of as to when there was EVER a peaceful integration of 2 radically different cultures trying to control land and expand their culture.......
Originally posted by soleran30
Please PVS since its in your infinite capabilities of logic tell me where logic and war come together?
they dont. there may be logic in defending those who cant defend themselves, but beyond that war and logic are oil and water imho.
btw sarcastic patronising will not win anyone over to believing your double standard logic, nor your improvised history lessons.
Originally posted by soleran30
Please PVS since its in your infinite capabilities of logic tell me where logic and war come together?KharmaDog with your supreme wisdom of histroy enlighten me to that period of time we are speaking of as to when there was EVER a peaceful integration of 2 radically different cultures trying to control land and expand their culture.......
Just one question
Do you think that what the Nazi's did was good or not? Do you think is a difference between what they did and what the US and europe did to Indians? Except for the obvious difference in how it took place? Is one good and the other evil?
Oh man getting into good and evil again......I believe there are ethics and moral issues involved that are driven by political agendas and people looking for ways to pursue their own power.......
and no the agenda does not always do good things for the majority of the people. Neither one of those situations is good they just took place with different political agendas in mind and how to pursue them for the group in power.
Originally posted by soleran30
KharmaDog with your supreme wisdom of histroy enlighten me to that period of time we are speaking of as to when there was EVER a peaceful integration of 2 radically different cultures trying to control land and expand their culture.......
Getting a little testy aren't you. And don't change the arguement. Nor have I ever made the statement, regarding the peaceful integration of cultures.
You have made statements and points that are false, I have countered them and asked you to explain further.
You made blanket statements about Caesars policies regarding foriegn policies. You compared early american policies to that of ancient dynasties of Egypt and the despotic rule of the Khans. You made false statement as to the warfare practices of american indiginous nations. You have inferred that the aboriginal nations of north america were looking for a fight and got what they deserved then faulted them for fighting back.
Stop trying to put words in my mouth, and maybe do a better job defending the ones that come out of yours.
Originally posted by soleran30
when there was EVER a peaceful integration of 2 radically different cultures trying to control land and expand their culture.......
Um, Native Americans had no concept of "contolling" their lands, nor did they have any desire to expand their culture. Native Americans lived in harmony with the land...and that is why they were content with their culture.
Originally posted by soleran30
The context you place with some words......Kharma to say I am wrong is one thing then prove it just don't tell me........SHOW ME
What a wussy cop out. It is not up to me to educate you, that is your own responsibility. Fir starters read Suetonius's 12 Caesars to brush up on that subject. As to the comparison of Egypt and the Khans to america you'll need to take a generally survey course. As for the warfare practices of american indiginous nations. There are also many books written on the various tribes, Thomas Mails' "Warriors of the Plains" is a good start.
You have not answered a single critiscm, just dodged the points others have made and tried to change the subject or the pretense of your arguement.
Actually a Wussy cop out is just saying your wrong. No suporting details other then your associations suck for this culture in the same time period but this culture ok. No one has done anything to prove their point other then to say .........that's a bad association.......or your history sucks.......or you don't know anything.........
The reality is you may HATE my conversation about this but there comes a time you have to justify your argument rather then pick someone elses apart without your own facts............