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Yeah it could be..
Its just impossible to really defend Revan in any VS thread... Everything is based on an assumption and those are thrown away to easily sometimes and taken to serious at other times. I won't do it anymore, I just don't feel like it. At least not right now. So in this case I will just say Revan wins because I think he or she wins based on a lot of assumptions you can all throw away if you want.
well here is my huge Ulic post Avis:
He was born on the planet of Alderaan, his mother was a respected jedi master. However, he did not go in for jedi training until he was nearly 20. However, before that he applied himself in many physical and mental challenges, always learning more quickly than anyone else did and becoming the best at whatever he did, with no effort.
After becoming an apprentice to Jedi Master Vodo Siosk-Baas, Ulic, along with two other apprentices were sent to the planet of Onderon, to try and tame the dark side there. When on Onderon, they found a planet on the brink of war. The beastriders (people that could control animals) rushed the palace and captured the princess, Ulic and the other two padawans fought their way to the beastriders enclave and discovered that the Onderonians were in-fact the instigators of the conflict. However the dark side was too strong, so Ulic studied from a sith holocron, intent on learning the ways of the sith so that he could infiltrate them and destroy them from the inside. However, like all others who learned the ways of the dark side, Ulic fell to its power. While on Iziz (the capital city of Onderon), Ulic killed the king, who was in-fact possessed by the spirit of Freedon Nadd. When Nadd’s spirit emerged, he could sense Ulic’s power and declared that Ulic would be one of the greatest sith that the galaxy had ever seen. Then Ulic was given a sith amulet by Aleema Keto (the same sort of amulet that Exar Kun wore, it increased his power by a large amount), he then studied the dark side of the force under Aleema (who was a powerful darksider and had all the knowledge that Freedon Nadd possessed, his holocron, scrolls etc). However, Mandalore, ruler of the Mandalorians refused to bow down to Ulic and Aleema, Ulic went and defeated Mandalore, after this Mandalore pledged himself, and his troops to Ulic.
Ulic got so strong that Exar Kun was able to sense his presence across the galaxy. Exar tracked Ulic down; knowing that Ulic was the only person strong enough to defeat him. A furious duel occurred, with neither opponent gaining an advantage; he duelled Exar Kun to a standstill, when the sith amulets that both of them wore activated and the spirit of Marka Ragnos appeared. He declared Exar to be the master and Ulic to be his apprentice. Marka then said that the two of them together would bring about the return of the golden age of the sith.
However, Ulic became arrogant and decided to attack Coruscant before Exar decided it was time. Ulic was winning the battle when a subordinate betrayed him. After being captured by the Republic, Ulic was put on trial before the senate, however Ulic was defiant and told them that they would all die, these are his words: “You are puppets of tradition pretending to be important. The coming Golden Age has no place for you. Your Republic is an empty self-indulgent diversion... signifying nothing. The lost glory of the Sith will turn all of your supposed accomplishments to dust.” His confidence was rewarded as Exar soon came and freed him, while Exar duelled with his old master; Ulic proceeded to slaughter the senate.
After being freed by Exar, the two sith lords decided to go the jedi world of Ossus. The two sith went to Ossus undetected and stole ancient and powerful artefacts, scrolls and holocrons from the jedi, and the jedi were unaware of it happening. Very impressive since there were thousands of jedi knights and masters on the world. However, Exar blew up the sun of that world, alerting the jedi to the sith lords presence. Ulic and Exar got seperated, and Ulic was cornered by Cay Qel-Droma (his brother) and Nomi Sunrider, after a furious duel, Ulic killed his brother. After killing his brother, Nomi Sunrider removed his connection to the force, but she could only do that because Ulic was distracted, weakened and shaken by the fact that he killed his brother. After this, Ulic fled and went into exile for the next twenty years. However, he was to resurface on the galactic stage.
Even though he had lost his connection to the force, Nomi Sunrider’s daughter, Vima, sought Ulic out to train her, even though her mother was the most powerful jedi in the order and could train her or could get anyone else to train her, she chose Ulic. The two of them crafted new lightsabers, which is very impressive since Ulic was able to create a lightsaber without using the force. Since the jedi use the force to guide the crystals into alignment with each other, this is an impressive feat. After a while, Ulic agreed and started to train her, however, he was tracked down again by Nomi Sunrider and another jedi, a Cathar named Sylvar. Sylvar was a powerful jedi knight and had trained with Exar when he was still a jedi, she actually managed to wound Exar while they were training, that is how he got the three scars across his face (oh and Exar and Sylvar were the same age, it was not a knight beating up on a padawan). Later she fought against Exar and Ulic in the war, so she was powerful and had loads of experience (imagine someone like Juhani, but twice as strong and you get Sylvar). She had also continued to train during the 20 years Ulic was in exile. She came to hunt Ulic down and kill him, drawing her lightsaber, she tried to kill him, yet even without the force (which is what the jedi use to control and guide their weapon), Ulic was able to defeat a very powerful, experienced jedi master. After disarming her, Ulic turned to talk to Nomi, it was then that he was shot in the back by the pilot that brought Sylvar and Nomi to see him. Even though he had no connection to the force, he still disappeared, becoming one with it. Also, of great interest is what Nomi Sunrider said when she saw him disappear into the force, she said that only jedi masters could do that, meaning the Ulic had become a master before he died.
Four thousand years after his death, his spirit encountered Anakin Skywalker, who was on his quest to destroy the Dark Reaper, Ulic taught Anakin much, as well as warning him to follow the light. This is very impressive since spirits get weaker the longer they are around, and Ulic’s spirit was able to stay around for over 4000 years. So Ulic had incredible power, nearly equal to that of the great Exar Kun.
Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
well here is my huge Ulic post Avis:He was born on the planet of Alderaan, his mother was a respected jedi master. However, he did not go in for jedi training until he was nearly 20. However, before that he applied himself in many physical and mental challenges, always learning more quickly than anyone else did and becoming the best at whatever he did, with no effort.
After becoming an apprentice to Jedi Master Vodo Siosk-Baas, Ulic, along with two other apprentices were sent to the planet of Onderon, to try and tame the dark side there. When on Onderon, they found a planet on the brink of war. The beastriders (people that could control animals) rushed the palace and captured the princess, Ulic and the other two padawans fought their way to the beastriders enclave and discovered that the Onderonians were in-fact the instigators of the conflict. However the dark side was too strong, so Ulic studied from a sith holocron, intent on learning the ways of the sith so that he could infiltrate them and destroy them from the inside. However, like all others who learned the ways of the dark side, Ulic fell to its power. While on Iziz (the capital city of Onderon), Ulic killed the king, who was in-fact possessed by the spirit of Freedon Nadd. When Nadd’s spirit emerged, he could sense Ulic’s power and declared that Ulic would be one of the greatest sith that the galaxy had ever seen. Then Ulic was given a sith amulet by Aleema Keto (the same sort of amulet that Exar Kun wore, it increased his power by a large amount), he then studied the dark side of the force under Aleema (who was a powerful darksider and had all the knowledge that Freedon Nadd possessed, his holocron, scrolls etc). However, Mandalore, ruler of the Mandalorians refused to bow down to Ulic and Aleema, Ulic went and defeated Mandalore, after this Mandalore pledged himself, and his troops to Ulic.
Ulic got so strong that Exar Kun was able to sense his presence across the galaxy. Exar tracked Ulic down; knowing that Ulic was the only person strong enough to defeat him. A furious duel occurred, with neither opponent gaining an advantage; he duelled Exar Kun to a standstill, when the sith amulets that both of them wore activated and the spirit of Marka Ragnos appeared. He declared Exar to be the master and Ulic to be his apprentice. Marka then said that the two of them together would bring about the return of the golden age of the sith.
However, Ulic became arrogant and decided to attack Coruscant before Exar decided it was time. Ulic was winning the battle when a subordinate betrayed him. After being captured by the Republic, Ulic was put on trial before the senate, however Ulic was defiant and told them that they would all die, these are his words: “You are puppets of tradition pretending to be important. The coming Golden Age has no place for you. Your Republic is an empty self-indulgent diversion... signifying nothing. The lost glory of the Sith will turn all of your supposed accomplishments to dust.” His confidence was rewarded as Exar soon came and freed him, while Exar duelled with his old master; Ulic proceeded to slaughter the senate.
After being freed by Exar, the two sith lords decided to go the jedi world of Ossus. The two sith went to Ossus undetected and stole ancient and powerful artefacts, scrolls and holocrons from the jedi, and the jedi were unaware of it happening. Very impressive since there were thousands of jedi knights and masters on the world. However, Exar blew up the sun of that world, alerting the jedi to the sith lords presence. Ulic and Exar got seperated, and Ulic was cornered by Cay Qel-Droma (his brother) and Nomi Sunrider, after a furious duel, Ulic killed his brother. After killing his brother, Nomi Sunrider removed his connection to the force, but she could only do that because Ulic was distracted, weakened and shaken by the fact that he killed his brother. After this, Ulic fled and went into exile for the next twenty years. However, he was to resurface on the galactic stage.
Even though he had lost his connection to the force, Nomi Sunrider’s daughter, Vima, sought Ulic out to train her, even though her mother was the most powerful jedi in the order and could train her or could get anyone else to train her, she chose Ulic. The two of them crafted new lightsabers, which is very impressive since Ulic was able to create a lightsaber without using the force. Since the jedi use the force to guide the crystals into alignment with each other, this is an impressive feat. After a while, Ulic agreed and started to train her, however, he was tracked down again by Nomi Sunrider and another jedi, a Cathar named Sylvar. Sylvar was a powerful jedi knight and had trained with Exar when he was still a jedi, she actually managed to wound Exar while they were training, that is how he got the three scars across his face (oh and Exar and Sylvar were the same age, it was not a knight beating up on a padawan). Later she fought against Exar and Ulic in the war, so she was powerful and had loads of experience (imagine someone like Juhani, but twice as strong and you get Sylvar). She had also continued to train during the 20 years Ulic was in exile. She came to hunt Ulic down and kill him, drawing her lightsaber, she tried to kill him, yet even without the force (which is what the jedi use to control and guide their weapon), Ulic was able to defeat a very powerful, experienced jedi master. After disarming her, Ulic turned to talk to Nomi, it was then that he was shot in the back by the pilot that brought Sylvar and Nomi to see him. Even though he had no connection to the force, he still disappeared, becoming one with it. Also, of great interest is what Nomi Sunrider said when she saw him disappear into the force, she said that only jedi masters could do that, meaning the Ulic had become a master before he died.
Four thousand years after his death, his spirit encountered Anakin Skywalker, who was on his quest to destroy the Dark Reaper, Ulic taught Anakin much, as well as warning him to follow the light. This is very impressive since spirits get weaker the longer they are around, and Ulic’s spirit was able to stay around for over 4000 years. So Ulic had incredible power, nearly equal to that of the great Exar Kun.
Hey Darkstar do you keep a word file with this or somthing? 😛
Revan threads are horribly controversial. Actually, nowadays it seems like a thread is either too off-stream to consider or there's some fanboy or pro-person A who will argue until they'll blue in the face over something. Take the ROTJ Luke versus TPM Obi-Wan thread. Luke supporters don't have a leg to stand on, yet they believe Luke will win. ONe of them even went os far as to tell me we can't rely on OT battles because of limited eighties choreographyand that instead we should entertain the possibility that Luke is better than we physically saw him.
Not necessarily pissed, but lets look at the thing here...
If i'm going into a debate about this, I will have to face Darkstar Janus possibly Nai Fohl and with some extra bad luck Faunus... Who will all be supporting Ulic. Now what will I have except for assumptions to argue with? Nothing. Can these convince them? No. So whats the point in debating? There isn't any. Its been done a thousand times already, we all know how it will, with people agreeing to disagree. Thats how threads with Revan will almost always end.
and now here is a Revan post (this is taken from Emperor Revan):
Revan was always powerful. Even as a padawan, his teachers were sure that he would become a champion of the Force. His master Kreia said "Revan was power. Staring into his eyes was like staring into the heart of the Force.” Revan had a lust for knowledge, seeking out every piece of information he could about the Jedi.
Later, Revan discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge (Malachor V). Only Revan’s immensely strong will kept him from immediately falling to the dark side. Revan plundered these tombs and relics, learning of the location and true nature of Korriban. He learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings. Malachor V fueled Revan’s tremendous dark side power, making him even stronger. Revan was a brilliant military strategist, and 1/3 of the Republic’s army was under Revan’s direct command. It was only because of him that the Republic defeated the Mandalorians. Somewhere around this time, Revan killed Mandalore and Yusanis, the most famous Echani warrior (and the handmaiden’s father.)
Revan then located the Star Forge and was powerful enough to control it without being consumed. Revan soon turned on the Republic and nearly conquered the galaxy. Countless Jedi knights fell in battle and many more swore allegiance to the new Dark Lord of the Sith. For two years the Sith were all but invincible. Only Bastila’s Battle meditation kept the Sith from total triumph.
Darth Revan then lost his memories and his connection to the Force when Darth Malak betrayed him and fired upon his ship. 1 year later, with relatively little Jedi training, Revan returned to Korriban and plundered the tombs of Marka Ragnos, Ajunta Pall, Tulak Hord, and Naga Sadow, gaining new Sith artifacts and fueling his new power even further. Revan even destroyed Ajunta Pall’s spirit.
Upon (if) returning to the dark side, Revan traveled to the Star Forge, fighting his way through dozens of dark Jedi to find his ex-apprentice Darth Malak. At this point, Revan’s power was even greater than when he was the Dark Lord of the Sith during his first reign. Malak didn’t even think it was possible for him to have gotten stronger since his first reign, but he was. Revan then killed Malak and retook control of the Star Forge, wiping out the Republic and nearly exterminating the last of the Jedi.
Soon after, Revan recovered his memories and all the knowledge he plundered while on Malachor V, enhancing his power even further. Darth Revan returned to Malachor V before heading into the unknown regions to fight the ancient Sith species. Charismatic and powerful, we still have yet to see Darth Revan’s full abilities since he was never defeated.
There, now that we have most of the info that any of us here knows on these two, we should be able to debate.
Actually, if anyone needs, I have have this same sort of info on Exar, Marka, Naga, Kreia/Traya, NJO Luke and Lord Hoth.
I am also making one up for Anakin Solo and can easily make one up for different characters if somebody wants.
If anyone wants the info that I have on the above mentioned characters, just PM me and if someone has a request for info that they want done, also please just PM me. Thanks