Ulic vs Revan

i think exar kun is great but there's just no way he can have a higher force defense than yoda and marka ragnos, yoda maybe but no way above ragnos.

another thing could be was when was the time taken of ragnos, perhaps these stats were made up just when he took the mantle of dark lord of the sith? and in that time his skills must've grown considerably, which they already were significant.

anyhow everyone i'll make a post tomorrow, just gettin late and i'll have the stats of dooku, sids, mech-vader, sadow, kressh, bane, mace, yoda, obi wan etc.

Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
yeah I wouldn't put to much stock in the game stats, I just put them in for Marka because I thought it showed a rough idea of the power that the Lucas sanctioned people thought he had. I wouldn't base an arguement just on that though, some of them just do not make sense (Exar being that much better than Ulic, yet having a hard time beating him etc.)

About Kreia, well the reason I said that it was her instakill move was because we see the sith assassins reveal themselves, then the screen goes black. When it comes back however, you see that they fall dead, in the exact same place that they revealed themselves, so they all died instantly, now we don't know if she just flashed them or did her instakill, but we do know that they did die instantly without moving. So that is why I said that she likely did her instakill, however, you are right, there is no proof of that

Damn...

Well okay, if the screen goes black it changes nothing. She could have just knocked them out with the force. Or crushed their bones... To bad..

Originally posted by Darth Abominus
i think exar kun is great but there's just no way he can have a higher force defense than yoda and marka ragnos, yoda maybe but no way above ragnos.

another thing could be was when was the time taken of ragnos, perhaps these stats were made up just when he took the mantle of dark lord of the sith? and in that time his skills must've grown considerably, which they already were significant.

anyhow everyone i'll make a post tomorrow, just gettin late and i'll have the stats of dooku, sids, mech-vader, sadow, kressh, bane, mace, yoda, obi wan etc.

Originally posted by Darth Avis
2 things
1 where do these stats come from? KOTOR?
2 please do posts the stats here when you get the chance.

bump

Originally posted by Illustrious
I personally think Ragnos would outclass Kun, but it's not out of the question.

Well...I said the game stats suck because if you use them the PT characters would develop into threats for the Ancient Sith Lords.

Dooku (beginning of Episode II):

Jedi Guardian 15 / Sith Lord 3 (he's higher level than Kun !)
str 12, dex 14, con 13, int 16, wis 15, cha 16

force skills:
affect mind 12
battlemind 14
empathy 6
enchance ability 8
force defence 15
force grip 9
force lightning 9
force stealth 7
force strike 14
heal self 5
move object 11
see force 6

feats:
combat expertise, combat reflexes, exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), force-sensitive, improved initiative, iron will, persuasive, weapon focus (lightsaber), weapon group proficiency (blasters), weapon group proficiency (simple weapons)

force feats:
alter, attuned, control, force mastery, force whirlwind, knight defence, lightsaber defence, master defense, mettle, sense

Or...just to throw the heavy-hitter in

Yoda
Jedi Consular 20
str 8, dex 12, con 14, int 14, wis 19, cha 17

force skills:
affect mind 25
empathy 25
farseeing 27
force defence 17
heal another 10
heal self 20
move object 20
see force 24

(lmao !)

feats:
exotic weapon proficiency (lightsaber), force-sensitive, skill emphasis (Empathy), skill emphasis (Farseeing), weapon focus (lightsaber), weapon group proficiency (blaster pistols), weapon group proficiency (simple weapons).

force feats:
alter, burst of speed, control, deflect blasters, dissipate energy, force mastery, force mind, lightsaber defense, sense.

The problems with WotC d20 systems are:
a) system is capped at level 20 - I would doubt that Mace receives 14 times the exp of Yoda per year of lifetime...
b) it doesn't feature all force powers displayed in the comics / movies
c) character gain special abilities through level...
d) the WotC stats simply contradict the impression you get from many SW characters...