Carnage vs Storm

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Excuse me?:

In his armored form Colossus is highly resistant to most forms of bodily harm. His armor is capable of withstanding ballistic penetration, including that of a 110 millimeter Howitzer shell. He could survive a collision with a loaded, one-ton flatbed truck at 100 miles per hour or an explosion of 450 pounds of TNT. He can survive extremes of temperature from 70 degrees above absolute zero (-390 degrees Fahrenheit) to approximately 9000 Fahrenheit. However, it is theorized that above the latter temperature, his armored form would begin to melt. Colossus's armored form cannot rust under normal Earth conditions.

No it is not a part of his powers. Somewhere along the line you must have misinterpreted but Colossus is not immune to electricity. Please dont make post scans of the battle scenes im talking about. Storms lightning can and has hurt colossus. I have every issue of uncanny xmen from 1975 up till present im unaware of it ever being stated that he was completely immune to electricity. I believe that is an assumption of yours based on his form being metallic especially in light of the various occassions where electricity has indeed hurt colossus.

At will, Peter Rasputin can convert his body into organic steel, making nearly impervious to injury. He can survive an explosion of of more than 400lbs of TNT unharmed, and he can withstand heat of up to 12,000 degrees Fahrenheit! It is believed that above this temperature his armored body might begin to melt!

I never made the power up at all. He is immune to electricity. I have never seen him in pain from electricity in the slightest. It is indeed part of his power.

Let me see if I can explain it to you. He is a conductor. With no fleshy parts in which to damage. The electricity just passes right through him. And he comes out unharmed in the slightest. Hell, if anything, he might just be shocked (no pun intended) that he was struck with a lightning bolt.

Please. I hope you will post some scans. I'd love to see how Storm's lightning is harming Colossus. It certainly isn't through the electricity.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

In fact, I think that may give Carnage somewhat of an advantage.

What? A wet hand?

Originally posted by Comic Book
yeah, you for example.

And you're the one that has posted information relating to the combatants powers. . .

Oh wait. . . 😄

Is he immune to being drowned? Anyone who can whip up hurricanes can easily drown a target ...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What? A wet hand?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
At will, Peter Rasputin can convert his body into organic steel, making nearly impervious to injury. He can survive an explosion of of more than 400lbs of TNT unharmed, and he can withstand heat of up to 12,000 degrees Fahrenheit! It is believed that above this temperature his armored body might begin to melt!

Metalmanx that is verging on fanboyism. You've merely changed the figure in the paragraph i posted from a trusted source. 9000 degrees fahrenheit is the figure. Where you got 12, 000 from i really dont know:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/colossus.htm

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never made the power up at all. He is immune to electricity. I have never seen him in pain from electricity in the slightest. It is indeed part of his power.

So because you havent seen him in pain from electricity means that he's invulnerable to it. You have people here telling you that its happened in comics but you're dismissing because of your love for the character? Thats ridiculous. When Storm turned against the X-men after being trapped in chrome form by Doom she flipped and took out a Doombot. Her lightning was naturally attracted to Cols metal form and he screamed out in pain. He said he could nt approach her because as he got nearer to her the intensity increased and it was too painful. He tried to reason with her he got a bolt in the face and got his ass shot across Castle Doom. End of.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Let me see if I can explain it to you. He is a conductor. With no fleshy parts in which to damage. The electricity just passes right through him. And he comes out unharmed in the slightest. Hell, if anything, he might just be shocked (no pun intended) that he was struck with a lightning bolt.

Heres where youre going wrong. Did you not properly read my last post? This is a comic book with people who can turn into dragons , women who can control the weather, people who can fly across the universe. Real world science does NOT apply. You cannot dismiss the events of a comic book that features people of such ability because it doesnt fit in with real world science. Youre being absurd. You dont need to explain to me about metal and conductivity. The fact of the matter is that that is completely irrelevant in the face of on panel events. Theres no debating that.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Please. I hope you will post some scans. I'd love to see how Storm's lightning is harming Colossus. It certainly isn't through the electricity.

Cool i'll post the scans no problem. No hard feelings when i prove you wrong ok?

Storm blows carnage into the stratosphere, uses the hail effect to encase him in ice, and then blows him to the arctic circle. He's incapacitated, being frozen in ice.

Storm lifts him in the air and spins him around disorienting him and turns him into the center of a lightning sphere.

Storm blows him to a far away island. He being unable to return loses.

Take your pick. What are carnages options? Stab her?

When you fight Storm you are also fighting your environment.

Heres the first one MetalManx. Please make note of his melting point:

The others will be posted over the next few hours

It's not the electricity hurting him per se, Metalman, it's the heat it creates.

And when was that scan from? Did it come with a KISS cassette and a VHS of Miami Vice?

Any comments MetalManx? You could at least own up to being incorrect. Especially after the tone you took in your posts.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Metalmanx that is verging on fanboyism. You've merely changed the figure in the paragraph i posted from a trusted source. 9000 degrees fahrenheit is the figure. Where you got 12, 000 from i really dont know:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/colossus.htm

So because you havent seen him in pain from electricity means that he's invulnerable to it. You have people here telling you that its happened in comics but you're dismissing because of your love for the character? Thats ridiculous. When Storm turned against the X-men after being trapped in chrome form by Doom she flipped and took out a Doombot. Her lightning was naturally attracted to Cols metal form and he screamed out in pain. He said he could nt approach her because as he got nearer to her the intensity increased and it was too painful. He tried to reason with her he got a bolt in the face and got his ass shot across Castle Doom. End of.

Heres where youre going wrong. Did you not properly read my last post? This is a comic book with people who can turn into dragons , women who can control the weather, people who can fly across the universe. Real world science does NOT apply. You cannot dismiss the events of a comic book that features people of such ability because it doesnt fit in with real world science. Youre being absurd. You dont need to explain to me about metal and conductivity. The fact of the matter is that that is completely irrelevant in the face of on panel events. Theres no debating that.

Cool i'll post the scans no problem. No hard feelings when i prove you wrong ok?

Sorry, went to get some lunch.

And I don't think I'll be owning up to being incorrect just yet. Not as long as I'm right that is.

Hah...I'm on the verge of fanboyism. I didn't just change a few things from your post. I actually went and rewrote it according to X-men: The Ultimate Guide--Updated Edition. Printed...2003. As compared to the Marvel Directory website, which looks to have not been updated since the mid-nineties.

So, apparently we have two different sources. The question is, what is more reliable. The picture I attached is the cover of the updated book I have. Go pick it up and you'll understand our differences.

Judging by the age of those pictures in that image you sent, that was all written some time ago. And you and I both know that stats change over the years. Or have we forgotten Storm's apparent "sun lasers" or "seeing the world through electrical signals" upgrades?

The only reason I applied real world science was to help you understand what I was referring to. I very well could've just left it "it's a a part of his power", but something tells me you would've wanted more.

So here we are again. Your move.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sorry, went to get some lunch.

And I don't think I'll be owning up to being incorrect just yet. Not as long as I'm right that is.

Hah...I'm on the verge of fanboyism. I didn't just change a few things from your post. I actually went and rewrote it according to X-men: The Ultimate Guide--Updated Edition. Printed...2003. As compared to the Marvel Directory website, which looks to have not been updated since the mid-nineties.

So, apparently we have two different sources. The question is, what is more reliable. The picture I attached is the cover of the updated book I have. Go pick it up and you'll understand our differences.

Judging by the age of those pictures in that image you sent, that was all written some time ago. And you and I both know that stats change over the years. Or have we forgotten Storm's apparent "sun lasers" or "seeing the world through electrical signals" upgrades?

The only reason I applied real world science was to help you understand what I was referring to. I very well could've just left it "it's a a part of his power", but something tells me you would've wanted more.

So here we are again. Your move.

Well until you post a scan from this book you own stating that colossus' drability has magically increased (despite there being no mention of it in the comics) then you have been found to be incorrect.

You've merely changed the stats shown me a picture of the front cover of a book and you expect me and everyone here to just believe you? Not good enough. Post a scan which states his improved level of durability and we'll move on.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Any comments MetalManx? You could at least own up to being incorrect. Especially after the tone you took in your posts.

You've been incorrect about lot of things, too.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You've been incorrect about lot of things, too.

Ive corrected you on many an issue when we've been debating as you well know so silence would be a good strategy right now.😛

The difference is when im incorrect i own up to it and move on. Noones perfect.

I have the dorling Kindersley edition from the year before and the figure given is 5000 celsius which is 9000 fahrenheit. Metalmanx it seems to me that youre lying in an effort to support your fave character and that is very low. Just give it up and we'll move on otherwise if you keep this up you'll lose a whole lotta credibility over this. Is it really worth it?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive corrected you on many an issue when we've been debating as you well know so silence would be a good strategy right now.😛

The difference is when im incorrect i own up to it and move on. Noones perfect.

You owe me an apology for making me dig up all those old Namor comics since you didn't believe he had super speed or reflexes. 😛

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Let me see if I can explain it to you. He is a conductor. With no fleshy parts in which to damage. The electricity just passes right through him. And he comes out unharmed in the slightest. Hell, if anything, he might just be shocked (no pun intended) that he was struck with a lightning bolt.

This one is true. During Magneto War he absorbed all the electromagnetic energy overload in Antartic. He was electrocuting Acolytes by only touching them. (He also had enough electricity in him to accidentally knock out Classic Rogue.)

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You owe me an apology for making me dig up all those old Namor comics since you didn't believe he had super speed or reflexes. 😛

I didnt believe so because the bios id read and the appearances id seen didnt say anything about him having enhanced reflexes. I didnt dismiss your claims AFTER you'd shown proof, i then didnt lie about having a book which proved me right and you wrong. Big difference, You digging up stuff to support your arguments is standard conduct on a forum and therefore deserves no apology. 😉

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
This one is true. During Magneto War he absorbed all the electromagnetic energy overload in Antartic. He was electrocuting Acolytes by only touching them. (He also had enough electricity in him to accidentally knock out Classic Rogue.)

Now this is a good example of how memories can be horribly distorted over time. Colossus never absorbed the entire overload of the electromagnetic storm, he never electrocuted the acolytes by touching them and he never discharged electricity taking out Rogue. Refer back to the comic your memory has not served you well.

During the Magneto war colossus found that his metal form attracted stray bolts of electricity from the electromagnetic storm above. Just like a tree does in storms. He found this out when rogue hovered above him and a bolt of electromagnetic energy attracted to his metallic form came down and struck him. It laid them both out but Colossus got up soon after and said he was okay. Bit different to how you made it sound eh DC lol. In battle with the acolytes he reverted to human form and then when an acolyte grabbed him he turned to metal form causing a bolt from the storm above to strike him. The acolyte was taken out and colossus while fazed, was relatively unharmed. What an exaggeration DC. You made it sound as if he had a huge amount of electricity happily coursing around his body with no effect and then he accidentally shot it at Rogue LOL far from the case.

Stray bolts were attracted to his metallic form as would be expected. The difference with his battle with Storm is that after being driven temporarily mad by Doom she was actually out to kill/hurt her team mates. Peter was on the receiving end not of a stray bolt naturally attracted to his armour but a high powered bolt generated by Storm who was specifically out to end his life. BIG difference. That’s why Storms lightning hurt him and why the bolts from the storm during the Magneto War staggered him but left him relatively unharmed.

Therefore while his armour gives him a high resistance to electric attack, he is far from immune to them. Electric force of a high enough potency can hurt him.