Carnage vs Storm

Started by GalacticStorm26 pages

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Exactly. Just saying this you should understand why its hard to believe this would happen in a comic anyways.

This simply isn't a comic book.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you disouting my claims? I'll galadly provide scans tomorrow if need be. It happened in the comics, its happened many a time therefore you must accept it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you are missing the difference between dodging (if I wouldn't have moved, it would have hit me).

Vs missing(I could have stood still and it would have missed), logically you and I know that characters shouldn't sit and dodge machine gun fire, and not on the ground anyways.

Im not failing to see the difference at all. I just fail to see its relevance in this debate. Are you trying to tell me that when Storm dodges something its not a credible feat that can be used to support my claims because the likes of Thor and elite squads arent capable marksman? Cordera thats ridiculous. You are in no position to make that judghement and you are just speculating. Can Storms dodging feats only be regarded as good enough if she's avoiding attacks from Spiderman and the like? Please Cordera listen to what youre saying.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not quite a gun though, they are very versatile and deadly, I gave you analogy to rate of fire.

I understood that. It was hardly complex. By presenting various examples of Storm dodging machine gun/laser fire on many occassion and even Mjolnir being flung at an incredible velocity from Thor i thinks its fair to say she is very capable of flying out of Carnages reach. Especially when she knows of him and his nature.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Carnage has very high precision accuracy and dexterity, precision shoothing should be little problem at 60 ft.

Carnage is a master of a symbiote, which in turn is a master of itself.

Good for him. That doesnt mean you can dismiss Storms dodging feats or the capabilities of her assailants because of your speculation. The fact that we're talking about the likes of Thor and elite squads (trained to target her specific abilities) should leave you in know doubt that she is very capabale of getting out of incredibly difficult situations caused by very capable enemies.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No its not, spiderman has spent decades hitting faster, and far more more powerful things than most any character. Given that carnage is a faster stronger, more merciless and capable character he should hit her fine.

And Storm has spent decades too (neither of them have by comic book time) avoiding assaults from faster and more powerful assailants than Spiderman. It goes both ways CM.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Its not fair to look at one characters history and avoid another,

Exactly. Practice what you preach. (No offence)

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman is the king of plot devices too, he has to worry about civilians and has to be alone with no team.

This is why I like to debate theoretically, because this happens.

I'm not saying she can't dodge it, it just won't be likely.

Spiderman isnt the only character to fall victim to plot devices CM. Dont suggest otherwise. Does anyone recall Storms brick accident? lol. Given that she trains daily and intensively to avoid such assault, given that she has managed to do so many a time across her career it is very likely.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm powers rely on thought, will she know what he's going to do, will she fly foward or backward.

Theyre decisions heroes have to make all the time. Theyre the type of things she thinks about all the time when in battle. Yet shes still pulled through against opponents just as fast if not faster than Carnage. Carnages powers react on hi sthoughts as well. If anything it could be argued that there could be latency. The symbiote reads Cassadys thoughts and acts upon them does it not?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
She doesn't care about killing, not dying.

Its different.

So Carnage is more likely to do something stupid, than Storm? What with the "fine line between bravery and stupidity" and all?

Unless Carnage stood around allowing Storm to get her wits up,she'd be dead before she hit the ground

Carnage took on Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, and Daredevil all at once. And that was after being locked up and starved of man-flesh. He would have murdered them had a certain cheap Superman clone *coughSentrycough* not interrupted...

Originally posted by black robb
Unless Carnage stood around allowing Storm to get her wits up,she'd be dead before she hit the ground

If she played it safe and kept out of range that would not be the case.

We all know that hes very capable of killing her. The question is how effective is her arsenal on him?

How effective would a flash freeze be on him. Has Carnage ever been subjected to intense cold?

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Carnage took on Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, and Daredevil all at once. And that was after being locked up and starved of man-flesh. He would have murdered them had a certain cheap Superman clone *coughSentrycough* not interrupted...

Those people you mentioned would get murdered by Storm.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Those people you mentioned would get murdered by Storm.

Not without putting up a fight at least. Carnage was, at best, annoyed by them...

Bloodlusted Storm wins this for most of the same reasons she beats Spider-Man 10/10. Yeah, I said it: 10/10.

She avoids his projectiles, and with Cis turned off, out to kill mode on She whips up a strong hurricane. . .

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Not without putting up a fight at least. Carnage was, at best, annoyed by them...

Only because of his durability was that the case.

However Storm could debatably overcome his durability plus she could arguably beat the people you mentioned so whats your point?

Carnage is five times stronger than Spider-Man, stronger than Venom, can be ripped in half and survive, can turn himself into massive blades, and eats people for fun. Throw bloodlust into the mix, and you've got a real ***** of a supervillain...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What on earth are you talking about? Are you disouting my claims? I'll galadly provide scans tomorrow if need be. It happened in the comics, its happened many a time therefore you must accept it.

Im not failing to see the difference at all. I just fail to see its relevance in this debate. Are you trying to tell me that when Storm dodges something its not a credible feat that can be used to support my claims because the likes of Thor and elite squads arent capable marksman? Cordera thats ridiculous. You are in no position to make that judghement and you are just speculating. Can Storms dodging feats only be regarded as good enough if she's avoiding attacks from Spiderman and the like? Please Cordera listen to what youre saying.

I understood that. It was hardly complex. By presenting various examples of Storm dodging machine gun/laser fire on many occassion and even Mjolnir being flung at an incredible velocity from Thor i thinks its fair to say she is very capable of flying out of Carnages reach. Especially when she knows of him and his nature.

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Good for him. That doesnt mean you can dismiss Storms dodging feats or the capabilities of her assailants because of your speculation. The fact that we're talking about the likes of Thor and elite squads (trained to target her specific abilities) should leave you in know doubt that she is very capabale of getting out of incredibly difficult situations caused by very capable enemies.

And Storm has spent decades too (neither of them have by comic book time) avoiding assaults from faster and more powerful assailants than Spiderman. It goes both ways CM.

Exactly. Practice what you preach. (No offence)

Spiderman isnt the only character to fall victim to plot devices CM. Dont suggest otherwise. Does anyone recall Storms brick accident? lol. Given that she trains daily and intensively to avoid such assault, given that she has managed to do so many a time across her career it is very likely.

Theyre decisions heroes have to make all the time. Theyre the type of things she thinks about all the time when in battle. Yet shes still pulled through against opponents just as fast if not faster than Carnage. Carnages powers react on hi sthoughts as well. If anything it could be argued that there could be latency. The symbiote reads Cassadys thoughts and acts upon them does it not?

Lets drop this hero thing here, my point wasn't/isn't to say I can use feats and you can't, I was bringing up some to show you how unfair it was to pull from the top, as I can make a list a mile long.

Lets see here, carnage is faster, stronger, more durable, with better reflexes.

People are making storm out to start in the air, using all this godly stuff in the beginning, its frustrating.

Storm isn't fast enough to aviod carnages attacks for too long.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So Carnage is more likely to do something stupid, than Storm? What with the "fine line between bravery and stupidity" and all?

He isn't affected by morale like storm is, fighting to kill isn't something she is as experienced as.

Either way its irrelevant.

Originally posted by Orestes
Bloodlusted Storm wins this for most of the same reasons she beats Spider-Man 10/10. Yeah, I said it: 10/10.
Not 10/10 sorry.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lets drop this hero thing here, my point wasn't/isn't to say I can use feats and you can't, I was bringing up some to show you how unfair it was to pull from the top, as I can make a list a mile long.

Lets see here, carnage is faster, stronger, more durable, with better reflexes.

People are making storm out to fly in the air, using all this godly stuff in the beginning, its frustrating.

Storm isn't fast enough to aviod carnages attacks for too long.

Who says shes going to pull off thsese godly things from the beginning? I certainly havent because i dont agree with that. Ive just focused on arguing that she could very well get out of his range and in to the sky. Now we've more or less cleared that up i can start talking about an offensive. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Who says shes going to pull off thsese godly things from the beginning? I certainly havent because i dont agree with that. Ive just focused on arguing that she could very well get out of his range and in to the sky. Now we've more or less cleared that up i can start talking about an offensive. 😄

If she's out of range, Carnage is out of range. It's not like she can hit something five feet wide from 1000 feet in the sky...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Who says shes going to pull off thsese godly things from the beginning? I certainly havent because i dont agree with that. Ive just focused on arguing that she could very well get out of his range and in to the sky. Now we've more or less cleared that up i can start talking about an offensive. 😄
I sincerely doubt she is getting in the sky, you didn't argue this earlier.

20yds aint that far away.

Its not you i'm tired of people coming in acting like storms in the clouds on each matchup.

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
If she's out of range, Carnage is out of range. It's not like she can hit something five feet wide from 1000 feet in the sky...
Good point, like torch the farther away they are the safer they are, works both ways.

Carnage is more durable but his durability debatably can be overcome by her powers.

Yeah he has better reflexes but that only really matters at the start because once shes in the sky and out of his effective range his reflexes wont matter too much. (From a distance for example she'd have more time to react and defend against any projectiles which do manage to come her way.) Her showings in comics suggest that from 20 metres away she could indeed get out of the way in time and continue to put a good distance between them before turning and acquainting him with mother nature.

As for being faster, he really isnt, more agile maybe but we both know she can traverse distances a whole lot quicker than he can.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Carnage is more durable but his durability debatably can be overcome by her powers.

Yeah he has better reflexes but that only really matters at the start because once shes in the sky and out of his effective range his reflexes wont matter too much. (From a distance for example she'd have more time to react and defend against any projectiles which do manage to come her way.) Her showings in comics suggest that from 20 metres away she could indeed get out of the way in time and continue to put a good distance between them before turning and acquainting him with mother nature.

As for being faster, he really isnt, more agile maybe but we both know she can traverse distances a whole lot quicker than he can.

Alright, if she gets an advantage to her dodging capability because she's farther away, why doesn't Carnage?🤨