Colossus vs. Captain America

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wow. Everybody! Check out the troll who posts in forums and doesn't add a single thing of relevance! He mentioned cookies along with some other "asinine" things he just said! Maybe he likes em, lets give him one!

Oh wait. I'm sorry. Was that a joke you just made? My bads. I was confused by the complete lack of comedy...

BTW, Creshok, Wolverine's claws do not have 800 lbs of weight and the velocity of nearly a hundred mph behind his slashes. They're just sharp. And they don't even scratch Cap's shield either.

And neither does Caps'sheild damage Wolverine's claws.

And yet Wolverine can cut hulk, go figure. . .

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Take a comic book since you've apparently read so damn many. Keep it at eye level with the cover facing the ceiling. Try to touch your eye with the edge. What does it take to do this? A slight change in angle. yes, your bridge nose can block it if it coming from that straight on angle. Come in at a different angle and your nose doesn't stop anything. SO, your argument of the bridgeline of the nose is complete and utter nonsense. Go ahead and feel deflated now. I give you permission.

Second, since when did bulletproof mean anything to Cap? He sliced through a bulletproof Sentinel and a bulletproof Ultron's neck a few posts back, but since you like ignoring scans, I can see why you didn't see them. Its organic steel. Its easier to slice or dent a quarter inch of organic steel then it is to dent 2 feet of it. Or did we magically change physics? An 800 lb shield that is harder than Colossus' own organic steel, thrown by a super soldier like Cap will most likely dent, if not slice out, his eye and probably slice off an ear, which is like 1/6th of an inch in width.

The next thing you'll probably post, is some asinine response about how Cap's shield isn't as hard as Colossus' skin. Yeah well, Gambit shredded Colossus' steel form in X-Men: Omega in AoA and an older Excalibur teammate who could wield energy daggers gutted Colossus. He would have died if he weren't healed. Cap's shield? Nothing but the Infinity Gauntlet and the Beyonder's power have ever done a single thing to it. So what's harder?

Actually, Cap's shield is only 12 lbs. Not 800 lbs.

And no. Cap does not have the power to drive his shield into Colossus hard enough to dent him. And he won't be slicing any sort of pieces off of Colossus.

Especially since Wolverine can't cut him.

When Cap tries to attack, Colussus can either grab him or the shield. Either one would quickly prove to be Cap's inevitable downfall.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Actually, Cap's shield is only 12 lbs. Not 800 lbs.

And no. Cap does not have the power to drive his shield into Colossus hard enough to dent him. And he won't be slicing any sort of pieces off of Colossus.

Especially since Wolverine can't cut him.

When Cap tries to attack, Colussus can either grab him or the shield. Either one would quickly prove to be Cap's inevitable downfall.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wow. Everybody! Check out the troll who posts in forums and doesn't add a single thing of relevance! He mentioned cookies along with some other "asinine" things he just said! Maybe he likes em, lets give him one!

Oh wait. I'm sorry. Was that a joke you just made? My bads. I was confused by the complete lack of comedy...

BTW, Creshok, Wolverine's claws do not have 800 lbs of weight and the velocity of nearly a hundred mph behind his slashes. They're just sharp. And they don't even scratch Cap's shield either.

800 lbs. That's a heavy shield. How does Cap manage to throw it when he lifts a maximum of 800 lbs. It's 12 lbs. Thrown by a peak human and clocked at 100 mph? When?

Originally posted by Creshosk
*points to your sig*

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Heh, what are you laughing about? 😛

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Referring to everyone who disagrees with you as asinine. Cute.

800 lbs. That's a heavy shield. How does Cap manage to throw it when he lifts a maximum of 800 lbs. It's 12 lbs. Clocked at 100 mph? When?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Heh, what are you laughing about? 😛

and yet he's gong to be hurt by something Wolverine couldn't do.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Collosus has survived some extreame punishment, *points to your sig*

and yet he's gong to be hurt by something Wolverine couldn't do.

Ah, yes. Makes sense now.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And neither does Caps'sheild damage Wolverine's claws.

And yet Wolverine can cut hulk, go figure. . .

I don't think so. It's a leap to enter that conclusion. First off, you're ignoring that Colossus' organic steel form has been mangled by attacks before. I'll ignore AoA for your benefit. Which I don't particularly understand, since that Colossus isn't less powerful...

Either way, the former Excalibur teammate Pete Wisdom shredded Colossus' guts in our continuity. Piotr was in full bloodlust mode because Wisdom was sleeping with Kitty Pryde and went nuts. Hell, even Deathbird threw an acid-tipped spear at Colossus and nearly killed him on another instance. Guess its not as durable as Wolvie's adamantium nor Cap's shield eh? And to be honest, if you can get shredded by stuff like that, especially when it involves the muscley sinewy parts of Colossus, I'm pretty sure his eyes and ears and fingers are more vulnerable and could reasonably be lopped off by Captain America's well placed shield throw.

EDIT: Much pardons. Somebody posted his shield was 800 lbs. That is, in fact, incorrect. It is about 12 lbs. And I got the 100 mph from the fact that baseball players can throw balls at over 100 mph. And since Cap is much stronger, and the disc is very aerodynamic, yes,.. I don't think it is a stretch to clock the shield at 100 mph.

A 2.5 foot diameter concave shield weighing 12 lbs is unlikely to travel as fast as a 5 ounce, 3 inch diameter ball even if disregarding the fact that the range of motion required to throw a ball is very different from that required to throw a discus.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nothing destroys adamantium physically outside of Infinity Gauntlet, Beyonder's power or King Thor's Odinforce.

You're still not proving much of a case here, Wolverine couldn't do it.

Cap is using a slightly lesser tool when it comes to attack (Vibranium absorbs impact, so it cannot hit with the same force that Wolverine's claws can.)

Captain America is not stronger than Wolverine.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And Sym the demon. . . And hulk . . . and the molecular rearangment ala Apocalypse. . .

You're still not proving much of a case here, Wolverine couldn't do it.

Cap is using a slightly lesser tool when it comes to attack (Vibranium absorbs impact, so it cannot hit with the same force that Wolverine's claws can.)

Captain America is not stronger than Wolverine.

So if Cap could shred a Sentinel and Ultron with his shield and his strength alone, why is it unreasonable to think that Cap could at the very least, dent an eye or take off an ear?

EDIT: Oh yeah. And you're reverse vibranium thing is somewhat insightful and goofy at the same time. By that virtue, anything the shield hit would never be damaged since the shield absorbed the impact. We know that isn't true, and Cap has never complained, "Blast this infernal shield! It absorbs damage that I'm trying to cause to my foes! Curse President Roosevelt for handing me this ridiculous contraption!" So I doubt that it does. I've figured out and explained a lot of odd things, including why K effects Superman so quickly, Wolvie's healing abilities and Iceman's powers, I'll figure this out too eventually. But either way, we know its not true, so let's drop that like I dropped AoA Gambit killing AoA Colossus in organic steel form with a single card.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So if Cap could shred a Sentinel and Ultron with his shield and his strength alone, why is it unreasonable to think that Cap could at the very least, dent an eye or take off an ear?[/i]

Why can Captain America preform a feat that Wolverine can't?

Wolverine's claws are more suited to cutting things than the sheild is.

Captain America is not stronger than Wolverine. Why can Captain America do what Wolverine failed to do?

And chemicals and energy should also be excluded as they are not just physical force.

Oh, and Sym the Demon caved Collosus's chest in to, and embeded him into the wall. . . That dude is strong, since he snapped the adamantium without any effort. . .

Well, Cap's shield isn't Adamantium, it's an unknown alloy and Vibranium. It's actually stronger than adamantium. So, he might be able to cut colossus. Doubtful, though.

So doubtful that there's no chance that he can cut him with the shield.

This ain't about cutting up Colossus. It's about denting his eyes and cutting off his ears. We all know that more organic steel = more durability. His eyes and ears are obviously less durable than say his chest. I've stated examples of people denting or shredding his steel form. And in fact, I found another where a mutated Wasp pierces into Colossus' face with her talons in a Claremont story. I would have scanned it, but I didn't have a lot of time at home.

I also highly doubt that Cap could cut Colossus' chest. Wolvie has a better chance of doing that and as many have pointed out, he couldn't. But his eyes and ears are totally different things. Just because Wolvie can't cut into the organic steel sinew of his chest, doesn't mean Wolverine can't dent his eye or slice off a 3 milimeter thick portion of organic steel flesh like his ear. In fact, I think Wolvie and Cap have a good shot of pulling these stunts off with their respective weapons.

And that's they key. After all, after losing sight in one eye or one ear and not being able to tag Cap once, wouldn't you want to call it quits? Cap can win this. And until someone shows me that Colossus ear is unbreakable, and reconcile that with the fact that more substantial parts of Colossus' steel form has been shredded and pierced, I won't budge.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine also shreads sentinals, but HE can't cut collosus.

Why can Captain America preform a feat that Wolverine can't?

Wolverine's claws are more suited to cutting things than the sheild is.

Captain America is not stronger than Wolverine. Why can Captain America do what Wolverine failed to do?

And chemicals and energy should also be excluded as they are not just physical force.

Oh, and Sym the Demon caved Collosus's chest in to, and embeded him into the wall. . . That dude is strong, since he snapped the adamantium without any effort. . .

What issue was that with S'ymm, by the way?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This ain't about cutting up Colossus. It's about denting his eyes and cutting off his ears. We all know that more organic steel = more durability. His eyes and ears are obviously less durable than say his chest. I've stated examples of people denting or shredding his steel form. And in fact, I found another where a mutated Wasp pierces into Colossus' face with her talons in a Claremont story. I would have scanned it, but I didn't have a lot of time at home.

I also highly doubt that Cap could cut Colossus' chest. Wolvie has a better chance of doing that and as many have pointed out, he couldn't. But his eyes and ears are totally different things. Just because Wolvie can't cut into the organic steel sinew of his chest, doesn't mean Wolverine can't dent his eye or slice off a 3 milimeter thick portion of organic steel flesh like his ear. In fact, I think Wolvie and Cap have a good shot of pulling these stunts off with their respective weapons.

And that's they key. After all, after losing sight in one eye or one ear and not being able to tag Cap once, wouldn't you want to call it quits? Cap can win this. And until someone shows me that Colossus ear is unbreakable, and reconcile that with the fact that more substantial parts of Colossus' steel form has been shredded and pierced, I won't budge.

Everytime Wolverine has tried to slice (not stab, slice) Colossus, only sparks were produced. That would be what would happen if he tried to cut an ear off. And I don't see Wolvie cutting through Colossus's eyes either. Besides, Cap couldn't do that if he wanted, what with his CIRCULAR SHIELD that will be stopped by the bridge of Colossus's nose and his forhead.

You know, instead of having us try and prove you wrong, how about you provide some evidence that Cap can indeed cut off parts of Colossus's steel skin. We don't have anything to prove here, knowing full well that Cap doesn't have the necessary strength nor weapon to perform such a feat.

So, get to proving.

Originally posted by long pig
Well, Cap's shield isn't Adamantium, it's an unknown alloy and Vibranium. It's actually stronger than adamantium. So, he might be able to cut colossus. Doubtful, though.

* as i've read somewhere... Cap's shield has an adamantium & vibranium, plus different kinds of alloy, and it's unduplicated...

* given the facts... still, Cap is not that strong to be able to cut Colossus... and i hope Colossus sees this as a Cap joke, 'coz if Colossus retaliates, Cap is a dead meat... 😛

Well, hum, Namor threw the shield once, to Giant-Man, and it didn't cut anything, just knocked him out. Namor is thousands of times stronger then Cap, if it really had cutting force, Giant Man's head would be lying somewhere right now...

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2183/namorfeat87yv.gif

How did the shield cut sentinels? Did it go straight through them, with clean cut? Or did it blow through them with blunt force?