Originally posted by olympianMaybe I'm mistaking what you're exactly asking, but the scan of Ultimus getting clonked by the shield is from Avengers #346... and the Skrull-impersonating Colossus scan is from FF #250...
Hey Snoop, what issue did you took that Ultimus scan from?And man Cap`s Shield its the Ownage.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0This is how Cap can win. And what is not explained is why a dented eye can lead to victory. If he dents his eye, he will physically induce a stigmatism. The medical term 'stigmatism' is defined as a deterioration in the curvature on one's eye resulting in impaired vision. The worse the curvature, the worse the vision. I happen to suffer from a very slight stigmatism myself. Curvature can't even be measured in millimeters. Its that small. That tiny bit of denting is all Cap needs. You dent Colossus' eye, his vision goes all funky. You dent both, he's pretty much blind. And since Colossus doesn't magically heal when he switches back to human form, I think even one f'ed up eye is enough for anyone to call it quits. If I can pull this method of fighting out of my bunghole, knowing what I know of Colossus and physiology, I'm pretty sure Cap can too and in spades.
This ain't about cutting up Colossus. It's about denting his eyes and cutting off his ears. We all know that more organic steel = more durability. His eyes and ears are obviously less durable than say his chest. I've stated examples of people denting or shredding his steel form. And in fact, I found another where a mutated Wasp pierces into Colossus' face with her talons in a Claremont story. I would have scanned it, but I didn't have a lot of time at home.I also highly doubt that Cap could cut Colossus' chest. Wolvie has a better chance of doing that and as many have pointed out, he couldn't. But his eyes and ears are totally different things. Just because Wolvie can't cut into the organic steel sinew of his chest, doesn't mean Wolverine can't dent his eye or slice off a 3 milimeter thick portion of organic steel flesh like his ear. In fact, I think Wolvie and Cap have a good shot of pulling these stunts off with their respective weapons.
And that's they key. After all, after losing sight in one eye or one ear and not being able to tag Cap once, wouldn't you want to call it quits? Cap can win this. And until someone shows me that Colossus ear is unbreakable, and reconcile that with the fact that more substantial parts of Colossus' steel form has been shredded and pierced, I won't budge.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This is how Cap can win. And what is not explained is why a dented eye can lead to victory. If he dents his eye, he will physically induce a stigmatism. The medical term 'stigmatism' is defined as a deterioration in the curvature on one's eye resulting in impaired vision. The worse the curvature, the worse the vision. I happen to suffer from a very slight stigmatism myself. Curvature can't even be measured in millimeters. Its that small. That tiny bit of denting is all Cap needs. You dent Colossus' eye, his vision goes all funky. You dent both, he's pretty much blind. And since Colossus doesn't magically heal when he switches back to human form, I think even one f'ed up eye is enough for anyone to call it quits. If I can pull this method of fighting out of my bunghole, knowing what I know of Colossus and physiology, I'm pretty sure Cap can too and in spades.
Actually, given enough concentration and time on the matter, Piotr can indeed heal himself when he reverts back to normal, as he's done before under much more extreme circumstances. And upon doing so, he can revert right back to his transformed state.
Anyway, I apologize now, upon looking back on my posts I made it sound like Cap couldn't really do anything. Even before your posts, I knew this was false, but apparently my mind was elsewhere. Cap does have some very impressive feats. It's just I don't find it possible for him to really physically damage Colossus in anyway if Colossus is paying attention to the fight at all. As soon as the shield comes at him, Piotr can just grab it and chuck it away, possibly taking Cap's arm with it if Steve just happened to be holding on to it.
I truly mean no disrespect whatsoever to Cap, for I find him pretty awesome and one of the very best (top 5 definitely) street levelers in comicdom.
But, I must be fair about this, and say that Colossus would win 10/10 though. Unless written in Captain America's comic, where some crazy instance will occur to completely thrash Colossus for the Cap win.
Rock on.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wait...can't Colossus take bullets in eyes?" Even his eyes become steel-like; his eyeballs can withstand and deflect the impact of a .45 caliber bullet."
How can Cap hope to hit with same force then a bullet? Maybe if Thing or Namor or someone other powerhouse would hit him, but Cap?
Yea, I know. I've argued this as well. His eyes deflect .45 Magnum bullets like they were nothing.
But, I'm throwing Cap a bone here. Even with this being the only thing he can do, he'd still lose to Colossus 10/10.
Okay there's a handful of pages dedicated to denting Colossus's eye, completely on the premise that a curvature change would blind him and that would somehow lead to a victory. A couple major issues with that, I start with the ones unsaid:
1. Why should the reshaping of a lens affect sight when an opaque steel-lens is useless for sight to begin with? Colossus is a golem. He moves but his organs cease to work like normal organs. His brain is made of steel but he still has a thinking mind, etc. His eyes cease to be optic organs, but work regardless. It's the nature of his power.
2. Organic-Steel flexes and moves, otherwise Colossus couldn't. Who's to say any deformation to the eye would be remain? If the eye could be deformed by the shield, who's to say it wouldn't bounce back into its right shape? It's a huge assumption to say otherwise.
3. Colossus does have a healing factor to account for such injuries.
4. Assumes the shield can cause any deformation to begin with... controversial at the very least.
5. Assumes Colossus wouldn't defend and/or that the eyes are an easy enough target for Cap.
6. Assumes blindness somehow leads to victory.
Originally posted by Scoobless
if Cap smacks him with the shield full whack into his temple he could get a win.... maybe...... but it's not very likelyon the other hand (or glove) he has his energy shield thingy that he can manipulate into various shapes.... he could spear Colossus through the eye with it
Colossus' eyes go metal during his transformation too.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, I never once doubted that Captain America could make Colossus fall. But last time I checked, fall does not = victory. Colossus can always just get back up.
True. However Colossus falling can give Cap opportunities to bash him with the shield. Would it ko him everytime? Ofcourse not. Can it ko him? I dont have any doubts about it.
Cap beats him in every category save for strength. And hed easily be able to block Colossus's punches via shield. I give Cap a few victories here. But Colossus still takes the majority.
Originally posted by jrodslam
True. However Colossus falling can give Cap opportunities to bash him with the shield. Would it ko him everytime? Ofcourse not. Can it ko him? I dont have any doubts about it.Cap beats him in every category save for strength. And hed easily be able to block Colossus's punches via shield. I give Cap a few victories here. But Colossus still takes the majority.
Truthfully, I have my doubts that it can knock him out.
Colossus also beats cap in durability as well. And is equal to Cap in endurance and stamina. And actually, Colossus is faster running-wise.
And, just a heads up, any punches that Cap decides to block with his shield will end up doing this to him:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandCap.jpg
True, he's blocked from the punch, but that will quickly wear Cap down getting thrown every which way by the uber powerful punches. That and Colossus doesn't necessarily have to punch, you know. He can do a pump-fake, Cap puts his shield up, then Colossus just takes it out of his hands as if Cap wasn't even holding it. Then Colossus can either chuck it away or bash Cap over the head with it. Too many ways for Piotr to win this, in my opinion.
