#1 Cap is stronger than Wolverine but not by much.
#2 Cap's shield is a Adamantium/Vibrainium combo and is much harder and stronger than Colossus hide.
#3 The shield is 12lbs. And Cap most definitely can throw the shield at over 100mph (practice in 30+ yrs of throwing it and his super solider serum strength)
I'm not sure if he can cut Colossus with it though.
He is capable of beating Colossus but i don't think on a regular basis.
Colossus 6/10
Originally posted by MetalmanxUnfortunately, I don't have my scanner or my comics handy. I would post the comic where a mutated Wasp pierces through Colossus' face. And why are we going back to the whole 'nose/bridge of face blocking' thing again? I already asked you to demonstrate it on yourself. The edge of the shield can indeed touch his eye. If you take a dinner plate and try to touch your eye with it's edge, you will easily see that it can indeed touch your eye. Simple as that.
Everytime Wolverine has tried to slice (not stab, slice) Colossus, only sparks were produced. That would be what would happen if he tried to cut an ear off. And I don't see Wolvie cutting through Colossus's eyes either. Besides, Cap couldn't do that if he wanted, what with his CIRCULAR SHIELD that will be stopped by the bridge of Colossus's nose and his forhead.You know, instead of having us try and prove you wrong, how about you provide some evidence that Cap can indeed cut off parts of Colossus's steel skin. We don't have anything to prove here, knowing full well that Cap doesn't have the necessary strength nor weapon to perform such a feat.
So, get to proving.
But if you want to see Cap cut through steel or whatnot, here is a pic I had handy, when I get back to my house, I'll try and find more examples:
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerBack to one of my more favorite threads! Personally, I think he's capable of throwing at 100 mph+. I was hard pressed to find an example where speed was the attribute present during any shield throw but this scan appears to be good enough. It was from 'Twisted Tomorrows' written by Dan Jurgens. How fast are those rockets going? Maybe 60-70+ mph to be able to propel themselves and human passengers? Cap's throw has to be pretty fast to catch up, 100 mph doesn't sound too off the mark. And while it sounds shady at first, that shield is pretty aerodynamic, nonetheless feast your eyes:
I don't think Cap is stronger then Wolverine. Where was it said?Cap is only peak human. I'm not sure if he is able to throw the shield with 100 mph. Maybe an ball sor something, but an shield?
Originally posted by MetalmanxWhile I showed a scan above of him cutting an Ultron head off, I always felt uneasy about that one because they were constructs from Scarlet Witch's derangement and it would be kinda hard to really tell how strong they actually were. But I found some other examples of Cap directly cutting up metal, this example being an Apache helicopter:
You know, instead of having us try and prove you wrong, how about you provide some evidence that Cap can indeed cut off parts of Colossus's steel skin. We don't have anything to prove here, knowing full well that Cap doesn't have the necessary strength nor weapon to perform such a feat.So, get to proving.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, hum, Namor threw the shield once, to Giant-Man, and it didn't cut anything, just knocked him out. Namor is thousands of times stronger then Cap, if it really had cutting force, Giant Man's head would be lying somewhere right now...http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2183/namorfeat87yv.gif
How did the shield cut sentinels? Did it go straight through them, with clean cut? Or did it blow through them with blunt force?
probably has to do more with technique than strength.. cap has hit a number of things that the shield cut through.. but you have to remember he also hits regular people without cutting off limbs or breaking their bones as well.. both are consistent.. so I say it's a matter of technique.
cap is capable of winning, but it wouldn't happen often. he's smart enough to use his brains to net him 1, MAYBE 2 wins out of 10, depending on where they are fighting. namor handled him (with some difficulty) which might mean it wouldn't be a cake walk, but if namor could beat him up, colossus could too.
and no, i don't think cap is strong enough to cut colossus.
And here's another scan I thought was somewhat relevant. It looks old, but its actually after the whole 'Heroes Return' storyline. I will admit however, I don't think this is how Cap would fight Colossus. Colossus' steel form is more stronger, more durable and probably faster than Absorbing Man's form here. But I wanted to point out Cap's comment in panel three about how steel fares against his shield:
EDIT: Personally, I don't think a shield thrown at Colossus' chest would do anything. It'd bounce off. My main point in these scans is not showing Cap's thrown shield could slice Colossus in half, but I think with sufficient force, and with the right angle, he could lop off an ear or at least dent an eye. And denting an eye would most likely cause Colossus vision to suffer due to a physical stigmatism and force him out of the fight. Still, maybe 5/10 between the two...
Originally posted by leonidas
cap is capable of winning, but it wouldn't happen often. he's smart enough to use his brains to net him 1, MAYBE 2 wins out of 10, depending on where they are fighting. namor handled him (with some difficulty) which might mean it wouldn't be a cake walk, but if namor could beat him up, colossus could too.and no, i don't think cap is strong enough to cut colossus.
basically my take on this fight.. invulnerability is pretty helpful...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And here's another scan I thought was somewhat relevant. It looks old, but its actually after the whole 'Heroes Return' storyline. I will admit however, I don't think this is how Cap would fight Colossus. Colossus' steel form is more stronger, more durable and probably faster than Absorbing Man's form here. But I wanted to point out Cap's comment in panel three about how steel fares against his shield:
awesome scans.. you got any more of capatin america ownage of pretty strong or powerful characters?
Originally posted by jinzinBetween pages 7-8 of this particular thread, I posted some of my better scans of Cap taking out Rhino and Thunderball (from Wrecking Crew) with fists, wrestling and throwing aside Namor toe-to-toe, and taking out an Ultron bot and a Sentinel singlehandedly.
awesome scans.. you got any more of capatin america ownage of pretty strong or powerful characters?
I don't have much better than that because I don't have most of my Cap comics here, but here's a two page spread of Cap taking out one of the Kree's Starforce members named Ultimus with a shield throw during 'Operation: Galactic Storm.' As you can see, Ultimus is going toe-to-toe with Hercules, so he's gotta be quite strong... BTW, Cap recovers from that dastardly sneak attack pretty quickly for all us patriots out there. Blasted Kree! 😉
Nice scan. So the Red Skull is mind-controlling Colossus or something? Personally, I can't believe Cap could roll with any attack by Colossus and more importantly, I can't believe he got thrown back from Colossus attack off-panel!!! 😠 He's withstood Infinity Gauntlet smashing without being smooshed and Hulk punches! First time FF beat Gladiator was because they got Gladiator to whack on Cap who was disguised holographically as Reed Richards. Gladiator's attacks didn't faze Cap, which messed with Gladiator's confidence! Hell, he takes a blast from Mjolnir straight-on here! Bah humbug! 😠
Originally posted by OneDumbG0That wasn't the real Colossus.
Nice scan. So the Red Skull is mind-controlling Colossus or something? Personally, I can't believe Cap could roll with any attack by Colossus and more importantly, I can't believe he got thrown back from Colossus attack off-panel!!! 😠 He's withstood Infinity Gauntlet smashing without being smooshed and Hulk punches! First time FF beat Gladiator was because they got Gladiator to whack on Cap who was disguised holographically as Reed Richards. Gladiator's attacks didn't faze Cap, which messed with Gladiator's confidence! Hell, he takes a blast from Mjolnir straight-on here! Bah humbug! 😠
It was a Skrull impersonating him along with the other X-men.
