Cyclops vs. Storm

Originally posted by stormfront13
well storm has control over all aspects of the weather:lightning=electricity, therefore storm has control over electricity. and complete control at that, in x-men unlimited volume 1, number 7 is where she uses a force-field, and chris claremont didn't write the issue, so no one even think about using that half-ass line about him giving them undeserved powers. candras attacks are deflected off an electric force-field. there are more examples, but i have to look them up.

Would you say she has more control over electricity than Electro?

Originally posted by stormfront13
no, she has created actual force-fields in the past

not unless she was out to take him out, and what you said makes no sence. you say he can't take a lightning bolt, then you say he can, what are you trying to say.

no he can't, if storm wanted to take him out, then she would be able to. he has human durability, a normal persons body can't take lightning. have you ever heard of anyone getting struck by lightning, and then just getting back up like nothing happened?

And yet...

Originally posted by stormfront13
well storm has control over all aspects of the weather:lightning=electricity, therefore storm has control over electricity. and complete control at that, in x-men unlimited volume 1, number 7 is where she uses a force-field, and chris claremont didn't write the issue, so no one even think about using that half-ass line about him giving them undeserved powers. candras attacks are deflected off an electric force-field. there are more examples, but i have to look them up.

It never said that she was creating a force field in that issue.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Would you say she has more control over electricity than Electro?

i am not sure. i don't think she's above him, but i think she is equal. they have both done the same things with electricity as ease, but considering that spider-man finds a way to defeat him all the time, tends to make me doubt.

And yet...

which is onl;y one occurance out of thousands of appearances. yeah, that's real consistant. everything else shows that he can't absorb electricity, and that he was fearfull of storms lightning says something. and the fact that he needed to dodge, and didn't absorb it also makes me doubt.

It never said that she was creating a force field in that issue.

yeah, it also hardly ever says that magneto uses a force-field either, but when he uses one, people still accept it. storm is surrounded in a spherical electrical field, and candras attacks are being deflected, whatever it is, it's protecting her.

Originally posted by stormfront13
i am not sure. i don't think she's above him, but i think she is equal. they have both done the same things with electricity as ease, but considering that spider-man finds a way to defeat him all the time, tends to make me doubt.

which is onl;y one occurance out of thousands of appearances. yeah, that's real consistant. everything else shows that he can't absorb electricity, and that he was fearfull of storms lightning says something. and the fact that he needed to dodge, and didn't absorb it also makes me doubt.

yeah, it also hardly ever says that magneto uses a force-field either, but when he uses one, people still accept it. storm is surrounded in a spherical electrical field, and candras attacks are being deflected, whatever it is, it's protecting her.

No offense, SF...well, just a very little bit...but you can stop right here.

You honestly believe that Storm is an equal to Electro in terms of electrical control. Storm's good, but Electro's skills make her look retarded. It's not even a contest. Electro puts Storm to a horrible shame in terms in electrical control.

If I were Cyclops, I'd avoid lightning if I could, too. I'm sure it hurts like a *****. And stings like hell, too. But CLEARLY he can withstand it and absorb it, too, if need be.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And yet...

Also it's funny how many screwups there are on that german scan. . 😆

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No offense, SF...well, just a very little bit...but you can stop right here.

You honestly believe that Storm is an equal to Electro in terms of electrical control. Storm's good, but Electro's skills make her look retarded. It's not even a contest. Electro puts Storm to a horrible shame in terms in electrical control.

If I were Cyclops, I'd avoid lightning if I could, too. I'm sure it hurts like a *****. And stings like hell, too. But CLEARLY he can withstand it and absorb it, too, if need be.

Unless you'd like to show more than one occasion, this could very well be like Storm's inability to handle the cold in that one scan or Spiderman beating firelord, or Wolverine taking that large explosive device, or wolverine taking a punch from namor like it was nothing. . .etc. etc. . .

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No offense, SF...well, just a very little bit...but you can stop right here.

You honestly believe that Storm is an equal to Electro in terms of electrical control. Storm's good, but Electro's skills make her look retarded. It's not even a contest. Electro puts Storm to a horrible shame in terms in electrical control.

If I were Cyclops, I'd avoid lightning if I could, too. I'm sure it hurts like a *****. And stings like hell, too. But CLEARLY he can withstand it and absorb it, too, if need be.

most everything electro has done, storm has also done with ease, how does that make her look retarded?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Slowly feeding the electricity into him isn't the same thing as striking him with a full force lightning bolt.

Also it's funny how many screwups there are on that german scan. . 😆

Slowly? I remember reading that in English. She shoved all of that electricity into him at once. Man, I wish I could find the English version again. He took all of that stored electricity at once.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Slowly? I remember reading that in English. She shoved all of that electricity into him at once. Man, I wish I could find the English version again. He took all of that stored electricity at once.

Much like the drama created for the other feats I mentioned. If Cyclops can absorb electricity like that then all the other one shot events should also be allowed. Unless you're being selective about which feats you'll allow. . . shows a degree of bias, don't you think?

Cyclops can absorb electricity, Wolverine can survive that nuke that was called napalm, Wolverine can take Namor's punches and not move. . . sounds real good doesn't it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Plot device.

Much like the drama created for the other feats I mentioned. If Cyclops can absorb electricity like that then all the other one shot events should also be allowed. Unless you're being selective about which feats you'll allow. . . shows a degree of bias, don't you think?

Cyclops can absorb electricity, Wolverine can survive that nuke that was called napalm, Wolverine can take Namor's punches and not move. . . sounds real good doesn't it?

Cresh, relax. You know I don't approve all those other ones you mentioned. And to be honest, I don't know how I feel about the electricity absorbing thing. But I do know that I don't believe Storm can dodge an optic blast that bloodlust Cyke clearly wants to hit her with.

There are too many one-shot deals nowadays, what with writers changing more than my boxers.

When I first started this thread, I was just making it to see who would strike first mostly. I believed, and still do, that Cyclops easily hits her first, killing/KOing Storm.

Then all this other crap came into the picture.

Thing is, however, that Cyke can indeed absorb other types of energies. That's what makes that just barely more believable than Wolverine effortlessly taking a Namor punch or something like that.

she had to feed it into him slowly, i am pretty sure the english version says that

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Cresh, relax. You know I don't approve all those other ones you mentioned. And to be honest, I don't know how I feel about the electricity absorbing thing. But I do know that I don't believe Storm can dodge an optic blast that bloodlust Cyke clearly wants to hit her with.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
There are too many one-shot deals nowadays, what with writers changing more than my boxers.

When I first started this thread, I was just making it to see who would strike first mostly. I believed, and still do, that Cyclops easily hits her first, killing/KOing Storm.

Then all this other crap came into the picture.

Thing is, however, that Cyke can indeed absorb other types of energies. That's what makes that just barely more believable than Wolverine effortlessly taking a Namor punch or something like that.

Spiderman hits wolverine and he goes flying, this has happened more than once.

Hulk hits Wolverine and he goes flying, this happens in each of their encounters.

Namor hits Wolverine and he doesn't budge.

Cyclops absorbs the Electricity once, Wolverine stands up to Namor once.

Both make as much sense as their is no reason for either to occur other than it was part of the plot of that particular story.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
There are too many one-shot deals nowadays, what with writers changing more than my boxers.

Hmm... the onus is on providing positive proof that he can't withstand an electrical attack from Storm. Even if one does not take that he can absorb and metabolise the energy. The only observed instance that I can recall where she struck him with lightning is the aforementioned. And it wasn't fed slowly stormfront. And Storm is a special needs child compared to Elektro in terms of control of electrical energy. Can you actually show her manipulating electrical energy rather than just creating it as a weather phenomenon - because I can't recall her doing so off the top of my head. In an incident you brought up where she tries to override some technology by channelling electricity through in a particular fashion, she fails to do so and passes out.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Peejay. If you read the forum rules you'll see that that type of event is discounted and rightly so:

No SvFL

As ive shown you Cyclops before and after that event considered lightning a very real threat to his person. It was a plot device you need to accept that. Either way forum rules are against you on the matter so unless you can come up with scans of Cyclops pulling off the same feat on other occassions by different writers then we'll here no more on the matter.

* and obviously, you didn't get my point...

Originally posted by peejayd
* of course, any lightning bolt can be considered a threat by a mutant with no healing factor or enhanced strength / durability like Cyke... IF NEED BE, Cyke can take a lightning attack from Storm...

* do i need to repeat what i said? IF NEED BE... 😕

Originally posted by stormfront13
not unless she was out to take him out, and what you said makes no sence. you say he can't take a lightning bolt, then you say he can, what are you trying to say.

* please read first, then understand... i don't contradict myself on that post...

Originally posted by stormfront13
no he can't, if storm wanted to take him out, then she would be able to. he has human durability, a normal persons body can't take lightning. have you ever heard of anyone getting struck by lightning, and then just getting back up like nothing happened?

* yes, a mutant that has the ability to absorb solar energy... and please try to understand my post...

Originally posted by peejayd
* negative, dude... the fact is, i was using the word "can take" and not using the word "shrug off", which obviously have different meanings if you're implying otherwise...

* Cyke of course, CANNOT SHRUG OFF a lightning blast, never... but the fact is shown in the comic, is that Cyke CAN TAKE a lightning shot from Storm...

* of course, any lightning bolt can be considered a threat by a mutant with no healing factor or enhanced strength / durability like Cyke... IF NEED BE, Cyke can take a lightning attack from Storm...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think that falls under the category of too much information...

Hmm... the onus is on providing positive proof that he can't withstand an electrical attack from Storm. Even if one does not take that he can absorb and metabolise the energy. The only observed instance that I can recall where she struck him with lightning is the aforementioned. And it wasn't fed slowly stormfront. And Storm is a special needs child compared to Elektro in terms of control of electrical energy. Can you actually show her manipulating electrical energy rather than just creating it as a weather phenomenon - because I can't recall her doing so off the top of my head. In an incident you brought up where she tries to override some technology by channelling electricity through in a particular fashion, she fails to do so and passes out.

off the top of my head
1)in extreeme x-men, storm creates electrical energy to perform hydrokinesis when her team falls into the ocean, and she makes the electrical field big enough to protect 3 or 4 of her teammates not including herself
2)she manipulates the electromagnetic field to cause emp's, and uses natural electrical energy to cause emp's
3)she shoots eletrical energy out of her vody on a regular basis
4)she has very limited control over electrons
5)uses electrical energy to see the world in terms of energy
5)can read electrical impulses in humans and machines
6)can control the electricity in a presons body

please read first, then understand... i don't contradict myself on that post...

then what excatley do you mean? first you say he can't take a ligthning bolt, then you say he can.

And that puts her on Elektro's level...?

1) She doesn't perform hydrokinesis, that put simply means controls water. She performs electrolysis by discharging lightning. 2) Is disputable. Moving electrical charge creates weak magnetic fields. Changing magnetic fields can create electric fields. She doesn't control electomagnetic fields like Magneto. 3) Is discharging electricity. 4) Stated anywhere? And also kind of irrelevant considering the limited control enables her to - you guessed it - discharge lightning. Both the 5)s aren't manipulation of electricity. 6? When?

You keep stating that she has complete control over electrical energy. Nothing you listed suggests that.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And that puts her on Elektro's level...?

1) She doesn't perform hydrokinesis, that put simply means controls water. She performs electrolysis by discharging lightning. 2) Is disputable. Moving electrical charge creates weak magnetic fields. 3) Is discharging electricity. 4) Stated anywhere? Both the 5)s aren't manipulation of electricity. 6? When?

You keep stating that she has complete control over electrical energy. Nothing you listed suggests that.

no, because she has other showings, just these are off the top of my head.

1)i didn't realize i put hydrokinesis, i meant to put electrolysis.

2)she actually control the field itself, not uses the electricity to control it, she controls it itself.

3)yes, obviously it is discharging electricity, but you said that you can;t think of her discharging electricity

4)she always has. she sees electrons, excites them to generate electricity, and takes away the charge of electrons as well. she has also moved electrons(i don't have this issue)

5) yes, but they involve her control over electricity. in every comic i have with electro, he hasn't been able to convert his sences with electricity

6)she has always been able to do it, but doesn't like to due to the fact that it could be hazerdous to a humans body. though soon indeadly genesis, storms powers are used to shut down a brain current.

imo, she is on electros level, due to the fact that basically everything he can do, storm can do as well.

I said that she can't discharge electricity... ? Okay....

Where does it say that she controls electromagnetic fields? Where does it say she can strip electrons of charge <- That makes no sense whatsoever, does she turn them into neutrinos or something? Again 5 doesn't imply being able to control electrical energy Where does it say that she's always been able to control electrical impulses in the human body?

I really wouldn't cite a comic that hasn't even come out yet.

Issue number, scan or link will suffice.

If you're going to say that she has complete control over electrical energy then you really need a bit more to back it up.