Cyclops vs. Storm

Originally posted by stormfront13
then what excatley do you mean? first you say he can't take a ligthning bolt, then you say he can.

* sigh...

Originally posted by peejayd
* Cyke of course, CANNOT SHRUG OFF a lightning blast, never... but the fact is shown in the comic, is that Cyke CAN TAKE a lightning shot from Storm...

* i didn't say "he can't take a lightning bolt", then "he can take it"... no, that's not it...

* i said, " he cannot SHRUG OFF a lightning blast", but if it hits him, "he can take it"... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* and obviously, you didn't get my point...

* do i need to repeat what i said? IF NEED BE... 😕

What do you mean "if need be". Either he can take it like any other human would or he cant. Stop trying to skate around the issue. You tried to say he could absorb them i revealed that single incident to be a plot device. You have yet to come up with any supporting evidence. Cyclops can NOT take a lightning bolt from Storm if shes intent on killing him. Simple as that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cyclops can NOT take a lightning bolt from Storm if shes intent on killing him. Simple as that.

As for the Storm Vs Electro thing i dont think Storm has as much control over electricity as Electro. In fact its pretty obvious she doesnt. However as far as her control goes she once said she learned how to generate her various weather effects by watching the flow of electrons in storms and copying the occurrence.

She can psionically manipulate ambient energy patterns to create any form of atmospheric electrical phenomena, so while i dont think her electrical control is on Electros level, its hardly limited to just discharging electricity.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If you're going to maintain that. The onus is still on you to prove that.

No it is not X. I have shown scans where he considers it a threat and has leapt out of the way or praised god that he wasnt hit. Ive presented occurrences before and after that one off plot device. As Cyclops hasnt been shown to be able to pull that kind of feat off before or since it really doesnt factor in and by the rules of the forum is irrelevant in threads.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I said that she can't discharge electricity... ? Okay....

Where does it say that she controls electromagnetic fields? Where does it say she can strip electrons of charge <- That makes no sense whatsoever, does she turn them into neutrinos or something? Again 5 doesn't imply being able to control electrical energy Where does it say that she's always been able to control electrical impulses in the human body?

I really wouldn't cite a comic that hasn't even come out yet.

Issue number, scan or link will suffice.

If you're going to say that she has complete control over electrical energy then you really need a bit more to back it up.

she manipulates the electromagnetic fields a lot. one occurance off the top of my head is when she fought alpha flight, and shaman made a storm the size of north america(i believe, hough i am prolly wrong), or possibly antarctica, and he lost control of it. storm then takes control of it and states that the storm, was so huge she had to tap into the electromagnetic field to stop it. she has always been able to control the electrical impulses in a persons body, but doesn't use that attack except for extreme measures because of the affects it has on the human body. the part where storms powers are utilized in the manner i said has already come out in wizard magazine. anyway, i'm not arguing with you. anything electro has done, storm has done as well with ease, there's rerally no point. my opinion is that she does seeing as she has more expierence, and they both do the same feats with ease.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What do you mean "if need be". Either he can take it like any other human would or he cant. Stop trying to skate around the issue. You tried to say he could absorb them i revealed that single incident to be a plot device. You have yet to come up with any supporting evidence. Cyclops can NOT take a lightning bolt from Storm if shes intent on killing him. Simple as that.

* what does "if need be" means? i'm not skating around the issue... loosen up, man... 😛

Originally posted by peejayd
* what does "if need be" means? i'm not skating around the issue... loosen up, man... 😛

I dont know what you think it means but by saying he could take a bolt if need be infers that if he has to his body can certainly take lightning from Storm under death match conditions. That certainly isnt the case. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont know what you think it means but by saying he could take a bolt if need be infers that if he has to his body can certainly take lightning from Storm under death match conditions. That certainly isnt the case. 😉

* now, you got my point... nice...

* the difference is our opinions... 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* now, you got my point... nice...

* the difference is our opinions... 🙄

The crux of the matter however is that due to forum rules your opinion on the matter is somewhat irrelevant.🙁 Never mind. 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The crux of the matter however is that due to forum rules your opinion on the matter is somewhat irrelevant.🙁 Never mind. 😂

* well... it did... the forum rule also made the comic scan irrelevant... 🙁

I agree with most that it would come down to who would strike the other first. Cyclop's blast is more than good enough to knock Storm silly. And by that respect, Storm's lightning bolt from the sky could pretty much fry anything, provided that the target is not grounded. Scientists say its a 50% chance whether you get fried or not. But either way, you will get stunned, and another bolt or a mini tornado Cyke's way will end him.

But I disagree that Cyke has the advantage here. Sure, where he looks is where the beam fires. He doesn't have to aim with his hand or using a sight on a gun. However, have you guys ever tried following something like a swallow in flight from 90 feet away, especially one that is diving and switching directions? Its hard to keep up a bead on the thing. Storm's initial leap and a hurricane gale-force to lift her into the sky would probably present a great problem for Cyke to get a good bead on her. And even if we say that Cyke's targeting isn't being affected by gale-force winds caused by the storms swirling about, he'd have to resort to a full blast to get Storm. And like GS states, he has to grab his visor off and let loose.

Storm on the other hand, even if Cyke could dodge an initial bolt just has to think and cause several bolts to rain down from the sky. Or she could cause the temperature to drop around Cyke in a thought. Or she could cause a gale wind to throw Cyke into a tornado spin. She doesn't have any restrictions on what can happen in an instant except her imagination.

Storm just has to think and bolts rain down in an instant. Cyke has to look and let loose. And if he wants a full force blast, he has to take his visor off also like below. I think Storm's definitely got the advantage in speed here.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree with most that it would come down to who would strike the other first. Cyclop's blast is more than good enough to knock Storm silly. And by that respect, Storm's lightning bolt from the sky could pretty much fry anything, provided that the target is not grounded. Scientists say its a 50% chance whether you get fried or not. But either way, you will get stunned, and another bolt or a mini tornado Cyke's way will end him.

But I disagree that Cyke has the advantage here. Sure, where he looks is where the beam fires. He doesn't have to aim with his hand or using a sight on a gun. However, have you guys ever tried following something like a swallow in flight from 90 feet away, especially one that is diving and switching directions? Its hard to keep up a bead on the thing. Storm's initial leap and a hurricane gale-force to lift her into the sky would probably present a great problem for Cyke to get a good bead on her. And even if we say that Cyke's targeting isn't being affected by gale-force winds caused by the storms swirling about, he'd have to resort to a full blast to get Storm. And like GS states, he has to grab his visor off and let loose.

Storm on the other hand, even if Cyke could dodge an initial bolt just has to think and cause several bolts to rain down from the sky. Or she could cause the temperature to drop around Cyke in a thought. Or she could cause a gale wind to throw Cyke into a tornado spin. She doesn't have any restrictions on what can happen in an instant except her imagination.

Storm just has to think and bolts rain down in an instant. Cyke has to look and let loose. And if he wants a full force blast, he has to take his visor off also like below. I think Storm's definitely got the advantage in speed here.

While your post is very logical (really it is), there are some things that must be remembered/considered.

1. They start off only 90 feet from each other. Scott can blast her before her muscles even begin the push from the ground to jump away.

2. Scott's beam travel insanely fast, at what appear to be near-light speeds. She's not dodging from that distance.

3. Scott hardly ever misses. His aim is dead on 99.9999999% of the time.

4. His visor is opened psionically nowadays, so there is no need for him to reach up and open it manually. He basically just looks at her with the thought of his visor opening, and ZARK! She's dead.

5. Scott knows what she's going to do, having worked with her for as long as he has, and being the bext tactician of the X-men will do that for ya.

So, when you factor all those in, Scott definitely has the advantage here.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
1. They start off only 90 feet from each other. Scott can blast her before her muscles even begin the push from the ground to jump away.
2. Scott's beam travel insanely fast, at what appear to be near-light speeds. She's not dodging from that distance.
3. Scott hardly ever misses. His aim is dead on 99.9999999% of the time.
4. His visor is opened psionically nowadays, so there is no need for him to reach up and open it manually. He basically just looks at her with the thought of his visor opening, and ZARK! She's dead.
5. Scott knows what she's going to do, having worked with her for as long as he has, and being the bext tactician of the X-men will do that for ya.

So, when you factor all those in, Scott definitely has the advantage here.

I'm tempted to look through my comics and see if Scott has missed with his optic blasts. I'm pretty sure he has, but now that you mentioned it, I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
With respect to #1, even granting your premises, what stops Storm from striking him with a lightning bolt at the same instant? If nothing does stop her, then Scott does not have the advantage of speed. I agree with #2, but for the purposes of dodging something, a lightning bolt's speed, while drastically slower than light speed are still fast enough that an athelete can't avoid itjust the same. #3 poses the same thing as #1, what stops Storm from missing with a bolt of lightning? If nothing, then Scott does not have the advantage of speed. #4, in order to have a really big blast, he still has to take off his visor like he did in my posted picture and in Astonishing X-Men #9. #5, Storm's got the same credentials as Scott and if it is lower, neither effects their advantage of speed. Granting your premises, nobody has the advantage of speed here then. Which, after considering your posts, even I would agree with in the end. Draw.

I'm tempted to look through my comics and see if Scott has missed with his optic blasts. I'm pretty sure he has, but now that you mentioned it, I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

* seeing the writers ploy Cyke to miss a target, is stupid... his damn shot comes from his eyes, for Cyke to miss a target is plain stupid... stupid writers... 😠

But really Storm needs to summon the lightning and aim it and fire. Cyclops will automatically be looking at her and all he has to think is "Open" and the beams will fire. But yeah its really who draws first that decides who wins and I just give an extremely small advantage to Cyclops thats all.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
But really Storm needs to summon the lightning and aim it and fire. Cyclops will automatically be looking at her and all he has to think is "Open" and the beams will fire. But yeah its really who draws first that decides who wins and I just give an extremely small advantage to Cyclops thats all.

Originally posted by peejayd
* seeing the writers ploy Cyke to miss a target, is stupid... his damn shot comes from his eyes, for Cyke to miss a target is plain stupid... stupid writers... 😠

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't think its ridiculous for Cyke to miss either. After all, Superman has missed with his heat vision. If you think anybody wouldn't miss, it'd be Superman. I'll post scans and if I find any of Cyke missing, I'll post those also.

* really... i'm not after, if Cyke misses a target or not... i'm after the stupid writers... 😉 'coz logically, a character who has a power to fire blasts through his eyes will NOT miss a target, getz? 😉

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
With respect to #1, even granting your premises, what stops Storm from striking him with a lightning bolt at the same instant? If nothing does stop her, then Scott does not have the advantage of speed. I agree with #2, but for the purposes of dodging something, a lightning bolt's speed, while drastically slower than light speed are still fast enough that an athelete can't avoid itjust the same. #3 poses the same thing as #1, what stops Storm from missing with a bolt of lightning? If nothing, then Scott does not have the advantage of speed. #4, in order to have a really big blast, he still has to take off his visor like he did in my posted picture and in Astonishing X-Men #9. #5, Storm's got the same credentials as Scott and if it is lower, neither effects their advantage of speed. Granting your premises, nobody has the advantage of speed here then. Which, after considering your posts, even I would agree with in the end. Draw.

I'm tempted to look through my comics and see if Scott has missed with his optic blasts. I'm pretty sure he has, but now that you mentioned it, I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

You do make valid points there, I agree.

Though Scott can, in fact, control the apeture of his visor psionically. So, he doesn't necessarily need a large blast, but perhaps just a tight, concentrated blast through the heart or head of Storm. All this with one thought.

Whose attack effects faster has already been discussed with general consensus being Cyclops. GS conceded the point. The only person still maintaining Storm effects an attack faster is stormfront if I recall.