Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm isn't the faster shooter nor the better marksman, and not in physically better shape.Lets not overrate storm now, its cheap, but cyke is simply faster.
At the end of the day, what evidence have you got to say cyclops is in better shape physically. Thats speculation and comic book appearances certainly dont give you enough to make that assumption.
They are both intensively trained in the use of their powers. Storms lightning powers operate at a third of the speed of light, Cyclopsforce blasts speed is unrevealed. He isnt the faster shooter, he is arguably the better marksman though i'll give you that.
However when you weigh it up Storms powers are psionic based. Cyclops are very physical. After a strategy has been formed, a thought triggers off and manifests lightning from her body.
With Cyclops after hes thought about his strategy he must then physically press one of the buttons that operate his visor, he must then physically direct his blast.
Storms go where she thinks. One less step, all hers are psionic, two of Cyclops steps are physical. Storm wins.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
At the end of the day, what evidence have you got to say cyclops is in better shape physically. Thats speculation and comic book appearances certainly dont give you enough to make that assumption.
No speculation, where is this speculation that storm is in great shape compared to him, or better?
Cyke is in the shape of a highly trained athlete, is a great hand to hands person, fights with his eyes closed numerous times.
If they were in the olympics Cyclops would win.
Period.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
They are both intensively trained in the use of their powers. Storms lightning powers operate at a third of the speed of light, Cyclopsforce blasts speed is unrevealed. He isnt the faster shooter, he is arguably the better marksman though i'll give you that.
Now you are back onto powers, you know I meant shape.
Storm has to get out of the way and use her powers in fear of being struck back.
Cyclops, aim, fire.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
However when you weigh it up Storms powers are psionic based. Cyclops are very physical. After a strategy has been formed, a thought triggers off and manifests lightning from her body.
Cyclops are only physical because he would own storm if he didn't.
Cyclops are less physical than anyones, in fact they are involuntary.
The trigger goes off as fast as it would in earths circumstances.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
With Cyclops after hes thought about his strategy he must then physically press one of the buttons that operate his visor, he must then physically direct his blast.
Storm has to target, summon, and get out of the way, with hope that it hits.
The farther away they are the safer they BOTH are.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Storms go where she thinks. One less step, all hers are psionic, two of Cyclops steps are physical. Storm wins.
Storm wins 4/10, cyke is simply faster, this shouldn't even be questioned.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No speculation, where is this speculation that storm is in great shape compared to him, or better?Cyke is in the shape of a highly trained athlete, is a great hand to hands person, fights with his eyes closed numerous times.
If they were in the olympics Cyclops would win.
Period.
Cyclops would win in some areas due to his sex as men are inherently stronger and faster at physical things, however you have no evidence whatsoever to say hes in better physical shape than her, that shes less fit than he is . Mere speculation which has no value here. If im wrong about you speculating then please post some proof showing how Cyclops is so much fitter Storm. Precisely.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Now you are back onto powers, you know I meant shape.
No you said shes not a better shooter, marksman or in as good a physical shape. Three seperate factors. As their projectiles are mutant power based then if you're referring to their marksman skills and all that entails then of course im going to talk about their powers. You dont have sufficient evidence to make a case for him being physically fitter than Storm and we both know it. Speculation will get you nowhere.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm has to get out of the way and use her powers in fear of being struck back.Cyclops, aim, fire.
So why will Storm have to worry about getting out of the way but Cyclops wont? Has he had a secondary mutation that im unaware of? They will both be thinking of getting out of the way, then they will both make a decision to fire. Storms powers are all psionic she will think it and then her lightning will strike. Cyclops after making his decision has to aim and then he has to operate his visor by pressing one of the buttons. An extra step and both very physical. Storms attack will reach him quicker.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cyclops are only physical because he would own storm if he didn't.Cyclops are less physical than anyones, in fact they are involuntary.
The trigger goes off as fast as it would in earths circumstances.
His visor is standard equipment so your comment is irrelevant. He goes into battle with his visor he will have to go through the steps outlined above. The fact that he has to operate his visor and physically aim (put storm in his line of sight) is less efficient then psionically directing a surge of lightning at Cyclops.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm has to target, summon, and get out of the way, with hope that it hits.
Dealt with above. Cyclops has to go through extra, more cumbersome steps and they BOTH would have to think about getting out of the way. Please a bit ofobjectivity. If the Storm threads are starting to get to you then ignore them.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The farther away they are the safer they BOTH are.
Debatable but i wont argue that point right now.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm wins 4/10, cyke is simply faster, this shouldn't even be questioned.
Objectively speaking thats far from the case. Cyclops is a better marksman. Thats all he has going for him. His visor and its operation lets him down.
storm wins....
all she has to do is summon and move. like galactic has explained, cyke has extra. lightning moves at 60,000 miles per second, he isn;t dodging it. storm has already dodged cykes blasts before when they fought. he was looking straight at her, fired, and she moved out of the way, it can happen again.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cyclops would win in some areas due tohis sex as men are inherently stronger and faster at physical things, however you have no evidence whatsoever to say hes in better physical shape than than her, that shes less fit than he is .
I told you he's in the shape of an athlete, a better fighter, etc.
What have you told me?
He isn't.
Thats speculation
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mere speculation which has no value here. If im wrong about you speculating then please post some proof showing how Cyclops is so much fitter Storm. Precisely.
You just answered my own question.
Contradiction.
Whats that?
To assert or express the opposite of (a statement).
To deny the statement of. See Synonyms at deny.
To be contrary to; be inconsistent with.
v. intr.
To utter a contradictory statement
I'm going to let you find out where you did that yourself though...
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No you said shes not a better shooter, marksman or in as good a physical shape.
She's not, you basically just agreed with me.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Three seperate factors. As their projectiles are mutant power based then if you're referring to their marksman skills and all that entails then of course im going to talk about their powers.
Cyclops has much better control/reaction reflex time with his blasts, the way you describe them yourself entails that to be so. Its so nice of you to answer my own questions for me like this.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You dont have sufficient evidence to make a case for him being physically fitter than Storm and we both know it. Speculation will get you nowhere.
Assuming, and then further contradicting yourself is far worse.
Logically cyclops is faster and stronger, you said so yourself.
He is a better marksman so he will need better reflexes/coordination.
He is more adriot of movement, storm uses winds its psionic , not physical.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So why will Storm have to worry about getting out of the way but Cyclops wont?
Strom will , by your own admission fly and be safe.
Cyke knowing this would blast her before that happened, would he be getting out of the way of her flying to safety? Come on now.
The farther away she is, the safer they BOTH will be.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Has he had a secondary mutation that im unaware of?
REad above AC.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
They will both be thinking of getting out of the way, then they will both make a decision to fire.
You said storm was heading into the air, wierd.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Storms powers are all psionic she will think it and then her lightning will strike.
She still has to target, etc. no different than cyclops.
She just doesn't "touch herself", no pun intended.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cyclops after making his decision has to aim and then he has to operate his visor by pressing one of the buttons. An extra step and both very physical. Storms attack will reach him quicker.
Discussed.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
His visor is standard equipment so your comment is irrelevant. He goes into battle with his visor he will have to go through the steps outlined above.
I was not saying it would, I was explaining why it would be different otherwise.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that he has to operate his visor and physically aim (put storm in his line of sight) is less efficient then psionically directing a surge of lightning at Cyclops.
Storm has to do the same regardless, cyclops is a better marksman.
Ever seen a quickdraw, those take milliseconds, cyclops is a better marksman, this shouldn't even be debated.
Storms powers come out after she targets, and gestures them to.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dealt with above. Cyclops has to go through extra, more cumbersome steps and they BOTH would have to think about getting out of the way. Please a bit ofobjectivity. If the Storm threads are starting to get to you then ignore them.
Don't start this "you're biased" mess here, I'm debating you fact by fact, you are being unrealistic in a theoretical debate.
Same deal with carnae, left out alot of his powers, and assumed that storm had a better reaction time, than someone with superhuman reaction time.
Stop with the "storm pwns all, lightning bolt!!!2" 😛
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Objectively speaking thats far from the case. Cyclops is a better marksman. Thats all he has going for him. His visor and its operation lets him down.
Agreed on the last part, but not on the first.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I told you he's in the shape of an athlete, a better fighter, etc.What have you told me?
He isn't.
Thats speculation
Incorrect. I never once said Cyclops was never in the shape of an athlete. I said until we have evidence that he is so much more fitter than Storm then its mere speculation and therefore has no place in the debate.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You just answered my own question.Contradiction.
Whats that?
To assert or express the opposite of (a statement).
To deny the statement of. See Synonyms at deny.
To be contrary to; be inconsistent with.v. intr.
To utter a contradictory statementI'm going to let you find out where you did that yourself though...
As your grounds for for saying i was speculating and/or contradicting myself were based on a misinterpretaion the above is rendered null and void. To avoid this in the future take better note of the contributions of the opposition.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
She's not, you basically just agreed with me.
By repeating a statement of yours i fail to see how that was the case.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cyclops has much better control/reaction reflex time with his blasts, the way you describe them yourself entails that to be so. Its so nice of you to answer my own questions for me like this.
Cyclops does not have better control over his projectiles. They are involuntary and they can only project in correlation with his line of sight. Storms go where she thinks them. Better reaction/reflex time maybe due to his sex but the fact that his blasts are operated through his visor (a physical process) negates ant benefits his arguably faster reaction times would give him. Ok?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Assuming, and then further contradicting yourself is far worse.
You misread/misinterpreted my post which lead you to falsely accuse me of speculating, therefore this speculation/contradiction nonsense needs to be canned.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He is a better marksman so he will need better reflexes/coordination.He is more adriot of movement, storm uses winds its psionic , not physical.
Strom will , by your own admission fly and be safe
Cyclops is indeed logically faster in terms of reflexes however his need to physically operate his visor and physically (in comparison to storms psionic operations) negates any advantage he would otherwise have.
Storm uses winds to fly away correct however she doesnt need to use them to simply leap out of the way. Dont assume that in every single fight she is going to fly away. It depends on the enemy. Cyclops with his human agility/reflexes/speed would not necessitate her flying out of range from the offset(although its certainly an option)
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cyke knowing this would blast her before that happened, would he be getting out of the way of her flying to safety? Come on now.
That is based on the assumption of yours that she will fly away from Cyclops which is a possibility. Either way Cyclops is not going to stand still on one spot against a foe with such long range and fast acting powers as Storm. He will worry about getting out of the way as well. Think logically. Standing on the spot aiming would leave him a sitting duck. Come on CM.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
She still has to target, etc. no different than cyclops.She just doesn't "touch herself", no pun intended.
Yes but her targetting and resultant exacting is all carried out psionically. Cyclops targets, then has to tell hmself to press either of the two buttons that operate his visor. Unless Cyclops moves at the speed of thought all together that is considerably slower than Storms entirely psionic operations. All speed advantages inherent to his sex take a heavy blow.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm has to do the same regardless, cyclops is a better marksman.Ever seen a quickdraw, those take milliseconds, cyclops is a better marksman, this shouldn't even be debated.
Deal with previously.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storms powers come out after she targets, and gestures them to. [/QUOTEStorm doent have to gesture to operate her powers. You know that. Its just artistic expression. Her powesr are manipulated psionically and are projected from her body or environment to wherever she thinks.
[QUOTE=5098803]Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Don't start this "you're biased" mess here, I'm debating you fact by fact, you are being unrealistic in a theoretical debate.Same deal with carnae, left out alot of his powers, and assumed that storm had a better reaction time, than someone with superhuman reaction time.
Im not being unrealistic at all. All your points have been countered. Youre being unrealistic to think two physical processes wont affect Cyclops natural advantages enough for him to output quicker than storms purely psionic processes.
As for the Carnage thing i never once said that Storm had a better reaction time than him. Id love you to quote me from that thread. When you cant find this fabricated comment id appreciate an apology for the false accussation lol.
Well I think the fight can go either way however when it comes to lightning and it's affects she doesn't have to even hit Cyclops to affect him just within like 15 feet and the electricity still hits you.........
So if Storm can dodge cyclops then I think she can win just due to the nature of electricity.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So you are saying they are in the same physical shape? AFTER you told me he was stronger and faster? Cyclops IS the better marksman, even with the handicap.You are ignoring storms tendencies to fly which is the whole crux of the problem here.
No CM youre not thinking about the situation relatively. As a man Cyclops is inherently stronger and faster than Storm physically, that however doesnt make him fitter than Storm, in better physical shape than Storm.
Im not ignoring Storms tendencies to fly. You're ignoring her ability to assess a situation and decide on an appropriate course of action.
Either way whether she flies or merely dodges, Cyclops will not stand around aiming like a sitting duck. They will both be evasive and move around as they attack or before. Its a course of action they'll both take.
Originally posted by soleran30I can go with that.
Well I think the fight can go either way however when it comes to lightning and it's affects she doesn't have to even hit Cyclops to affect him just within like 15 feet and the electricity still hits you.........So if Storm can dodge cyclops then I think she can win just due to the nature of electricity.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No CM youre not thinking about the situation relatively. As a man Cyclops is inherently stronger and faster than Storm physically, that however doesnt make him fitter than Storm, in better physical shape than Storm.Im not ignoring Storms tendencies to fly. You're ignoring her ability to assess a situation and decide on an appropriate course of action.
Either way whether she flies or merely dodges, Cyclops will not stand around aiming like a sitting duck. They will both be evasive and move around as they attack or before. Its a course of action they'll both take.
Cyclops has the decision making down to a t there.
Is storm a better fighter, no? stronger, no. take away her winds and all her powers, and give cyclops eyesight like a normal person, and you are going to tell me their physicality is comparable?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cyclops has the decision making down to a t there.Is storm a better fighter, no? stronger, no. take away her winds and all her powers, and give cyclops eyesight like a normal person, and you are going to tell me their physicality is comparable?
You still dont seem to grasp what im saying and how you're previous statements were flawed. Ok as a man im physically stronger and faster than my sister, however my sis goes to the gym more than i do. Because of my inherent advantages does that make me physically fitter than my sister?
As for Cyclops being a better fighter, given Storms h2h showings on panel thats highly debatable. Its all speculation until you actually see them have a proper h2h match against each other and therefore has no merit here.
This was already done. It was a big fight of Storm's supporters, Stormfront, saying Storm would more likely dodge Cyclops' attack then hit him with electricity because of an event that happened when Cyclops wanted to quit the team way back when they were teenagers or the group first formed or something.
Cyclops supporters were saying he'd dodge Storm's electricity and hit Storm because of a scan provided in the thread of him doing exactly that when they were more experienced later down the line.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
This was already done. It was a big fight of Storm's supporters, Stormfront, saying Storm would more likely dodge Cyclops' attack then hit him with electricity because of an event that happened when Cyclops wanted to quit the team way back when they were teenagers or the group first formed or something.Cyclops supporters were saying he'd dodge Storm's electricity and hit Storm because of a scan provided in the thread of him doing exactly that when they were more experienced later down the line.
But before noone took into consideration Cyclops visor and its operation. People are talking reflexes here but are not looking at the visor as a factor.
Cyclops is not faster.
He runs.
Storm can use the speed of win. I think that's pretty fast.
Oh, yeah, I went there.
I keep seeing this stuff about Storm having to dodge. What about Cyclops, is he ammune to her powers or something. I don't think so. He would be dodging also.
Storms faster. Her powers more effiecient and she would win. All Hands Down.
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Cyclops is not faster.He runs.
Storm can use the speed of win. I think that's pretty fast.
Oh, yeah, I went there.I keep seeing this stuff about Storm having to dodge. What about Cyclops, is he ammune to her powers or something. I don't think so. He would be dodging also.
Storms faster. Her powers more effiecient and she would win. All Hands Down.
I like your sig. The picture on the right of your sig. Have you got the full, original image by any chance? 😄
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
This was already done. It was a big fight of Storm's supporters, Stormfront, saying Storm would more likely dodge Cyclops' attack then hit him with electricity because of an event that happened when Cyclops wanted to quit the team way back when they were teenagers or the group first formed or something.Cyclops supporters were saying he'd dodge Storm's electricity and hit Storm because of a scan provided in the thread of him doing exactly that when they were more experienced later down the line.
in the picture, storm was flying, and wasn't summoning ligthning. when she shoots electricity from her fingers, it doesn't travel as fast as when she summons it. storm wins this...