Cyclops vs. Storm

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You still dont seem to grasp what im saying and how you're previous statements were flawed. Ok as a man im physically stronger and faster than my sister, however my sis goes to the gym more than i do. Because of my inherent advantages does that make me physically fitter than my sister?

As for Cyclops being a better fighter, given Storms h2h showings on panel thats highly debatable. Its all speculation until you actually see them have a proper h2h match against each other and therefore has no merit here.

You aren't grasping that, cyclops is an athlete, look it up, and look up the word.

It isn't speculation, this is a theoretical match, I'm using whats presented by the character to make a logical decision.

So if gambit was vs galactus, would you say that galactus winning is mere speculation? That held little merit?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm relies on psionics and extra powers to aid her, cyclops is alot more physically involved. THAT makes him physically fitter than strom.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You aren't grasping that, cyclops is an athlete, look it up, and look up the word.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It isn't speculation, this is a theoretical match, I'm using whats presented by the character to make a logical decision.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So if gambit was vs galactus, would you say that galactus winning is mere speculation?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wouldn't that logic lead one to beleive that Characters like Wolverine and batman are more physically fit than characters that rely more on their powers like Spiderman or Superman?

No obviously.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What sport is he trained to play?

Look up athlete, I'm one of the most athletic kids in my school and didn't bother with sports.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean like the time where Storm was able to snatch the visor from cyclops, while she had no powers?

You want to play this?

Cyke beats the minor squad of xmen, alone.

Cyke beats on wolverine with no weapons.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, Gambit is more physically activeso obviously he's stronger and faster and therefore that makes him the better fighter. . . 😉

Speculation on whether he would win?

Nope.

This was pointless, no offense, but I'm a bit busy, I want to get back to the subject at hand.

You all seem to forget that in an all out fight, cyclops would not really need to aim. If he was in survival mode, it would be visor off(like 2/10 of a second)....storm can't dodge that...period.

However, I vote that they kill each other simultaneously. They would both fire their biggest blast/windlightningafricandragon whatever and the X-Men would be no more.If it wasn't tie though, Cyke wins everytime. I mean....he hit Phoenix(see pic) for crying out loud...he could hit storm.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No obviously.

Superman and Spiderman don't have to exert themselves very often. Which means that since they rely more on their powers Batman and Wolverine are more physically involved.

Just like storm obviously relys more on her powers, so Cyclops is more physically invovled. 🙂

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Look up athlete, I'm one of the most athletic kids in my school and didn't bother with sports.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You want to play this?

Cyke beats the minor squad of xmen, alone.

Cyke beats on wolverine with no weapons.

Oh yes because Wolverine is spiderman and Storm is a minor squad of X-men. . . Or you know since they aren't your analogies have no place here. 😉

When did Cyclops beat wolverine h2h? 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Speculation on whether he would win?

Nope.

This was pointless, no offense, but I'm a bit busy, I want to get back to the subject at hand.

Obviously Galactus doesn't rely on physical activity more than gambit. so that means that gambit is more physically fit, so is then stronger, faster and a better fighter.

Right? since after all

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm relies on psionics and extra powers to aid her, cyclops is alot more physically involved. THAT makes him physically fitter than strom.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
As for Cyclops being a better fighter, given Storms h2h showings on panel thats highly debatable. Its all speculation until you actually see them have a proper h2h match against each other and therefore has no merit here.

Without their powers Gambit would whoop up on Galactus. . . right?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Superman and Spiderman don't have to exert themselves very often. Which means that since they rely more on their powers Batman and Wolverine are more physically involved.

Spiderman relies on his body more, and his body is superior anyways, seeing as cyke and storm aren't superhumanly fit, and cyke uses his body more, that would lead one to believe that he is in better physical conditioning/ practice.

Answer my question, if they were to lose their powers and compete in the olympics, who would win?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Just like storm obviously relys more on her powers, so Cyclops is more physically invovled. 🙂

No its the nature of her powers.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I did look it up. Did you?

Stop this.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh yes because Wolverine is spiderman and Storm is a minor squad of X-men. . . Or you know since they aren't your analogies have no place here. 😉

Accusations that you and your "teammate" are throwing around without using any common sense when you answer them isn't really getting us anywhere.

Originally posted by Creshosk
When did Cyclops beat wolverine h2h? 😕

He gave him trouble in hand2hand before in ultimates, and again in 616.

If you think storm can do the same without her powers, well...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Obviously Galactus doesn't rely on physical activity more than gambit. so that means that gambit is more physically fit, so is then stronger, faster and a better fighter.

Right? since after all

Had nothing to do with my point, you just wasted your time here, i was countering speculation.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Without their powers Gambit would whoop up on Galactus. . . right?

Stop arguing for the sake of it, before I put you in time out. 😉

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
cyke uses his body more, that would lead one to believe that he is in better physical conditioning/ practice.

And how do you know who uses their body more? 😉

* geez, power-wise, Cyke wins...
* hand to hand combat, Cyke wins...
* as simp as that...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like Gambit uses his more than Galactus? 😄

And how do you know who uses their body more? 😉

How do you think I'd know, is storm a constant fighter, answer my question with an answer.

Powers, no holds barred. Cyclops would win more often than not. It's as simple as taking his visor off.
H2H only. Still Cyclops.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Actually i think Storm will be able to strike first. Given that all she has to do to throw a lightning bolt his way is decide on that strategy, then think about it, whereas Cyclops has to decide on his strategy, press the button in his palm(or the one on the side of his visor) and then physically direct his blast. Storm has one less step her powers manifest through psionic manipulation , Cyclops has to work his visor and direct his beams physically. Storm wins more often than not.

Wow.

That was brilliant, GS. I commend you, seriously. I have never before, in all my life, seen someone take that split second gesture of Cyke's and stretch it out to make it sound like several minutes. Kudos.

But seriously now. There won't be any unnecessary strategy-thinking on Cyke's part. Cyclops just needs to look at her. And he'll easily be able to do so. She's standing 90 feet from him. His hand will already be on his visor/hand switch, where it always is when he's preparing for a battle/in battle.

I know lightning is fast, just not as fast as the length of time it would take for him to shoot her down. I know how Storm works, too. She would have to think about the attack and then mentally call down the lightning. The moment the lightning is forming and JUST about to strike, Cyke has already shot a beach ball-sized hole through her. You make it sound as if his aiming will take him forever to do. Wherever he looks, he hits.

Cyclops wins 8/10.

Hand to hand, Cyke would mop the floor with her. I'd give him 10/10 hand to hand.

I know she took his visor off, which clearly severely crippled him. Hell, if I took his visor away, I'd win the fight, too.

this thread shows how people are ignorant. storm only has to think of a lighning bolt, and it comes. it literally is instantley.lightning moves at 60,000 miles per second, he can;t dodge that. to hit her first, he would have to have enhanced reflexes, and he doesn't. he has to make the decision if he wants to take off his visor or shoot, then either do one of the 2. then his blast takes time to hit her. when they fought, he shot on target at her, and she dodged. if she didn't move, then he would have hit her, but his blast isn't very, very fast. it's slower than a bullet, and storm has shown on many occasions that she can dodge machine gun fire frokm trained officials. recently in uncanny she has done so. also, people highly underestimate storms fighting ability. if anything they are equal in fighting ability. I'd say that she betas him h2h. she has more expierence than him, and has been training more than he has. recently, she has even suprised wolverine with her fighting abilities. she also took on brockwall, super sabre, and another person with super speed, and took out 2 of them, and was close to the third without her powers. one of them was like the blob, and couldn;t be knocked over, yet she still did it. another was a better version of captain america, though he couldn't fight as well, she beat him, and she gave the one with super-speed trouble. all three of these men were great fighters, and were world war 2 veterans, and she took them all on at once. she has even suprised sabertooth and knocked him on his ass. also, when she was like 12, she killed a man because he tried to rape her. she was 12, and killed a man triple her strength and size. and has anyone read her mini-series, or the arena? storm did a lot of h2h fighting in that. she has killed both marrow and callisto in h2h combat. everyone really underestimates her fighting ability.

Originally posted by stormfront13
this thread shows how people are ignorant. storm only has to think of a lighning bolt, and it comes. it literally is instantley.lightning moves at 60,000 miles per second, he can;t dodge that. to hit her first, he would have to have enhanced reflexes, and he doesn't. he has to make the decision if he wants to take off his visor or shoot, then either do one of the 2. then his blast takes time to hit her. when they fought, he shot on target at her, and she dodged. if she didn't move, then he would have hit her, but his blast isn't very, very fast. it's slower than a bullet, and storm has shown on many occasions that she can dodge machine gun fire frokm trained officials. recently in uncanny she has done so. also, people highly underestimate storms fighting ability. if anything they are equal in fighting ability. I'd say that she betas him h2h. she has more expierence than him, and has been training more than he has. recently, she has even suprised wolverine with her fighting abilities. she also took on brockwall, super sabre, and another person with super speed, and took out 2 of them, and was close to the third without her powers. one of them was like the blob, and couldn;t be knocked over, yet she still did it. another was a better version of captain america, though he couldn't fight as well, she beat him, and she gave the one with super-speed trouble. all three of these men were great fighters, and were world war 2 veterans, and she took them all on at once. she has even suprised sabertooth and knocked him on his ass. also, when she was like 12, she killed a man because he tried to rape her. she was 12, and killed a man triple her strength and size. and has anyone read her mini-series, or the arena? storm did a lot of h2h fighting in that. she has killed both marrow and callisto in h2h combat. everyone really underestimates her fighting ability.

I have read Arena. In fact, I have it. And yes, she shows exceptional fighting skills, I'm not taking that away from her.

And what is this Storm has more training and experience than Cyclops? I'm not even going to answer that, that's just dumb.

And when did Cyke's optic blasts become slower than a bullet? I don't recall that in slightest.

So Storm's lightning hits instantaneously? Well, with Scott's finger on the visor already, his blast will hit instantaneously as well. No one's showing ignorance.

So what you're saying is they kill each other? Because that is a very legitimate answer, and makes a lot of sense.

Storm, can scott dodge a lightining bolt or how is he gonna hit her when she can use wind to counter his blast or make it slower

Originally posted by Droopy
Storm, can scott dodge a lightining bolt or how is he gonna hit her when she can use wind to counter his blast or make it slower

Her winds are powerful, no doubt, but blackhole strength they ain't.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I have read Arena. In fact, I have it. And yes, she shows exceptional fighting skills, I'm not taking that away from her.

And what is this Storm has more training and experience than Cyclops? I'm not even going to answer that, that's just dumb.

And when did Cyke's optic blasts become slower than a bullet? I don't recall that in slightest.

So Storm's lightning hits instantaneously? Well, with Scott's finger on the visor already, his blast will hit instantaneously as well. No one's showing ignorance.

So what you're saying is they kill each other? Because that is a very legitimate answer, and makes a lot of sense.

storm has been fighting and training since she was 6, cyke has not been fighting h2h that long. IMO they are slower than a bullet, or close to the same speed because cyke has shot on target at storm times before, and she has dodged. same with a bullet. yeah, it comes down from the sky instantley, and it takes less than a second to hit it's target. scotts finger is already on the visor? so now we have to give scott advantages to win this fight? hardly seems fair. while we're giving characters advantages, why don't give storm a pressure dome as well. i am saying that they either kill eachother, or storm wins. storm will be expecting a blast, and cyke will be expecting a lightning bolt, but the difference is cyke is to slow to dodge a lightning bolt, where as storm has already dodged cykes blasts in the past. unless cyke takes off his visor, which will take more time, storm has a chance to dodge his initial blast.

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm has been fighting and training since she was 6, cyke has not been fighting h2h that long. IMO they are slower than a bullet, or close to the same speed because cyke has shot on target at storm times before, and she has dodged. same with a bullet. yeah, it comes down from the sky instantley, and it takes less than a second to hit it's target. scotts finger is already on the visor? so now we have to give scott advantages to win this fight? hardly seems fair. while we're giving characters advantages, why don't give storm a pressure dome as well. i am saying that they either kill eachother, or storm wins. storm will be expecting a blast, and cyke will be expecting a lightning bolt, but the difference is cyke is to slow to dodge a lightning bolt, where as storm has already dodged cykes blasts in the past. unless cyke takes off his visor, which will take more time, storm has a chance to dodge his initial blast.

I'm giving him no advantage. When there's a battle afoot, he's always got his hand on his visor. He knows that split seconds can mean the difference between life and death. I don't recall seeing him prepared for a battle without his hand on his visor.

Cyclops has been training in hand to hand since he was in his early teens. Maybe it's not 6 years old, but his training is far more extensive.

I can live with "they kill each other'. Though, in my opinion, if they don't kill each other Scott wins more oten.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm giving him no advantage. When there's a battle afoot, he's always got his hand on his visor. He knows that split seconds can mean the difference between life and death. I don't recall seeing him prepared for a battle without his hand on his visor.

Cyclops has been training in hand to hand since he was in his early teens. Maybe it's not 6 years old, but his training is far more extensive.

I can live with "they kill each other'. Though, in my opinion, if they don't kill each other Scott wins more oten.

no he doesn't. he fights all the time with no hand on visor. I have seen plenty of times where before a battle started, he had his hands at his sides. letting him have his hands on his visor is an advantage because he doesn't fight that way all the time. if you do that, then you should let storm start with a pressure field, or flying in the sky to make it fair. it isn't more extensive. storm expierenced fighting first hand. when cyke was training, she was already out kicking ass. there are more feats storm has done h2h, then there are for cyke. a lot more. storm would kill cyke, easy. his body can't handle being struck by a lightning bolt. he would either die, or be unconsious. those are his options since he isn't fast enough to dodge a natural bolt. storm on the other hand can dodge as she has done in the past, or cyke can take off his visor whihc will take more time leaving him more open to attack.

* Storm got high mental powers due to her weather ability, summoning lightning of course, is definitely slower than Cyke turning, looking at her, and blasting the hell out of her, as simp as that...

* hand to hand? Cyke took out 6 thugs with his eyes closed, literally. Storm could never again repeat her "visor-grabbing" technique ever again. in an odd circumstance, Storm could just seduce Cyke with her incredible physique, to distract and defeat him... hehehe...