Cyclops vs. Storm

Originally posted by HandOfFate
IMHO, it's not SvFL. SvFL deals with a situation where a character defeats an opponent who is totally out of his/her league.

Storm did not defeat the Surfer. She merely caused him some discomfort for a couple of seconds. Surfer adjusted to the attack and the battle is over.

Is it a cool feat for Storm, I would say “Yes”
Is it a feat that puts her in the Surfer’s league, I would say “Hell No”

thank you thats all im saying. just didnt know how to get that out lol.

but storm has defeated a herald of galactus before though. so im not sure if she is hell no type of weak.

Originally posted by stormfront
i have proved that strenght=durability. read my post. you have given a strong enough counter for it.

durability:
basically durability is the longevity of how long something last.

can your face take a direct explosion. no? because it isnt strong enough to withstand the force and debris of whatever exploded. your face isnt durable enough to take that type of damage.

no, storm isnt stronger than surfer. stop trying to make it seem as though i do. any one that knows storm know she can take her own blast and survive and that she is immune to her own or natural weather effects.

You didn't you only said Callisto is more durable because she's physically stronger as in strength equals durability. I have proven that wrong by showing you the Scott vs Sentinel scan.

You're right, my face probably can't, but the thing is that Scott is way more durable than me and he could take it.

That tactic won't even work here since she isn't trying to kill him or anything.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You're right, my face probably can't, but the thing is that Scott is way more durable than me and he could take it.

LOL, in truth all comicbook characters (un-enhanced human) are more durable then most real humans.

Punisher anyone

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You didn't you only said Callisto is more durable because she's physically stronger as in strength equals durability. I have proven that wrong by showing you the Scott vs Sentinel scan.

You're right, my face probably can't, but the thing is that Scott is way more durable than me and he could take it.

That tactic won't even work here since she isn't trying to kill him or anything.

callist's strenght beats scotts. so she can handle something like that better than he can. i also said that an explosion on his face is different from being hit with something that would be equal to blunt force object.

he is a human.. scott summers is a human. just like you. nothing in his profile says he has enhanced physical resistance. nothing in his profile says he can take more than a regular human. the sentinal didnt explode his head did it? no it didnt sir. a body builder who is far stronger than him cant even take an explosion to the face. why? because they are human and cannot survive an explosion that close to the face.

she doent have to use this tactic. but she will not sit back and let him kill her. im sure is the fight got to the point of them trying to kill eachother she would use multiple method that could kill him.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
IMHO, it's not SvFL. SvFL deals with a situation where a character defeats an opponent who is totally out of his/her league.

Storm did not defeat the Surfer. She merely caused him some discomfort for a couple of seconds. Surfer adjusted to the attack and the battle is over.

Is it a cool feat for Storm, I would say “Yes”
Is it a feat that puts her in the Surfer’s league, I would say “Hell No”

trying to claim it had any significant effect on him is SvFL, though, which was my point.

Originally posted by stormfront
i havent passed judgement on you, because i beleive that judging someone is wrong especially when you dont know them.

my arguement is still solid, you act as if you dont like her so i take it as such. if it walks like a duck, it...(im not calling you a duck btw)

i have seem many arguements on these forums where a person has given one scan of proof for a character and in the arguement that person was congratualated... even by a mod... im not complaining about the mods, because if i was i would have been said something about the mods. you guys decided to bring the forum rules in on me so i said what was on my mind.

i have no prob getting to know people on here, but obviously debates like these tend to make people look like enemies.. i like all of these people and respect their opinions, because after all this is just friendly debate.. well to me at least

i have no issue with storm. just because i don't agree with a few panels of hers, doesn't mean i hate her. i do the same with plenty of characters i like.

surfer IS out of her league, as evidenced by decades of comics. one or two odd panels doesn't contradict years of showings.

give me an example, then, of this mod thing. i'm genuinely asking.

Originally posted by stormfront
callist's strenght beats scotts. so she can handle something like that better than he can. i also said that an explosion on his face is different from being hit with something that would be equal to blunt force object.

he is a human.. scott summers is a human. just like you. nothing in his profile says he has enhanced physical resistance. nothing in his profile says he can take more than a regular human. the sentinal didnt explode his head did it? no it didnt sir. a body builder who is far stronger than him cant even take an explosion to the face. why? because they are human and cannot survive an explosion that close to the face.

she doent have to use this tactic. but she will not sit back and let him kill her. im sure is the fight got to the point of them trying to kill eachother she would use multiple method that could kill him.

You think a human can get slapped in the face by a sentinel and still live, let alone remain conscious? Strength is not durability, you have let to prove this, you've only said Callisto is stronger so she can take more.

The point is that neither would try to kill the other no matter how long this fight went on. Their not going to throw years of friendship away just because the other won't stay down. NEITHER OF THEM WILL TRY TO KILL THE OTHER AT ALL IN THIS SCENARIO.

Also, just so we're clear?

Strength does not always equal durability.

Ultimate Colossus, Juggernaut, Superman, The Hulk, etc. all have varying strengths and durabilities.

You need to prove that a character is equal on both counts.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You think a human can get slapped in the face by a sentinel and still live, let alone remain conscious? Strength is not durability, you have let to prove this, you've only said Callisto is stronger so she can take more.

The point is that neither would try to kill the other no matter how long this fight went on. Their not going to throw years of friendship away just because the other won't stay down. NEITHER OF THEM WILL TRY TO KILL THE OTHER AT ALL IN THIS SCENARIO.

ok stop trying to make it seem like im forcing this. im only replying to you because you keep saying i havent prooved anything.

im done trying to prove the obvious to you. i given my proof and you dont accept the common sense of it.

Originally posted by stormfront
ok stop trying to make it seem like im forcing this. im only replying to you because you keep saying i havent prooved anything.

im done trying to prove the obvious to you. i given my proof and you dont accept the common sense of it.

Common sense? See the above post, well below.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Also, just so we're clear?

Strength does not always equal durability.

Ultimate Colossus, Juggernaut, Superman, The Hulk, etc. all have varying strengths and durabilities.

You need to prove that a character is equal on both counts.

Thor has way better strength feats than Juggernaut and Thanos, yet those two are more durable than him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Also, just so we're clear?

Strength does not always equal durability.

Ultimate Colossus, Juggernaut, Superman, The Hulk, etc. all have varying strengths and durabilities.

You need to prove that a character is equal on both counts.

so your saying scotts skin and bones can withstand an explosion?

the blunt and sudden impact from a sentinal would cause the princess diana effect on a human body. princess diana died because when she hit the seat in front of her her heart exploded from the sudden and hard impact. scott, being a male with extensive training vs diana being a frail woman with no extensive training. he would survive a blow from a sentinal.

oh a for the record. im not saying a sentinal equals a car crash. im using it as an example of what the impact would have dont to scotts body had he been a frail human.

stott isnt an enhanced human but his body is used to fighting and impacts of the sorts.. but my point is he cannot even with is training live through an explosion directly on his face.

visor on his face
visor explodes
the force from the explosion
causes his head to rapidly snap back
the heat
cause burning, destroying his flesh and his eyes.
the debris penetrates his skull and the force applied to the debris cause his skull to shatter.

i hope that helped out

Originally posted by stormfront
so your saying scotts skin and bones can withstand an explosion?

no, i didn't say that.

the blunt and sudden impact from a sentinal would cause the princess diana effect on a human body. princess diana died because when she hit the seat in front of her her heart exploded from the sudden and hard impact. scott, being a male with extensive training vs diana being a frail woman with no extensive training. he would survive a blow from a sentinal.

sentinels are class 60. no matter how well trained scott is. he's not surviving the impact of 60 tons of force, or even half that. comic characters that are simply human often survive things they shouldn't. its the law of comics. look at batman, captain america (though granted he does have a bit of a boost), gambit, nightwing etc etc

stott isnt an enhanced human but his body is used to fighting and impacts of the sorts.. but my point is he cannot even with is training live through an explosion directly on his face.

visor on his face
visor explodes
the force from the explosion
causes his head to rapidly snap back
the heat
cause burning, destroying his flesh and his eyes.
the debris penetrates his skull and the force applied to the debris cause his skull to shatter.

i hope that helped out

are you still talking about detonating the visor? there's no proof she can do that, unless i missed that issue.

Originally posted by stormfront
so your saying scotts skin and bones can withstand an explosion?

the blunt and sudden impact from a sentinal would cause the princess diana effect on a human body. princess diana died because when she hit the seat in front of her her heart exploded from the sudden and hard impact. scott, being a male with extensive training vs diana being a frail woman with no extensive training. he would survive a blow from a sentinal.

oh a for the record. im not saying a sentinal equals a car crash. im using it as an example of what the impact would have dont to scotts body had he been a frail human.

stott isnt an enhanced human but his body is used to fighting and impacts of the sorts.. but my point is he cannot even with is training live through an explosion directly on his face.

visor on his face
visor explodes
the force from the explosion
causes his head to rapidly snap back
the heat
cause burning, destroying his flesh and his eyes.
the debris penetrates his skull and the force applied to the debris cause his skull to shatter.

i hope that helped out

Again, that's up to you to prove Storm can affect Shi'ar tech.

Originally posted by -Pr-
no, i didn't say that.

sentinels are class 60. no matter how well trained scott is. he's not surviving the impact of 60 tons of force, or even half that. comic characters that are simply human often survive things they shouldn't. its the law of comics. look at batman, captain america (though granted he does have a bit of a boost), gambit, nightwing etc etc

are you still talking about detonating the visor? there's no proof she can do that, unless i missed that issue.

the visor is what this whole durability issue is about.

in that case him being able to survive a class 60 hit, is pure bullshyt and cannot be used.

i will defend for this though... just because it is class 60 does not mean it used its hardest hit on him.

Originally posted by stormfront
the visor is what this whole durability issue is about.

in that case him being able to survive a class 60 hit, is pure bullshyt and cannot be used.

i will defend for this though... just because it is class 60 does not mean it used its hardest hit on him.

yes it can, because comic characters that are supposed to be just human simply aren't. they have higher durability than the average non comic human. they always have. scott's been shot twice in recent years and took f*ck all time to heal. he had a bomb implanted in his chest by bastion that had to be carefully removed. he took a couple of weeks off to heal and was back in action not too long after.

even storm has been hit in the head with a brick and been relatively unharmed.

of course it doesn't, but even if it used half that. that's 30 tons.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Again, that's up to you to prove Storm can affect Shi'ar tech.

shiar tech is alien tech.. she has shown the ability to effect alien tech..

but the point isnt can she effect the tech. but its to prove that he wont survive an explosion directly on his face

Originally posted by stormfront
shiar tech is alien tech.. she has shown the ability to effect alien tech..

but the point isnt can she effect the tech. but its to prove that he wont survive an explosion directly on his face

the explosion won't happen unless she can affect the tech. saying they're both alien tech is far from proof.

that's also assuming scott's visor can even explode.

Originally posted by stormfront
the visor is what this whole durability issue is about.

in that case him being able to survive a class 60 hit, is pure bullshyt and cannot be used.

i will defend for this though... just because it is class 60 does not mean it used its hardest hit on him.

I thought the sentinels were always out to kill mutants.

He's taken blows from Colossus who is over class 60 so that's two instances 😄

You also forgot the part where Storm wouldn't try to kill him in this fight.

How about you explain why Storm would want to kill him while both are fighting in character.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I thought the sentinels were always out to kill mutants.

He's taken blows from Colossus who is over class 60 so that's two instances 😄

You also forgot the part where Storm wouldn't try to kill him in this fight.

How about you explain why Storm would want to kill him while both are fighting in character.

that's right. he took a hit from a non holding back colossus and he only broke a couple of ribs.

Originally posted by stormfront
shiar tech is alien tech.. she has shown the ability to effect alien tech..

but the point isnt can she effect the tech. but its to prove that he wont survive an explosion directly on his face

French=/=Spanish.

Originally posted by -Pr-
that's right. he took a hit from a non holding back colossus and he only broke a couple of ribs.

And a brick to the face from an unhappy human.