Cyclops vs. Storm

Originally posted by peejayd
* ah, here it is...

http://www.geocities.com/jeangrey1021/cyclops/cyclops.html

Cyclops has the power to absorb vast solar energies and release it as powerful optical energy blasts. When he wants to generate an optic energy blast, he opens the visor. In the early days of the X-Men, the visor was controlled by switches on either side. Later it became thought-controlled, enabling him to fire his optic energy beams without needing his hands to open the visor. Cyclops has also exhibited the ability to fire pinpoint beams for more surgical operations like breaking a lock or hitting a very small target. In one instance, he even used his optic beams to break a teammate's fall by firing rhythmic blasts beneath him. While this resulted in a painful descent for the teammate, he prevented him from getting seriously injured or possibly killed. When Cyclops needs to inflict a maximum-strength strike, he is able to release awesome amounts of energy with his optic blasts. These blasts are quite deadly to non-powered individuals and could easily kill a normal human. He is well aware of this fact and exhibits extreme caution with his ruby quartz glasses or visor on all occasions. Against super-powered human or mutant opponents, Cyclops' optic energy blasts are very formidable. For some strange reason, Mr. Sinister is unusually susceptible to Cyclops' powers. At full power these beams can punch through mountains. He has an uncanny ability to compute trigonometric relations, which allows him to bounce his optic blasts with incredible accuracy. He has invulnerability to his own power and that of Havok. Due to a brain injury, Cyclops is unable to shut off his optic blasts at will and must therefore wear a visor or glasses with ruby quartz lenses that block the beams.

I dont recall ever seeing Cyclops firing a blasts in his comics without using the buttons to operate his visor. The latest handbook bio which i posted disagrees with what you claim as does the marvel directory entry which you puzzlingly posted as support for your your claims. When you have posted scans which clearly show or state that Cyclops can operate his visor via thought and not through the buttons then i will reconsider my stance. No problem.

As it stands the psionic field allows Cyclops to decide the intensity of each blast, he then has to aim (line up Storm with his line of sight) and then he must physically operate his visor through either one of the aforementioned buttons so that the blast can be emitted.

Storm psionically decides the intensity, then with a thought projects an electrical discharge to Cyclops location. Storms electrical phenomena can all be generated by her body. There is no necessary "summoning" as some of you wrongly claim.

Gambit wins

...Why wouldn't Cyclops already be looking at her...?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
This is the [b]Comic Book vs Forum... [/B]

and..............

don't get ahead of yourselves, because you are not right.

I on the other hand must deal with this problem daily.

Originally posted by peejayd
* or you can post us links of websites for your proofs... well, if you have none, hmmm... you just talk the talk...

You need to rewrite this statement or something because it has some problems with the writing part.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont recall ever seeing Cyclops firing a blasts in his comics without using the buttons to operate his visor. The latest handbook bio which i posted disagrees with what you claim as does the marvel directory entry which you puzzlingly posted as support for your your claims. When you have posted scans which clearly show or state that Cyclops can operate his visor via thought and not through the buttons then i will reconsider my stance. No problem.

As it stands the psionic field allows Cyclops to decide the intensity of each blast, he then has to aim (line up Storm with his line of sight) and then he must physically operate his visor through either one of the aforementioned buttons so that the blast can be emitted.

Storm psionically decides the intensity, then with a thought projects an electrical discharge to Cyclops location. Storms electrical phenomena can all be generated by her body. There is no necessary "summoning" as some of you wrongly claim.

In an old x-men vs avengers comic, all he had to do was stand a certain way to blast...

damn i need to find that issue...

and po, this is for comic books... animated shows and movies cant be considered...

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
and..............

don't get ahead of yourselves, because you are not right.

I on the other hand must deal with this problem daily.

READ:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html

Originally posted by Creshosk
READ:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html

o......k.a.............y...........

Originally posted by pr1983
In an old x-men vs avengers comic, all he had to do was stand a certain way to blast...

damn i need to find that issue...

and po, this is for comic books... animated shows and movies cant be considered...

Are you reffering to like the 8th ever issue of x-men or something?

I originally proclaimed that this fight might go either way and is a "who strikes first situation"...I have to revise that...Scott will win!
Why, you ask???
I was reading some of my old X-Men issues and came across the fact, that Cyclops is able to use electricity as power supply as well as sunlight, though it usually causes him discomfort.
So a lightning is not exactly the best way to disable Scott, and since it's Storms fastest attack...

* Cyke wins, as simpas that, dudes...

Originally posted by wannabe
I originally proclaimed that this fight might go either way and is a "who strikes first situation"...I have to revise that...Scott will win!
Why, you ask???
I was reading some of my old X-Men issues and came across the fact, that Cyclops is able to use electricity as power supply as well as sunlight, though it usually causes him discomfort.
So a lightning is not exactly the best way to disable Scott, and since it's Storms fastest attack...

That is a very different situation Wannabee. Absorbing th eenergy voluntarily at a rate you can handle is completely different to being on the receiving end of a barrge of the stuff.

I think you might be referring to the time on Arkons planet when Storm fed th electricity into Cyclops. Storm fed it into him carefully at a rate he could handle and even then he was great pain because his power is supposed to run off of solar power and is built to do so.

A lightning bolt in an attack situation will do just fine.

Need i post a scan of Cyclops leaping out of the path of a bolt of electricity? 😉

Storm has less steps to go through and her steps are psionic. Cyclops steps are mostly physical and take more time.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Why wouldn't Cyclops already be looking at her...?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Its an unfortunate case of straw pulling, unfortunately I'm at school 12 hrs a day to cure it. 🙁

Cure it? You couldnt even if you tried. Oh yeah you did a few pages back got you nowhere. 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That is a very different situation Wannabee. Absorbing th eenergy voluntarily at a rate you can handle is completely different to being on the receiving end of a barrge of the stuff.

I think you might be referring to the time on Arkons planet when Storm fed th electricity into Cyclops. Storm fed it into him carefully at a rate he could handle and even then he was great pain because his power is supposed to run off of solar power and is built to do so.

A lightning bolt in an attack situation will do just fine.

Need i post a scan of Cyclops leaping out of the path of a bolt of electricity? 😉

Storm has less steps to go through and her steps are psionic. Cyclops steps are mostly physical and take more time.

* this does not make sense? how do Cyke blasting Storm take more time than vice-versa? whereas, Storm needs to summon first... so let's say Storm summons about a second or so, how much time will Cyke spend just twitch his neck, look at Storm and blast her?

Originally posted by peejayd
* this does not make sense? how do Cyke blasting Storm take more time than vice-versa? whereas, Storm needs to summon first... so let's say Storm summons about a second or so, how much time will Cyke spend just twitch his neck, look at Storm and blast her?

Im not repeating myself to someone who hasnt read the thread. Its all laid out for you. 😉

Cyclops directs an attack at Storm purely by looking at her, and he may or may not have to push a trigger which takes all of what? Centiseconds? A decisecond. By appearances his optic blasts travel at or near light speed. If anything he actually requires less conscious thought considering his power is automatically on. Storm has to direct an attack by identifying where he is, creating a weather phenomenon and directing the path of that phenomenon towards him, at which point the attack must travel towards the target. Tell me again how Storm acts phenomenally faster.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Cyclops directs an attack at Storm purely by looking at her, and he may or may not have to push a trigger which takes all of what? Centiseconds? A decisecond. By appearances his optic blasts travel at or near light speed. If anything he actually requires less conscious thought considering his power is automatically on. Storm has to direct an attack by identifying where he is, creating a weather phenomenon and directing the path of that phenomenon towards him, at which point the attack must travel towards the target. Tell me again how Storm acts phenomenally faster.

Incorrect.

Cyclops psionic field is used to help him decide the intensity of the attack. Cyclops must then physically press the trigger for his visor to allow it to emit a beam.

Storm need summon nothing. Her body is capable of creating electrical discharges with a thought. She psionically targets him and then psionically creates a lightning bolt which she thinks in his direction.

Cyclops is let down by his very physical action and you have no evidence whatsoever to state that Cyclops blasts travel at the speed of light. His pressing the trigger may take fractions of a second, however he still has to think to do it and then his body has to actually carry out that thought process. Storms operations up to the blast itself are entirely psionic and therefore inherently faster.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im not repeating myself to someone who hasnt read the thread. Its all laid out for you. 😉

Incorrect.

Cyclops psionic field is used to help him decide the intensity of the attack. Cyclops must then physically press the trigger for his visor to allow it to emit a beam.

Storm need summon nothing. Her body is capable of creating electrical discharges with a thought. She psionically targets him and then psionically creates a lightning bolt which she thinks in his direction.

Cyclops is let down by his very physical action and you have no evidence whatsoever to state that Cyclops blasts travel at the speed of light. His pressing the trigger may take fractions of a second, however he still has to think to do it and then his body has to actually carry out that thought process. Storms operations up to the blast itself are entirely psionic and therefore inherently faster.

* don't know what this dude's trying to pull... 'coz his logic is plain stupid...

* Storm's powers are PSIONIC, dude. psionic like Jean's and Xavier's... needs to think first, needs to summon first... whereas Cyke's got to do is open the visor, and if you're READING the posts, it's already thought-controlled...

* so how fast does Cyke's blasts travel? how FOOLISHLY slow do you want it to be? never heard of a BLAST that travels slow like you want to imply, dude...

Originally posted by peejayd
* don't know what this dude's trying to pull... 'coz his logic is plain stupid...

Lets get this straight dont try and insult me for having a different opinion to yourself. Thats just plain juvenile and not how we debate around here sonny. Ok?

Originally posted by peejayd
* Storm's powers are PSIONIC, dude. psionic like Jean's and Xavier's... needs to think first, needs to summon first... whereas Cyke's got to do is open the visor, and if you're READING the posts, it's already thought-controlled...

A thought process is considerably faster than a physical one whatever way you look at it. Unless you want to tell me Cyclops suddenly can move at the speed of thought a small action like pressing his trigger is still going to be a lot slower than storms psionic processes. If you know anything about Cyclops you'd know that he must use his psionic field to decide the intensity of his blast before anything. He then has to think to press the trigger his body reacts to that thought process, the beam is then emitted.

Storm targets, psionically decides the intensity and psionically fires.

Originally posted by peejayd
* so how fast does Cyke's blasts travel? how FOOLISHLY slow do you want it to be? never heard of a BLAST that travels slow like you want to imply, dude...

How fast cyclops beams travel is unknown but its ridiculous of you to assume they travel at the speed of light when theyre force blasts and they havent been presented on panel as being that fast.

Know your stuff son before you starting spouting off your ignorant waffle. Away with you ---------->