Cyclops vs. Storm

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
First the field is unconsciously always on and requires conscious thought to bypass. Now it requires consciousness in order to be active? So at all times he's consciously creating a field while he's consciously bypassing it. Again, have fun trying to sell that.

I dont need to sell anything X. Im just relating to you whats stated in the recent bio. I believe ive posted it already have a browse and then come back to me. His field shunts his blasts back to their point of roigin for him to shoot a blast he must psionically focus the field in conjunction with operating the visor. The visor itself is attuned to this psionic field hence the reason it is not destroyed.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Third time: Are you saying there is no default to Cyclop's optic blast - an automated power - in terms of intensity? The entire bane of Cyclop's power is that he to a large extent cannot and does not control his powers.

Ive made it quite clear what im saying. Without his visor if he just opened his eyes there would be a deafault blast however with his visor on which is attuned to his psionic field he must consciously focus the blast in conjunction with operating the visor. Its all in the bio this is not in debate.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
All things must happen "virtually instantaneously" in single panels of comic books.
All things must happen "virtually instantaneously" in single panels of comic books.
All things must happen "virtually instantaneously" in single panels of comic books.

Im going by how the lightning is presented in battle situations on panel thats all you can do. Just like you're making a case for the speed of Cykes optic blasts based on their distribution in a single panel.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Complex thought processes can take more than centiseconds.

One can say the emission of the optic blast happens instantaneously upon trigger as it is pregenerated. The "virtual instantaneous" nature of creating weather phenomenon is disputable.

Going by how fast Storm has been shown to deploy her lightning on panel im satisfied with my line of thinking on this thread.

Focusing the intensity of his blast is a complex thought process as well. On top of that theres the visor operation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont need to sell anything X. Im just relating to you whats stated in the recent bio. I believe ive posted it already have a browse and then come back to me. His field shunts his blasts back to their point of roigin for him to shoot a blast he must psionically focus the field in conjunction with operating the visor. The visor itself is attuned to this psionic field hence the reason it is not destroyed.
Ive made it quite clear what im saying. Without his visor if he just opened his eyes there would be a deafault blast however with his visor on which is attuned to his psionic field he must consciously focus the blast in conjunction with operating the visor. Its all in the bio this is not in debate.

All the bio says is there's an automated field around his body's cells that prevents him from being thrown backwards from the force of the blast and prevents his beams from hurting him. So his eyelids are sufficient to block the force. The width of the blast is also autonomic concurrent with the focusing of his eye. Thus this occurs automatically on seeing Storm. So your whole he must focus the field blah blah blah is nonsense.

You really are going to have to sell that whole "Cyclops consciously has a field around his body at all times and is consciously altering/bypassing that field at all times to allow his optic blasts through." thing.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That is a very different situation Wannabee. Absorbing th eenergy voluntarily at a rate you can handle is completely different to being on the receiving end of a barrge of the stuff.

I think you might be referring to the time on Arkons planet when Storm fed th electricity into Cyclops. Storm fed it into him carefully at a rate he could handle and even then he was great pain because his power is supposed to run off of solar power and is built to do so.

Scott's handling of his visor is as inconsistantly handled by the artists as Emma's telepathy in diamond form, so i will not comment that, but given the fact that he is obviously able to not only survive but USE enormous amounts of electrical energy without being completely incapacitated, i have to give a "high noon duel"-fight to him, even though i LARGELY prefer Ororo.

Emma has no ability to absorb electricity, she's taken Storm's lightning before and kept going.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Umm... that's not what it states in the bio and I'm pretty sure I posted the bio. That's a manipulation/interpretation of the bio that suits you. I suggest you read it again.

All the bio says is there's an automated field around his body's cells that prevents him from being thrown backwards from the force of the blast and prevents his beams from hurting him. So his eyelids are sufficient to block the force. The width of the blast is also autonomic concurrent with the focusing of his eye. Thus this occurs automatically on seeing Storm. So your whole he must focus the field blah blah blah is nonsense.

Cyclops psionic field shunts his blasts back to their point of origin. With his visor on he must his his psionic field in conjunction with the visor to fire a blast.

Originally posted by wannabe
This is a little far fetched, isn't it? 😉
Storm was collecting enough energy to recharge the life supporting energy rings of a WHOLE PLANET, something Thor himself had to do before!
She was releasing the electrical energy almost at once and from the way it was drawn, it was an awful lot (logical, if it has to support a planet)...quote:" fed it into him carefully at a rate he could handle"???
Yes he was in great pain, but who wouldn't, considering the amount of energy released into him AND STILL he was able to focus and shoot his beam precisely into that strange machine.

Scott's handling of his visor is as inconsistantly handled by the artists as Emma's telepathy in diamond form, so i will not comment that, but given the fact that he is obviously able to not only survive but USE enormous amounts of electrical energy without being completely incapacitated, i have to give a "high noon duel"-fight to him, even though i LARGELY prefer Ororo.

I agree...I think cyclops "absorbing" lightning is going to be entirely contengent on the writer.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Emma has no ability to absorb electricity, she's taken Storm's lightning before and kept going.

Was Storm out to kill her though or is that against Storms nature? 😕

* Storm can really generate lightning indoors, right... but that does not mean Cyke loses to her...

* the pics you've shown basically, is Storm discharges electricity from her hands, whilst Cyke's got to do is open his visor...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cyclops psionic field shunts his blasts back to their point of origin. With his visor on he must his his psionic field in conjunction with the visor to fire a blast.

There is no psionic field on the eyes. That's why they're called apertures. Aperture meaning hole. Hole to another dimension. If the field that shunts the force back to it's dimension encompassed his eyes he wouldn't fire optic blasts at all. When he blasts his eyelid or hand the force is shunted back to the other dimension. It's an explanation of why he can't hurt himself and the entire process is automated.

As for the width of the blast that is an autonomic process concurrent to vision.

Originally posted by wannabe
This is a little far fetched, isn't it? 😉
Storm was collecting enough energy to recharge the life supporting energy rings of a WHOLE PLANET, something Thor himself had to do before!
She was releasing the electrical energy almost at once and from the way it was drawn, it was an awful lot (logical, if it has to support a planet)...quote:" fed it into him carefully at a rate he could handle"???
Yes he was in great pain, but who wouldn't, considering the amount of energy released into him AND STILL he was able to focus and shoot his beam precisely into that strange machine.

If Cyclops was still standing afterwards afterwards then of course she was feeding it into him at a rate he could handle. Filtering it into hi ssystem. Why then does Cyclops go out of his way to dodge electrical attacks (i can provide scans if need be) if he could just absorb the energy? Storm feeding energy into him is totally different to him neing attacked with a barrage of the stuff.

Just like Storm herself has been felled herself by having her lightning attacks forcefully shunted back at her person. It wasnt under her control, it wasnt voluntary therefore she couldnt take it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What I stated above and what is written in the bio are congruous. What you stated he has to do and what is written in the bio are not.

There is no psionic field on the eyes. That's why they're called apertures. Aperture meaning hole. Hole to another dimension. If the field that shunts the force back to it's dimension encompassed his eyes he wouldn't fire optic blasts at all. When he blasts his eyelid or hand the force is shunted back to the other dimension. It's an explanation of why he can't hurt himself and the entire process is automated.

As for the width of the blast that is an autonomic process concurrent to vision.

I know that theres no field on the eyes however the psionic field is attuned to the visor which is in front of the eyes. Therefore i fail to see your point. The field enhanced visor helps determine the height of the blast while the psionic field itself focuses the width as stated in the bio.

With the field surrounding the visor as it states he must focus this field for him to emit a blast. Youve changed not a thing

I have no idea what you're talking about. There is nothing about the visor being in tune with his body. Ruby quartz is a substance in resonance with the field that's why they use it to make the lens for the visor. The visor opens and the force goes through...

Your statement on focusing fields is incongruous to the bio you keep referring to.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The field enhanced visor helps determine the height of the blast while the psionic field itself focuses the width as stated in the bio.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
With the field surrounding the visor as it states he must focus this field for him to emit a blast. Youve changed not a thing

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I have no idea what you're talking about. There is nothing about the visor being in tune with his body. Ruby quartz is a substance in resonance with the field that's why they use it to make the lens for the visor. The visor opens and the force goes through...

Your statement on focusing fields is incongruous to the bio you keep referring to.

It says the ruby quartz is resonant with his psionic field therefore they are protected from his energies.

You said that Cyclops consciously focusing his beams wasnt a process he had to go through and by presenting the bio ive supported my case.

He can shoot a blast without focusing but its not something he does

Ruby quartz as a substance is in resonance with that which composes the field. It prevents passage of the optic blast. It doesn't mystically become part of his body when he puts on the visor. The visor opens and optic blast may pass. There is no focusing of any fields involved.

He doesn't consciously focus the beams - that is a basic premise of the character - he cannot control his power. The process of width/intensity control is autonomic. In case you don't know what that means - the process is automated in conjunction with vision.

You've said that the field requires consciousness to be active. That he must consciously bypass the field. That it's an active and separate process determining the width of the field. The bio supports nothing you've tried to assert.

All features of the optic blast likely also have default setting.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ruby quartz as a substance is in resonance with that which composes the field. It prevents passage of the optic blast. It doesn't mystically become part of his body when he puts on the visor. The visor opens and optic blast may pass.

I said that the visor is attuned to his body because as stated the ruby quarts is resonant with the psionic field that surrounds his body.

Cyclops focuses his blasts consciously. Thats all ive been trying to say and thats whats stated. Admittedly there is a default blast but as its unfocused and his field deals with features of the blast such as the width and height he consciously focuses it in battle.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He doesn't consciously focus the beams - that is a basic premise of the character - he cannot control his power. The process of width control [b]is autonomic. In case you don't know what that means - the process is automated in conjunction with vision. [/B]

Cyclops can and does focus his beams as stated in the bio he just cant shut them off . Thats the difference. Its actually stated in his bio that the field focuses the width of his blastst so what are you talking about?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You've said that the field requires consciousness to be active. That he must consciously bypass the field. That it's an active and separate process determining the width of the field. The bio supports nothing you've tried to assert.

No i suggested that as a possibility going by what the bio states the psionic field does and what ive seen of Cyke without a visor. Get it right.

Um... have you read the bio. "Autonomic process" = no conscious thought. Breathing is an autonomic process. Your heart beating is an autonomic process. He's looking at Storm it's focused on Storm.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Um... have you read the bio. "Autonomic process" = no conscious thought. Breathing is an autonomic process. Your heart beating is an autonomic process. He's looking at Storm it's focused on Storm.

Shit!!!! I missed that. 😛 In that case if the focusing isnt determined by conscious thought then yeah i must admit he'll get a blast out before storm in a quick fire draw. 😉

Damn we've been debating for ages over nothing then lol

I hate debates on fights that rely on "who can get one out first"

Originally posted by Wynndar
I hate debates on fights that rely on "who can get one out first"

Btw GS in a well written fight I can see both Cyclops or Storm winning. They're both formidable and capable.