Originally posted by GalacticStormBy virtue of seeing single beams ricochet several times in single panels and seeing optic blasts act in a manner akin to light I take an assumption - so how fast do they travel?
Incorrect.Cyclops psionic field is used to help him decide the intensity of the attack. Cyclops must then physically press the trigger for his visor to allow it to emit a beam.
Storm need summon nothing. Her body is capable of creating electrical discharges with a thought. She psionically targets him and then psionically creates a lightning bolt which she thinks in his direction.
Cyclops is let down by his very physical action and you have no evidence whatsoever to state that Cyclops blasts travel at the speed of light. His pressing the trigger may take fractions of a second, however he still has to think to do it and then his body has to actually carry out that thought process. Storms operations up to the blast itself are entirely psionic and therefore inherently faster.
Cyclops requires a single physical action which I took note of in my post. He aims by action of looking at Storm. His power is automatic. Storm's generation of phenomena requires conscious thought. Also if she's generating lightning herself she normally directs it with a physical gesture.
More time for power generation: Storm - she must create a phenomenon, Cyclops power is automated.
More time for targeting: Storm - she must locate, aim and direct her attack as three different processes. Cyclops locates and aims by sight he doesn't direct as his beam has a straight trajectory.
Slower speed of attack type: Storm - though I'm sure this will be disputed.
Amount of conscious thought processes required: A simple physical action doesn't even require cross talk between different cerebral hemispheres. Whereas Storm must see, target, generate, target, direct, through thought processes. Complex thought processes likely involving large areas of the frontal lobe. I'll leave it to the general populace to decide which is faster.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lets get this straight dont try and insult me for having a different opinion to yourself. Thats just plain juvenile and not how we debate around here sonny. Ok?A thought process is considerably faster than a physical one whatever way you look at it. Unless you want to tell me Cyclops suddenly can move at the speed of thought a small action like pressing his trigger is still going to be a lot slower than storms psionic processes. If you know anything about Cyclops you'd know that he must use his psionic field to decide the intensity of his blast before anything. He then has to think to press the trigger his body reacts to that thought process, the beam is then emitted.
Storm targets, psionically decides the intensity and psionically fires.
How fast cyclops beams travel is unknown but its ridiculous of you to assume they travel at the speed of light when theyre force blasts and they havent been presented on panel as being that fast.
Know your stuff son before you starting spouting off your ignorant waffle. Away with you ---------->
* really, "son"... i don't remember Storm able to generate a single lightning without the sky darkening... oh? is that phenomenon ultra-fast for you?
* accept what logic dictates, "son"... away with you, too --------->
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
By virtue of seeing single beams ricochet several times in single panels and seeing optic blasts act in a manner akin to light I take an assumption - so how fast do they travel?
Who knows how fast they travel. You can pose that same question to virtually all power blasts. What you cant do however is just assume theyre travelling at the speed of light when theyre force blasts and they havent been stated or presented as travelling at that speed. If Cyclops beams were that fast it would have been mentioned by now. It hasnt been. End of.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Cyclops requires a single physical action which I took note of in my post. He aims by action of looking at Storm. His power is automatic. Storm's generation of phenomena requires conscious thought. Also if she's generating lightning herself she normally directs it with a physical gesture. More time for power generation: Storm - she must create a phenomenon, Cyclops power is automated.
More time for targeting: Storm - she must locate, aim and direct her attack as three different processes. Cyclops locates and aims by sight he doesn't direct as his beam has a straight trajectory.
I like the way you're omitting one of Cyclops processes yet you're trying to include an extra unnecessary process for Storm.
Cyclops must psionically determine the intensity of his blasts. How do you think he manages different intensities? Either way thats bot debatable ive already posted a scan from the recent bio so that isnt up for discussion.
He must decide the intensity he must then psionically trigger his hand to press the trigger, his body reacts, the beam is emitted when the visor opens.
Storm psionically targets, decides the intensity, her body generates a charge (virtually instaneous process) storm thinks it in his direction.
Its as simple as that.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
More time for power generation: Storm - she must create a phenomenon, Cyclops power is automated.
More time for targeting: Storm - she must locate, aim and direct her attack as three different processes. Cyclops locates and aims by sight he doesn't direct as his beam has a straight trajectory.
Slower speed of attack type: Storm - though I'm sure this will be disputed.
Incorrect as revealed above.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Amount of conscious thought processes required: A simple physical action doesn't even require cross talk between different cerebral hemispheres. Whereas Storm must see, target, generate, target, direct, through thought processes. Complex thought processes likely involving large areas of the frontal lobe. I'll leave it to the general populace to decide which is faster.
You forget to mention the conscious thought cyclops has when deciding the intensity of his blasts via his psionic field. With that included you get a complete picture of the situation as depicted previously. Conscious thought process, on top of physical visor operation need i say more. 😕
Originally posted by peejayd
* really, "son"... i don't remember Storm able to generate a single lightning without the sky darkening... oh? is that phenomenon ultra-fast for you?
Well maybe you should switch off Fox Kids and have a browse around your local comic book store.
You've made your ignorance on the two characters featured on this thread quite apparrent. Withold your "contributions" until youre sufficiently clued up. Unfortunately for you there are rules against spam 🙁
Begone--------->
Are you saying there's no default intensity to his blast? And that he must always decide? Have fun trying to sell that.
But thank you for reminding me that Storm actually must determine the intensity of her lightning as well.
Storm must direct the lightning as it traverses it's path. You sight a target and generate a lightning bolt, and expect the energy to just flow that way? It must be consciously directed. She can't just "think it in the direction" and that be the end of it.
And btw, you alone do not decide what is "Incorrect."
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well maybe you should switch off Fox Kids and have a browse around your local comic book store.You've made your ignorance on the two characters featured on this thread quite apparrent. Withold your "contributions" until youre sufficiently clued up. Unfortunately for you there are rules against spam 🙁
Begone--------->
* am never spamming, dude...
* and, gotcha! oh? Storm doesn't need to create a phenomenon to generate a lightning... oh? and how does lightning appears anyways?
* and in this picture, it's a very SUNNY weather, ain't it?
* why don't you begone, logic-hater -------->
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Are you saying there's no default intensity to his blast? And that he must always decide? Have fun trying to sell that.
Ive just been reading his bio more intensely. It seems the visor controls the height of the blast while his psionic field controls the width. Either way his psionic field shunts back his force blasts automatically to their dimension of origin. So for a blast to be emitted anyway Cyclops has to consciously focus it via his psionic field and his visor. A conscious thought on Cyclops part is unavoidable im afraid.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
But thank you for reminding me that Storm actually must determine the intensity of her lightning as well.
Its cool. Especially now we've established its something they both must do.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Storm must direct the lightning as it traverses it's path. You sight a target and generate a lightning bolt, and expect the energy to just flow that way? It must be consciously directed.
I included that in my list of processes anyway so this is not a new addition. What do you think i meant when i said think it towards Cyclops. Either way its still a faster process. 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* now, where is that damn lightning when it's damn bright...* GS, just prove that Storm can generate a lightning without first creating a certain weather phenomenon, then i will accept that damn stupid logic of yours, dude...
How pray tell do you believe storm creates lightning when shes in an indoor environment? A little common sense please youngster. Storm doesnt need to create dark clouds and wind to generate lightning. Theyre usually a desired additional effect she generates as well as a part of a continued assault on a foe. Or they are created subconsciously as a result of her emotional state. Her lighning doesnt depend on it. 🙄
Heres storm in an indoor environment projecting lightning:
and again in an indoor environment:
You're outclassed son. Give it up 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
A conscious thought on Cyclops part is unavoidable im afraid.
Its cool. Especially now we've established its something they both must do.
Originally posted by GalacticStormCome again? Read above and answer the question.
Its cool. Especially now we've established its something they both must do.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I included that in my list of processes anyway so this is not a new addition. What do you think i meant when i said think it towards Cyclops. Either way its still a faster process. 😉
Storm requires four thought processes that Cyclops doesn't.
Cyclops requires one thought process that Storm doesn't - a physical action. Storm with self-generated lightning usually accompanies direction with a physical action.
The thought processes that Storm requires are arguably more complex than the additional thought required by Cyclops and would take longer thus a net three to three and a half additional and more complex thought processes are required on Storm's part.
An action potential travels at around 60 m/s. The time to push a trigger is in the centiseconds if even that.
In all likelyhood this is a double KO.
But if one takes the position that Cyclops beams travel faster than Storm's lightning. He hits her first and technically wins.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cure it? You couldnt even if you tried. Oh yeah you did a few pages back got you nowhere. 😱
Oh yea, dodging points and calling people subjective the entire time without answering my questions.
Please.
"Cm please try to be objective, and let ME use history refrences, and YOU are stuck with logic"
Take note that only a handful of people in this forum know what logic is.
ha, the same person who thought storm was beating carnage, because they weren't fully aware of the powers, and dived face first.
Come to a place like general discussion or religon for a real debate.
Got school. 😉
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'll ask once more. Are you saying there is no default be it width or intensity to the optic blast - an automated power? Knock Cyclops unconscious and open his eyes - no optic blast?
Come again? Read above and answer the question.
Im relating to you that according to his latest bio his mind generates a psionic field which shunts his blasts back to their point of origin. It is this same field which prevents his visor from being destroyed.To fire a blast Cyclops must focus this psionic field to emit a blast as stated in this bio. Without focusing this field his blasts would be going nowhere. Simple as that. The flow of energy is constant but that flow is cut off by his psionic field. If he was knocked unconscious then i guess his field would be inactive and the blastst would flow out unchecked, however when hes conscious this field is generated and he must focus it in conjunction with his visor to fire off a blast. Thats what im saying.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Storm: see, aim power, determine intensity, generate power, direct power.
Cyclops: see=aim power, no need to generate, need to determine intensity questionable, no need to direct.Storm requires four thought processes that Cyclops doesn't.
Cyclops requires one thought process that Storm doesn't - a physical action. Storm with self-generated lightning usually accompanies direction with a physical action.The thought processes that Storm requires are arguably more complex than the additional thought required by Cyclops and would take longer thus a net three to three and a half additional and more complex thought processes are required on Storm's part.
However you try to talk it up X a verbose opinion doesnt change the fact that Cyclops must consciously focus his power to determine the intensity he will let through. He must then trigger his hand to react and then after it does the visor opens and he emits a blast.
Storm targets, decides on an intensity, her body generates the lightning virtually instantaneously and then she thinks it to Cyclops position.
The only thing Cyclops doesnt have to do here is generate his power blast. However given that that process is virtually instantaneous, all of storms processes are psionic and that Cyclops still has to physically operate his visor i still believe she will get there quicker.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
An action potential travels at around 60 m/s. The time to push a trigger is in the centiseconds if even that.In all likelyhood this is a double KO.
But if one takes the position that Cyclops beams travel faster than Storm's lightning. He hits her first and technically wins.
It may take a short time for Cyclops to physically operate the visor but the psionic processes storm goes through are even quicker inherently and the generation of her lightning is virtually instananeous.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh yea, dodging points and calling people subjective the entire time without answering my questions.Please.
"Cm please try to be objective, and let ME use history refrences, and YOU are stuck with logic"
Take note that only a handful of people in this forum know what logic is.
ha, the same person who thought storm was beating carnage, because they weren't fully aware of the powers, and dived face first.
Come to a place like general discussion or religon for a real debate.
Got school. 😉
I answered all of the questions you presented. Its just a shame the points you were trying to make had little effect on the proceedings. Your problem not mine. 😉
Yeah i do think Storm beats Carnage what does that have to do with this match up? When you're ready to make a decent, on topic contribution to this thread then by all means come back. But as it stands going by all the info you've shared with us i think schools the best place for you. 😱
Work hard son.
Originally posted by GalacticStormFirst the field is unconsciously always on and requires conscious thought to bypass. Now it requires consciousness in order to be active? So at all times he's consciously creating a field while he's consciously bypassing it. Again, have fun trying to sell that.
Im relating to you that according to his latest bio his mind generates a psionic field which shunts his blasts back to their point of origin. It is this same field which prevents his visor from being destroyed.To fire a blast Cyclops must focus this psionic field to emit a blast as stated in this bio. Without focusing this field his blasts would be going nowhere. Simple as that. The flow of energy is constant but that flow is cut off by his psionic field. If he was knocked unconscious then i guess his field would be inactive and the blastst would flow out unchecked, however when hes conscious this field is generated and he must focus it in conjunction with his visor to fire off a blast. Thats what im saying.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThird time: Are you saying there is no default to Cyclop's optic blast - an automated power - in terms of intensity? The entire bane of Cyclop's power is that he to a large extent cannot and does not control his powers.
However you try to talk it up X a verbose opinion doesnt change the fact that Cyclops must consciously focus his power to determine the intensity he will let through. He must then trigger his hand to react and then after it does the visor opens and he emits a blast.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAll things must happen "virtually instantaneously" in single panels of comic books.
Storm targets, decides on an intensity, her body generates the lightning virtually instantaneously and then she thinks it to Cyclops position.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAll things must happen "virtually instantaneously" in single panels of comic books.
The only thing Cyclops doesnt have to do here is generate his power blast. However given that that process is virtually instantaneous, all of storms processes are psionic and that Cyclops still has to physically operate his visor i still believe she will get their quicker.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAll things must happen "virtually instantaneously" in single panels of comic books.
It may take a short time for Cyclops to physically operate the visor but the psionic processes storm goes through are even quicker inherently and the generation of her lightning is virtually instananeous.
Complex thought processes can take more than centiseconds.
One can say the emission of the optic blast happens instantaneously upon trigger as it is pregenerated. The "virtual instantaneous" nature of creating weather phenomenon is disputable.