Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The younger self still has the same power.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
At any rate, for the sake of argument, we have to take the feats as valid becuz they weren't retconned out of the new God's continuity.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The New Gods seem to escape any and all retcons.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Prove it, when has his "younger" self ever used tp to enslave millions of Daxamite's or transported a planet via tk?They STILL haven't happened yet. What you're doing is no different than my trying to credit Adam Warlock with the feats of the "classic" Magus.
In that case, the recton concerning DS's avatars is invalid, and DS has even more unaccounted for loses to Supes than he does if you take the recton into consideration.
Nice try. A revelation is not a retcon of temporal. It being revealed that Darksied's defeats were avatars is just another part of the story being revealed. A temporal retcon is something all together differnt. actually Darksied Enslaves millions all the time. His galaxy size planet is sustained by the fire pits, which are actually just extentions of his power. The planet itself can be moved by Darksied's mind. Which is as big as a galaxy. And I dont' know what your talking about with Adam and magus. Are they gods that escape the confines of time and space?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Nice try. A revelation is not a retcon of temporal. It being revealed that Darksied's defeats were avatars is just another part of the story being revealed. A temporal retcon is something all together differnt.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The New Gods seem to escape any and all retcons.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
actually Darksied Enslaves millions all the time. His galaxy size planet is sustained by the fire pits, which are actually just extentions of his power. The planet itself can be moved by Darksied's mind. Which is as big as a galaxy.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And I dont' know what your talking about with Adam and magus. Are they gods that escape the confines of time and space?
And again, none of that changes the fact that the current DS still hasn't experienced the GDS which means that his feats from that arc are invalid to his current incarnation.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Please, are you HONESTLY going to try to act as if the writers WAY back in Byrne's run KNEW that Supes win would invalidated? It was a recton no matter how you cut it, and according to YOU...When has DS enslaved millions of being telepathically? And who cares if he can move his own planet, after all Mephisto can do all kinds of crap to his own domain that he can't do outside of it. When has he ever demonstrated THAT level of tk on another planet?
The Magus was worshipped as a God. And actually Warlock DOES function outside of time do to his erasing his own destiny. So again I ask are we now to credit Warlock with the feats of the Magus?
And again, none of that changes the fact that the current DS still hasn't experienced the GDS which means that his feats from that arc are invalid to his current incarnation.
His current incarnation has more impressive feats than that arc. Any time you can fight heads up, a combined 5 top tier sky father's, you are the shit. And he also managed to hurt the Spectre with a blast. A spectre that was doing his duty protecting an innocent I might add. He also held ares in check. He embarred the Earth Angel Supergirl who had just pwned all of the other evil new gods. He survived a Direct blast from the ALE being and wasn't even phased. The same blast destroyed a solar system earlier in the arc. He created the being known as stayne in his abstract form. Stayne is sky father level herself. he has easily defeated the above top tier Infinity man. This isn't including the non feats. Such as Punking the lords of Chaos and Order and having the Guardians NOT want to fight with him.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlPlus the zero hour retcon was outside of the 4th worlds influence. Not only that, but zero hour left some big inconsistencies.
His current incarnation has more impressive feats than that arc. Any time you can fight heads up, a combined 5 top tier sky father's, you are the shit. And he also managed to hurt the Spectre with a blast. A spectre that was doing his duty protecting an innocent I might add. He also held ares in check. He embarred the Earth Angel Supergirl who had just pwned all of the other evil new gods. He survived a Direct blast from the ALE being and wasn't even phased. The same blast destroyed a solar system earlier in the arc. He created the being known as stayne in his abstract form. Stayne is sky father level herself. he has easily defeated the above top tier Infinity man. This isn't including the non feats. Such as Punking the lords of Chaos and Order and having the Guardians NOT want to fight with him.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
His current incarnation has more impressive feats than that arc.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Any time you can fight heads up, a combined 5 top tier sky father's, you are the shit.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And he also managed to hurt the Spectre with a blast. A spectre that was doing his duty protecting an innocent I might add.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He also held ares in check.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He embarred the Earth Angel Supergirl who had just pwned all of the other evil new gods.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He survived a Direct blast from the ALE being and wasn't even phased.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The same blast destroyed a solar system earlier in the arc. He created the being known as stayne in his abstract form. Stayne is sky father level herself.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
he has easily defeated the above top tier Infinity man.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This isn't including the non feats. Such as Punking the lords of Chaos and Order and having the Guardians NOT want to fight with him.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And Warlock has more impressive feats at this point than Magus does as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you can't use DS's other feats, I'm just pointing out that his feats from the GDS can't be taken into consideration because he still hasn't preformed them.What issue/arc was it in and I'll try to check it out.
Which I'm sure we can both agree is BS, since we both know that there's no way DS should be able to touch Spectre anymore than Batman should be able to(who ALSO scored a decent hit against Spectre).
Didn't he use tech to freeze time and space around Ares?
I've been wanting to check that out for a while, what issue/arc is it from?
I know, I plan on checking that out too.
Didn't he beat him by BFR or something like that because he was AFRAID of Infinity Man?
Exactly, non feats. They're impressive no doubt, but they don't really mean a lot do to inaction on everyone's part. But what issue/arc did they happen in, and I'll check them out too?
It's not entirely clear if it was tech or his power. Tho for DS, and the New Gods in general, tech seems to be part of thier power. Like Thanos has tech in his power set. Supergirl got pwned in the peter david run. Can't remember the issues. DS being able to hurt Spectre makes sense. The Source is above The Spectre and the OE is a direct extention of the Source's power. A gift to DS. Even tho technically he stole it. Yes DS did remove the Infinity man becuz the IM is supposed to be a threat to DS. As for DS having to fight fivve combined skyfathers, I have to look that one up. It was in one of these Genesis stories, or Wonder Woman or something like that. I"ll find it and let you know.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's not entirely clear if it was tech or his power. Tho for DS, and the New Gods in general, tech seems to be part of thier power. Like Thanos has tech in his power set.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Supergirl got pwned in the peter david run. Can't remember the issues.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS being able to hurt Spectre makes sense. The Source is above The Spectre and the OE is a direct extention of the Source's power. A gift to DS. Even tho technically he stole it.
BS. Spectre's power is dictated by someone FAR above DS, so NOTHING DS can do should bother him in the slightest. What you're describing sounds almost as bad as Reed taking out LT with LT's own energy.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes DS did remove the Infinity man becuz the IM is supposed to be a threat to DS.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As for DS having to fight fivve combined skyfathers, I have to look that one up. It was in one of these Genesis stories, or Wonder Woman or something like that. I"ll find it and let you know.
But all that aside, it doesn't change the fact that DS's feats from the GDS are invalid for his current incarnation.
okay, this is STARTING to get out of hand. here is a PERFECT example of why i hate respect threads and why i never put much stock in arguments put forth by those unwilling to use evidence to back up claims.
here is just a SINGLE example -- i know for a fact that i could find a couple more, and with a little digging, likely a LOT more.
in the last 3 pages i've heard that DS has survived a 'solar system destroying blast' AND the he has survived a direct hit 'unphased' by the ale entity.
R. I. D. I. C. U. L. O. U. S.
here is the entire battle between the ale entity and "DARSEID":
now, how many things were wrong with the above claims?
well, first, when DS met the entity -- he WAS AMPED by the DEMON and had TECH!
he was NEVER struck by the entity -- he was struck by an ASPECT!
and he was most CERTAINLY NOT 'unphased' by the attack. he was KO'D -- DESPITE THE AMPING AND THE THEFT OF THE ENTITY'S OWN POWER! he doesn't even know where the hell he is after he is hit!
please, for the luv-a-gawd -- stop posting feats if you have no evidence that they actually happened!
criminy.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if that's true and he used a device that he actually carries around or built into his outfit(like Thanos's uber force fields) or something as opposed to a large console device then I guess it can be considered standard equipment. But if it was actually a large device that's a little bit different. What issue/arc is that from?I'll try to track them down. If nothing else I'll bet that DL knows.
BS. Spectre's power is dictated by someone FAR above DS, so NOTHING DS can do should bother him in the slightest. What you're describing sounds almost as bad as Reed taking out LT with LT's own energy.
Then that's not much of a feat on DS's part. It may constitute a forum win, but technically Nightcrawler could BFR Hulk or Juggernaut too.
Cool.
But all that aside, it doesn't change the fact that DS's feats from the GDS are invalid for his current incarnation.
And yet, All of his current feats have been replicated. He has absorbed the power of powerful beings. He has beaten skyfather lvl beings. He has moved his own planet and he powers his own planet. His telepathy is so great that Mr. Miracle says that DS's telepathy pwns even his own. DS shown superior reality manipulation when he kept creating alter realities. I dont' see anything in GDS that was so great that he hasn't done something similiar to. As for The source's power being able to hurt the spectre, it is already established that the source>>>the Spectre. So the OE being able to hurt the Spectre makes sense.
Originally posted by leonidas
okay, this is STARTING to get out of hand. here is a PERFECT example of why i hate respect threads and why i never put much stock in arguments put forth by those unwilling to use evidence to back up claims.here is just a SINGLE example -- i know for a fact that i could find a couple more, and with a little digging, likely a LOT more.
in the last 3 pages i've heard that DS has survived a 'solar system destroying blast' AND the he has survived a direct hit 'unphased' by the ale entity.
R. I. D. I. C. U. L. O. U. S.
here is the entire battle between the ale entity and "DARSEID":
now, how many things were wrong with the above claims?
well, first, when DS met the entity -- he WAS AMPED by the DEMON and had TECH!
he was NEVER struck by the entity -- he was struck by an ASPECT!
and he was most CERTAINLY NOT 'unphased' by the attack. he was KO'D -- DESPITE THE AMPING AND THE THEFT OF THE ENTITY'S OWN POWER! he doesn't even know where the hell he is after he is hit!
so, unless there is another appearance by the ale in some other book that i am unaware of, please, for the luv-a-gawd -- stop posting feats if you have no evidence that they actually happened!
criminy.
Ok you have to read the story in context. An aspect of the ALE's blast had previously just destroyed a solar system. So it only takes a bit of connecting to see that the aspects destroy solar systems. Also DS was not amped by tech. He was using tech to contain the aspects. It's how he got blown up. A piece of the aspect is what caused the explosion escaping the tech. And where did you get that the demon was amping him? Looks like the Demon was just a mystical conduit. I missed that. And he was unphased. He wasn't bloody. He wasn't bleeding. Unphased.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlaccept that odin is greater than darkseid. this is common knowledge. he is more powerful than darkseid. his odin force is tough as nails. the spectre is all over the place. sometimes hes uber badass and other times hes not. spcetre going all out would crush darkseid so dont act like he could compete with him. odin wins over darkseid
And yet, All of his current feats have been replicated. He has absorbed the power of powerful beings. He has beaten skyfather lvl beings. He has moved his own planet and he powers his own planet. His telepathy is so great that Mr. Miracle says that DS's telepathy pwns even his own. DS shown superior reality manipulation when he kept creating alter realities. I dont' see anything in GDS that was so great that he hasn't done something similiar to. As for The source's power being able to hurt the spectre, it is already established that the source>>>the Spectre. So the OE being able to hurt the Spectre makes sense.
Originally posted by darthgooberTheir really isn't anything wrong with the oe hurting the Spectre. Like nvr said, they come directly from the source which is above Spectre. And Infinity man is no where as powerful as Darkseid. Mantis could give Infinity man a good fight, and his power came from Ds. As for the Zero hour thing, those feats are not invalid. Darkseid could defeat his older Gds self. The thing about New gods is they stand outside the rest of the Dc universe. There for coie, zero hour, and other retcons don't effect the 4th world.
Well if that's true and he used a device that he actually carries around or built into his outfit(like Thanos's uber force fields) or something as opposed to a large console device then I guess it can be considered standard equipment. But if it was actually a large device that's a little bit different. What issue/arc is that from?I'll try to track them down. If nothing else I'll bet that DL knows.
BS. Spectre's power is dictated by someone FAR above DS, so NOTHING DS can do should bother him in the slightest. What you're describing sounds almost as bad as Reed taking out LT with LT's own energy.
Then that's not much of a feat on DS's part. It may constitute a forum win, but technically Nightcrawler could BFR Hulk or Juggernaut too.
Cool.
But all that aside, it doesn't change the fact that DS's feats from the GDS are invalid for his current incarnation.
Originally posted by quanchi112
accept that odin is greater than darkseid. this is common knowledge. he is more powerful than darkseid. his odin force is tough as nails. the spectre is all over the place. sometimes hes uber badass and other times hes not. spcetre going all out would crush darkseid so dont act like he could compete with him. odin wins over darkseid
Go play with your toys. This is grown folk talk.
Originally posted by starkingu keep saying the crisis didnt affect darkseid and this his fellow new gods were outside his influence. i dont care if darkseid was directly affected or not. superman back in the day was insanely powerful, it was kinda stupid. hence the whole thing to make it cooler to the the crisis stuff. idf u have heroes with all theis power every villain they combat kinda has to be uber powerful. it was stupid. anyways darkseid gets beat by a weaker superman who was depowered yet u say darkseid has remained the same. so while he wasnt depowered superman was but darkseid gets owned by him. darksied isnt as powerful as when kirby was writing him in todays time, so would everyone please quit acting like he is.
Their really isn't anything wrong with the oe hurting the Spectre. Like nvr said, they come directly from the source which is above Spectre. And Infinity man is no where as powerful as Darkseid. Mantis could give Infinity man a good fight, and his power came from Ds. As for the Zero hour thing, those feats are not invalid. Darkseid could defeat his older Gds self. The thing about is New gods stand outside the rest of the Dc universe. There for coie, zero hour, and other retcons don't effect the 4th world.
