Juggernaut's a different case than Hulk though, because of his powers. They only went at it in 2 What If's, but they basically keep it real in them. Magneto's power has no effect on Juggernaut because of his invulnerability and that he can be halted while in motion by physical means. Hulk's powers are different, but still more than strong enough to take whatever Magneto gives him. And, even if Magneto did wrap Hulk's legs and arms and held him up, it wouldn't last very long though. Hulk has broken out of stronger things than that. As much as I'd like to go for Magneto on this one, Hulk just too strong for Mags to try to take him on. He's powerful as hell, but he has his limits.
Originally posted by nomsans
did'nt wolverine almost mortally wound magneto once?whats your excuse for that one?
think a little, do you really think that in a batle wolverine could do that, he has cut magneto before from behind and because he was distracted fighting sombody else.
the only way wolvie or colossus can beat mags is when he is sleeping and even so i have doubts.
yea yea i remember.
i am just saying...if wolverine can almost mortally wound the 'great' and 'powerful' magneto by sneak attack...i am sure hulk could do that as well and to a much worse degree.
on the other hand...
magneto could never mortally wound the hulk with a sneak attack. never.
hulk could be sleeping and mags couldnt kill hulk.
There are a couple of doctumented encounters.
In one, which occurs in a Defenders issue, Magneto is able to knock the Incredible Hulk out (along with the entire assembled team of heroes) using an energy blast from behind. In the other encounter, which occurs inside an anthology of collected stories that never saw print, the Incredible Hulk overpowers Magneto, nearly killing him.
(*) Each of said battles occured during a time when, not only was the Hulk less powerful than he is today, but Magneto's electromagnetic abilities were far less elaborate, sophisticated and imaginative as they are today. Currently, the only way the Hulk may concievably emerge victorious against Magneto, with certainty, involves Magneto developing any sort of plot induced amnesia with regards to his abilities to either simply jerk the Hulk around using the iron content present in his blood, or merely by draining the gamma radiation from the Hulk's cells. If he doesn't feel like either of those options, he can save himself the trouble and just fling the Hulk somewhere in space or whatever.
We shouldn't even really be talking about sneak attacks because that is not really a legitamate part of battle, but if we are talking about them, then either person could easily kill the other while they were sleeping. Hulk smashes magneto; hulk doesn't sleep, Bruce Banner does, and magneto would squash Banner like a big pimple.
The bottom line of all this is that Magneto ultimately wins. Assuming his powers aren't strong enough to crusht he hulk (which I think they probably were), and that he could not wrap things around hulk and rip him apart (which he probably could), and that for whatever reason Erik is not capable of throwing him into space (which he probably is), in a worst case senario, Magneto tries all these things and still can't kill hulk, then he simply takes himself to asteroid M where he rests for a while to regain strength at which point he could propel a gigantic rock down into the earth at an unbelievable speed and create and extinction level event. Within a few weeks everything edible dies, and within a few months EVERYTHING, Hulk included, passes away. Meanwhile Magneto and whoever he wanted to take with him sit safely inside Asteroid M and enjoy a nice round of drinks. I know this isn't something Magnus would normally do, but it far from the realm of possibilities, and well within Magneto's realm of capabilities. And hopefully no one comes back with, "Well hulk would just jump to Asteroid M and destroy Magneto there." Because as soon as Hulk left the atmosphere, he would lose all his body weight and Magneto would simply propel something toward him and shoot him into the sun. So the bottom line is that Magneto has several possible ways to kill the hulk, and hulk only has one way to kill Magneto: getting close to him and physically crushing him, which Magneto would never allow him to do. I mean come on people, witht he exceptions of a few God-like beings (franklin richards, X-man, Pheonix, etc.) they wrote Magneto to be the most powerful, intelligent, and resourceful mutant ever; he would never lose to a big green guy that gets mad and throws things.
well...out of magneto's stupidity and arrogance, the asteroid M crashed into earth. he of course later on re-built it again...only to have it smash back into the earth again causing disaster. the only reason he survived is because one of his loyal acolytes sacrificed his life for mags. asteroid M was scattered all over the middle east. since, mags has newly 'aquired' a space station that once belonged to cable where mags tries to create a mutant nation. only to have that destroyed by exodus and holocost, and it plungd to earth as well...mags only survived because collossus saved him. astra cloned mags in an attempt to gain control over the acolytes and other followers of magneto, and after mags tried' doing another emp pulse messing with the magnetic field...his clone stopped his emp pulse while the x-men distracted mags...immediately following, mags was offered sovereignty by genosha and he graciously accepted and to his horror HE REALIZED THAT HE LOST HIS POWERS...and had to spend a dramatically long time developing them and strengthening them and continues to do so unto this day.
and this is where he is today...as leader of the genosha 'island of peace'.
hulk would brutally smash mags.
you are incorporating far too much into your thinking. The debate is not about what each person is doing with thier personal lives. It is about who would win a fight if they were pitted agaisnt one another at their strongest, and as my last entry shows clearly: the winner of that fight would be magneto.
You can't argue that Hulk would win when magneto doesn't have his powers. That much should be obvious to anyone. That would be like saying, well after hulk was knocked unconscious by a nuclear blast and turned back into Banner, Magneto could easily kill him...DUH!!
At their strongest? Then the answer is the exact opposite of what you said. Hulk cannot be stopped by anyone if he's at his strongest *which is sort of impossible as he exponentially increases in strength* Yet when Hulk was stronger than he's ever been, he took down Onslaught, an amalgam version of Magneto. Don't get me wrong, Magneto could take down any mutant on Earth, but Hulk is not a mutant and he can't really be controlled like a human or a mutant. The iron in the blood thing and the tossing him into space is unrealistic. The former wouldn't work and the latter *I haven't read X-Men in awhile, so I don't know how capable Magneto is of this feat* but it wouldn't be as easy as people seem to think. It takes a great deal of concentration to propel the most powerful being on Earth into orbit.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
At their strongest? Then the answer is the exact opposite of what you said. Hulk cannot be stopped by anyone if he's at his strongest *which is sort of impossible as he exponentially increases in strength* Yet when Hulk was stronger than he's ever been, he took down Onslaught, an amalgam version of Magneto. Don't get me wrong, Magneto could take down any mutant on Earth, but Hulk is not a mutant and he can't really be controlled like a human or a mutant. The iron in the blood thing and the tossing him into space is unrealistic. The former wouldn't work and the latter *I haven't read X-Men in awhile, so I don't know how capable Magneto is of this feat* but it wouldn't be as easy as people seem to think. It takes a great deal of concentration to propel the most powerful being on Earth into orbit.
Even Hulk at his strongest can be stopped by many mutant/non-mutant super beings. The only thing he have is his strength with is pretty much useless against reality warpers and matter-manipulators.
(oops I screwed up)
So I was saying :After long thinking and hours of meditation, I think Hulk can walk away the winner. Magnetos powers depend too much on the writer, and the Hulk's powers are not only strength and durability, but also a very impressive healing power.
So I think Hulk has a good chance fighting Magneto. I can come up with possible scenarios for Hulk to kill Magneto, but not as many vice versa.