Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I think the fact that the Hulk looks constipated everytime he tries becoming stonger, means that he is straining. He was certainly straining holding up that mountain. Shit, he strains just becoming the Hulk in the first place.
Well to be fair, If we look at Magneto in Secret Wars, the man almost had a stroke making a comb. A COMB.
'if the hulk arm wrestled magneto, but magneto was controlling a giant metal arm instead of his wown, the hulk would still beat him...just brute strength.'
I think this is the essence of this fight. Even if Magneto can 'control' things, does this mean he can exert a greater force over them than the Hulk can react with?
The answer...is no.
exactly! that is what i am talking about. hulk's brute strenth could physically over power magneto's powers. The newer smarter hulk doesnt revert to bruce banner...hulk physiology is inapplicable so we cannot assume that he has any metals in his bodie, and if there were, the gamma radiation would have more than likely changed the molecular structure of the metals as it did for hulk himself...so *if hulk does have iron in his blood (which i would argue he doesnt anyway, because he bleeds green, and iron makes red when it is exposed to oxegen, not green.) then it wouldnt be normal iron, it would be super 'hulk' iron, in which we could speculate that the iron itself is strong enough to overcome magneto's powers. Like i have said so many times before magneto could never hope to fight hulk by himself and win. he would in fact have a back up plan, where he would perhaps use otehrs, or some kinda weopons or whatever to try and defeat hulk, but only from a distance...and if it is a situation where it is brains vs. brains...as intelligent as mags is, and i know he is on a genious level, hulk is still even smarter than him. if magneto would try to use some kinda of feild or force feild...hulk could physically graspe the feild with his bare hands....thats right, actually 'grab' energy with his brute strength, and physically overcome it.
any of you magneto fanboys have yet to come up with a good argument...i kept it open minded but now it has been given enough time and i think the results are in. with all the posts and knowledge of thie thread from the begining, even with magneto given his due and the benifit of any doubts of his strengths or powers, hulk STILL would crush mags...
nuff said.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Old Codger Vs Big Green super mutant.Magneto's most famous rival is a cripple, Wolverine and friends.
Hulk's is the entire US Army and Abomination.
Hulk has won against those more times than Magneto has against his.
Nuff said.
-AC
You guys have to realize that the only way reason mags ever lost to these people is b/c it was comic book writing ie...the good guys always win. And the only way they made it possible in the comics was because Mags would not kill fellow mutants. Would he have been willing to just kill or destroy anything in his way, very few characters in the X-men world, or the marvel universe for that matter, could have survived a fight against him. Example: the X-men were pretty much useless against apoc. but when it came to the ultimate fight b/t him and Mags, Mags ripped his body to pieces. People can't argue that Xavier, Wolverine, Colossus, and others wouldn't have suffered the same fate if Mags wanted them to. And as for Rogue, Emma Frost and some other people previously mentioned...GIVE ME A BREAK. They don't even deserve to look at Mags or Hulk. I still feel Mags would prevail...too much power and too many options
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well to be fair, If we look at Magneto in Secret Wars, the man almost had a stroke making a comb. A COMB.'if the hulk arm wrestled magneto, but magneto was controlling a giant metal arm instead of his wown, the hulk would still beat him...just brute strength.'
I think this is the essence of this fight. Even if Magneto can 'control' things, does this mean he can exert a greater force over them than the Hulk can react with?
The answer...is no.
HAHAHAH yea thats true...he did struggle to create a comb.
If that piece of shit (excuse my French) is one of the most legendary comics sagas of all time , well, than I don't know what to say. Some of the errors :
- Spider-Man humiliating the X-Men (though I like that scene because I'm a Spider-Man fan 😉 )
- Molecule Man being a complete retard
- Prof X acting like a cold and arrogant dictator
- Cap America hiding behind his shield while Torch goes Supernova only a 2, 3 meters further (that's my favorite)
- Lizard being cute 😆
- a calm and intelligent Hulk holding the mountain, and later he says he doubts himself because (his words) since he became intelligent, he NEVER was as strong and angry as when he was savage Hulk. Talk about contradictions.
- Colossus being the only one to survive Doom's surprise attack - even Cap's shield was broken (how come Doom didn't know this - wasn't he all knowing ?)
- Doom defeating the Beyonder with his willpower and his broken armour - yeah right
- Wasp making Magneto AND the X-Men look like amateurs
- the list is long...
Each his own of course, but it was bad writing from the beginning to the end - of course this is only the opinion of a humble KMC-member...
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well to be fair, If we look at Magneto in Secret Wars, the man almost had a stroke making a comb. A COMB.'if the hulk arm wrestled magneto, but magneto was controlling a giant metal arm instead of his wown, the hulk would still beat him...just brute strength.'
I think this is the essence of this fight. Even if Magneto can 'control' things, does this mean he can exert a greater force over them than the Hulk can react with?
The answer...is no.
Wow. I haven't been in this thread in a loooong time. Thanks for quoting me by the way, I must have posted that like 3 months ago.
Anyway, I don't care how strong Hulk is. It's not helping him win this fight, if anything it's his healing factor. Even then I still think Magneto takes it. Being able to lift a billion tons won't stop sheets of metal flying through your face. As we can see from the comics, Hulk's healing factor fluctuates. Months to heal a broken spinal cord...seconds to heal from all of his skin being burned off. What the ****.
He'll have to be at the top of his game to pull this one off against the man who is possibly the personification of the Unified Field Thoery.
His power fluctuates? Magneto can devastate the universe *potentially* in every panel?
When did this happen? I think you're making shit up.
Hulk's real power, you know, the infinite strength thing, has always been there, keeping pace at...infinite. For some reason(probably storyline purposes) his healing factor has been inconsistent.
Magneto can't devastate the universe. His power is global, not universal. He can devastate the planet, and even then, not every panel.
Great sarcasm by the way. I loved it. Doesn't help your argument though.
Yeah. Not sure why you took it literally as well, for argument's sake.
I can't say Hulk would be that scared of the man who is the personification of the Unified Field Theory though. I wouldn't even be. As intimidation goes it's up there with Trigonometry Man.
When Magneto magnetically moves a piece of metal, do you suppose he has to use more power when it has to penetrate or overcome something?