Magneto vs The Hulk

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Yeah. Not sure why you took it literally as well, for argument's sake.

I can't say Hulk would be that scared of the man who is the personification of the Unified Field Theory though. I wouldn't even be. As intimidation goes it's up there with Trigonometry Man.

When Magneto magnetically moves a piece of metal, do you suppose he has to use more power when it has to penetrate or overcome something?

"For argument's sake" is exactly why.

As for the question regarding Magneto, it depends. It depends on how fast the object is moving, it depends on how sharp the object is, and it depends on what he is trying to penetrate.

Trying to force a 20 ton truck through a giant block of concrete is very different than forcing a knife through a giant block of butter. Too many variables to say really.

and also it dpends on how dense the metal is.....you know whats coming?..............................ta ta ta naaaa! STEEL GIRDERS!!!!!!

"Anyway, I don't care how strong Hulk is. It's not helping him win this fight, if anything it's his healing factor. Even then I still think Magneto takes it. Being able to lift a billion tons won't stop sheets of metal flying through your face. As we can see from the comics, Hulk's healing factor fluctuates. Months to heal a broken spinal cord...seconds to heal from all of his skin being burned off. What the ****."

Yeah coz taking just seconds to heal from having skin burnt off really is slow by todays standards. Why, my pal had that happen to him the other day and regenerated in just under half a second and of course a month to heal from a broken spinal cord is slow. Coz everyone normally hops up in about a week don't they?

You saying Hulk's strength doesn't matter is complete crap. "It won't help him". Haha, the funny thing is that if I were to say "It doesn't matter how much Magneto can lift, hurl or bend, won't help him", it would actually be truer than you claiming Hulk's strength doesn't matter.

Regardless of what extent Mag's can reach or what he can control, he just doesn't have enough to defeat The Hulk.

"Trying to force a 20 ton truck through a giant block of concrete is very different than forcing a knife through a giant block of butter. Too many variables to say really."

So if metal being hurled at incredible speed is what you think will stop Hulk, depending on size and as stated, speed. Why didn't a subway train travelling at top speed, kill Hulk? Why did Hulk just stand there and stop it with his shoulder?

More to the point: Why are flying pieces of metal of any shape, size or force, going to stop The Hulk from winning this fight? Yet Hulk's ability to destroy almost anything and anyone, is all of a sudden, void?

-AC

That is why I think we should be speaking of whether Magneto's power to manipulate metal would be able to overcome Hulk's resistance or retaliation. By analogy, it's fair enough saying Molecule Man can control every non living molecule in the universe but when it comes down to it, one little blow and he's out of there.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Anyway, I don't care how strong Hulk is. It's not helping him win this fight, if anything it's his healing factor. Even then I still think Magneto takes it. Being able to lift a billion tons won't stop sheets of metal flying through your face. As we can see from the comics, Hulk's healing factor fluctuates. Months to heal a broken spinal cord...seconds to heal from all of his skin being burned off. What the ****."

Yeah coz taking just seconds to heal from having skin burnt off really is slow by todays standards. Why, my pal had that happen to him the other day and regenerated in just under half a second and of course a month to heal from a broken spinal cord is slow. Coz everyone normally hops up in about a week don't they?

You saying Hulk's strength doesn't matter is complete crap. "It won't help him". Haha, the funny thing is that if I were to say "It doesn't matter how much Magneto can lift, hurl or bend, won't help him", it would actually be truer than you claiming Hulk's strength doesn't matter.

Regardless of what extent Mag's can reach or what he can control, he just doesn't have enough to defeat The Hulk.

"Trying to force a 20 ton truck through a giant block of concrete is very different than forcing a knife through a giant block of butter. Too many variables to say really."

So if metal being hurled at incredible speed is what you think will stop Hulk, depending on size and as stated, speed. Why didn't a subway train travelling at top speed, kill Hulk? Why did Hulk just stand there and stop it with his shoulder?

More to the point: Why are flying pieces of metal of any shape, size or force, going to stop The Hulk from winning this fight? Yet Hulk's ability to destroy almost anything and anyone, is all of a sudden, void?

-AC

You might need to go back to the beginning of this argument to see how I feel about this fight. Mags won't win by shoving things through Hulk, and he won't win by just fighting Hulk head on. I stated that a loooong time ago.

No, seconds is NOT slow, that's why I pointed it out. The huge difference is why I posted it. Months to heal from a broken spinal cord, but only seconds to heal all of his burned flesh, is a pretty wide margin.

My analogy wasn't meant for the fight. It was just to show how many variables there are in doing something like flinging one object through another. Too many to estimate the actual action.

Hulk can destroy everything he can get his hands on. I don't think Hulk is getting his hands on Magneto. "Ok, well what about the massive hurricane that Hulk can create just by slamming his hands together?" Magneto has a force field. "What about the earthquakes he can produce?" Magneto can fly.

There's 46 pages here, and I've posted on nearly all of them. I've covered nearly every angle and situation, and I just don't see Hulk coming out on top.

So basically, you don't see how Hulk can get his hands on Magneto?

I know Magneto's powers and Hulk's powers, potential or actual. I don't see how Magneto is gonna do anything to kill or defeat Hulk.

Hulk can throw stuff too. Stuff alot bigger and alot more capable of putting you in the graveyard than Magneto can.

-AC

Throwing stuff? That's your argument? Even though you know Magneto can fly? AND has a forcefield? Not very logical...but ok.

Also, throwing something at me, even a 100 ton metal ball of spikes, is not more capable of putting me in a graveyard then making my head explode by increasing the blood pressure in my head exponentially, by controlling the metals in my blood.

"Also, throwing something at me, even a 100 ton metal ball of spikes, is not more capable of putting me in a graveyard then making my head explode by increasing the blood pressure in my head exponentially, by controlling the metals in my blood."

So THAT'S why you think Hulk would win.

Riiiiight. So you call me illogical and then claim that he would do that to Hulk? Well despite the fact that it takes great great concentration to do such a thing, take into account who he is fighting. Hulk isn't gonna stand still and let him do it. You think he could keep a forcefield up, keep Hulk at bay, avoid and attack ALL while trying to concentrate enough to control his blood? Coz without doing all of those, he's paste.

-AC

Wow. Putting words in my mouth? I expected more from you AC. Much, much more.

WHERE, oh WHERE in my post did I say "Magneto will make Hulk's head explode" OR EVEN "Magneto can control Hulk's blood"

Magneto truly does not have to do all of those things at once. Ripping the ground out from under Hulk and flinging him to...shit, pick a place, Magneto can send him there...counts as a victory. Sure, it's cheap as hell, it's the dirty way out, whatever you want to call it, but we're talking about Magneto. When have you ever known him to be honorable instead of intelligent? He knows he can't beat Hulk head on, and he sure as hell won't try.

And controlling blood doesn't require great concentration. He has stopped an entire army cold in not even a matter of seconds by controlling their blood, while flying and giving a speech.

How EXACTLY, will Hulk stop himself from being hurled away if Magneto uses the ground like a Catapult? The ground all around hulk only has to lift a foot off the ground, and stop. If it is moving fast enough, which we know Mags can move it fast enough, he WILL go flying. It's one of those things you learn in freshman science class, "Objects that are in motion tend to stay in motion". Newtons laws of physics.

be nice people...

Originally posted by Nataku8188
How EXACTLY, will Hulk stop himself from being hurled away if Magneto uses the ground like a Catapult? The ground all around hulk only has to lift a foot off the ground, and stop. If it is moving fast enough, which we know Mags can move it fast enough, he WILL go flying. It's one of those things you learn in freshman science class, "Objects that are in motion tend to stay in motion". Newtons laws of physics.

what is to stop the hulk from grabbing the very gound that mags is trying to catapult him with, and while being thrusted into the air by mags, hurl the large piece of ground that he grabbed in the opposite direction forcing his projectory in reverse to back exactly where he was, or even further towards where magneto is?

go steelers!

oh, and hulk can physically grasp any force field of energy created my mageto and physically overcome it withi his bare hands, so magneto's force feild wont't work either.

also the iron in hulk's blood is either non existant, or super mutated like hulk by the gamma radiation, and MAGNETO DOES NOT HAVE ANY POWER OVER RADIATION! as those of us who had physics class woul know.

i simply dont see how magneto could ever ecer in a million trillion years ever defeat hulk by himself, full potential (of the hulk as well).

Originally posted by nomsans
what is to stop the hulk from grabbing the very gound that mags is trying to catapult him with, and while being thrusted into the air by mags, hurl the large piece of ground that he grabbed in the opposite direction forcing his projectory in reverse to back exactly where he was, or even further towards where magneto is?

What?? Throwing something doesn't provide propulsion. I understand this is comic book fantasy, but let's not go that far.

oh, and hulk can physically grasp any force field of energy created my mageto and physically overcome it withi his bare hands, so magneto's force feild wont't work either.

Do you NOT understand that Magneto can FLY out of Hulk's reach?

also the iron in hulk's blood is either non existant, or super mutated like hulk by the gamma radiation, and MAGNETO DOES NOT HAVE ANY POWER OVER RADIATION! as those of us who had physics class woul know.

i simply dont see how magneto could ever ecer in a million trillion years ever defeat hulk by himself, full potential (of the hulk as well).

You aren't taking into consideration these two character's personalities. A common mistake in versus threads. You think Magneto would just sit there and take Hulk head on? Use your brain.

"Ripping the ground out from under Hulk and flinging him to...shit, pick a place, Magneto can send him there...counts as a victory. Sure, it's cheap as hell, it's the dirty way out, whatever you want to call it, but we're talking about Magneto."

I don't recall Magneto ever displaying the ability to do this though, so all I have is you telling me that he can. Besides, this is The Hulk we're talking about. If Magneto throws him away, he isn't gonna say "Oh **** off. Look how far away I am. Forget trying to get all the way back there."

This is a man that jumps across the United States to get to where he's going. Magneto hurling him away isn't gonna do anything, if he actually has the ability to do so.

"It's one of those things you learn in freshman science class, "Objects that are in motion tend to stay in motion". Newtons laws of physics."

Did Newton say it was possible for a geriatric european to have the ability to control metals? No. Newtons law means shit in Marvel.

"Do you NOT understand that Magneto can FLY out of Hulk's reach?"

Well Hulk has displayed the ability to be able to reach Space in one jump up. Unless we actually want to get into "Yeah but Magneto would just fly here and do this...", Hulk could reach him.

"A common mistake in versus threads. You think Magneto would just sit there and take Hulk head on? Use your brain."

You think Hulk is gonna sit there and give Magneto the chance to actually do....well, anything? No.

-AC

The only thing that made me mad about the secret was is Cap americas shield breaking. It cant break its made out of adamtiun

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]"Ripping the ground out from under Hulk and flinging him to...shit, pick a place, Magneto can send him there...counts as a victory. Sure, it's cheap as hell, it's the dirty way out, whatever you want to call it, but we're talking about Magneto."

I don't recall Magneto ever displaying the ability to do this though, so all I have is you telling me that he can. Besides, this is The Hulk we're talking about. If Magneto throws him away, he isn't gonna say "Oh **** off. Look how far away I am. Forget trying to get all the way back there."

Look back through the thread at the posts of Joseph (clone of Magneto), ripping the earth apart, while flying, controling nuclear bombs and resealing the earth later. Mags CAN do this. And as for Hulk coming back, not if he gets launched into space, or into the sun. Or would hulk survive the heat and pressure of the sun, then use the dense gases to propell himself back to earth at the exact location he was fighting Magneto in?

"Look back through the thread at the posts of Joseph (clone of Magneto), ripping the earth apart, while flying, controling nuclear bombs and resealing the earth later. Mags CAN do this."

This isn't a Hulk Vs Joseph thread is it?

"And as for Hulk coming back, not if he gets launched into space, or into the sun. Or would hulk survive the heat and pressure of the sun, then use the dense gases to propell himself back to earth at the exact location he was fighting Magneto in?"

Hulk has jumped into Space and come back. The laws of physics, unless you didn't notice, do not apply in a you know, comic book world. So scrap that. I'm sick of Space being the saviour of everyone's battles here. How in the f*cking hell is Hulk getting launched into the Sun? You are actually simulating the battle in your head in accordance with you will for Magneto to win.

"Or would hulk survive the heat and pressure of the sun, then use the dense gases to propell himself back to earth at the exact location he was fighting Magneto in?"

How did Hulk get into the Sun? Or even into Space for that matter? You are just saying they got there. I swear, the way you people talk you'd think EVERY fight ends up in Space. It's ridiculous. A fight between the two, bog standard, on Earth. Hulk wins. Magneto simply does not have enough overall power to exude over any amount of objects or himself to get the win.

-AC

wait a minute, wait a minute. hulk's forcefield grabbing ability can be harped on but everybody's victoria secrets get twisted in a bunch when juggy punches thru a dimension? rriiigghhtt not so neat when its your guy is it?

"wait a minute, wait a minute. hulk's forcefield grabbing ability can be harped on but everybody's victoria secrets get twisted in a bunch when juggy punches thru a dimension?"

Who claimed that Hulk can grab a forcefield? I certainly didn't. I merely claimed that Magneto doesn't have enough power over ANYTHING to defeat The Hulk. Juggernaut punching through a dimension is ridiculous.

Consider yourself countered.

-AC

Here is how works:
Hulk is destroying Genosha, and Magneto decide to move from his royal palace to put down forever one of Earth's greatest menaces.
Magneto put on his helmet and cape, and fly away from the palace and mach 3 speed, reaching the place where Hulk is ambushing everything on his path.
Hulk recognize Magneto as an evil being and just says:
Evil man do evil things, Hulk is gonna smashing the evil man.
Hulk jumps at Magneto, that erect a force field around himself, sufficiently strong to protect himself but he get throwed 1mile up into air.
Hulk land on the ground saying:
Evil man is dead, evil man will not disturb Hulk again, CAUSE HULK IS THE STRONGER THERE IS!
The members of Magneto Royal Guards engages Hulk:
Quicksilver is leading them, and with his amazing speed and new found low level electrical powers he's giving problems to the green goliath, throwing him objects and hitting him with flurry of punches, then Broker, a 8feet tall member of the RG enganges Hulk, Broker possess Class 90Strenght, and great invulnerability, but he's able to enhance his abilities through absorbing energies from an unknown source, reaching Class 100.The challenge against the Hulk is resulting in the devastation of Genosha's center, Broker is not enough for Hulk that is taking his best shots becoming enraged cause they don't wont to let him going away.Quicksilver and Broker are reached by Colossus and Wolverine, sended here from Prof X cause the other members of the RG are fighting a rebellion in south Genosha.
Magneto is just hovering in mid air, then he realizes how to defeat the green goliath.
Logan has just go into berserker rage hooking himself to Hulk with the claws of his left hand and slashing him with the right, Colossus is punching the Hulk that is grabbed from behind by Broker, but Hulk is sick of men trying to block him and hurt him.
HULK IS SICK!
Hulk moves his arms in a huge devastating attack freeing himself from the attack of the mutants, throwing them 200 feets away and destroying the ground under himself.Then he starts to throw detritus and pieces of buildings at them, that are blocked from Magneto, he use the detritus to catch Hulk's attention, he make them rotating around Hulk at amazing speed, then Hulk starts to destroy them and Magneto levitate Colossus and throw him and Hulk's back at about mach 3speed.The result is Hulk getting throwed in the beach out of Genosha landing like a small asteroid lifting a great amount of sand and rocks.Hulk is stunned and Magneto catch the occasion surrounding Hulk with steel, iron and anything he can use to block him then surround Hulk with a force field and proceed to fly into the stratosphere, it's taking all Maggy's concentration to make the force field resisting under Hulk's blows, that has free his left arm from the prison.Finally Magneto reaches the stratosphere and throw Hulk in the outerspace.It's the end for the green goliath, that is moving his body like a crazy animal in search of something to grab and stop to float in space.Magneto reaches him and throw him some pieces of steel impaling Hulk's chest.Then push him far away in the direction of the moon.
Then Magneto fly back to Genosha, and when his citizens looks at him he pronunces something that no one has ever said before:
Finally i kill him, i destroy the Incredible Hulk, thanks to the collaboration of the X-Men with the Royal Guard i was able to eliminate him.Now we must work on the reconstruction of our nation!
The people applauses are covering Maggy's words, but Colossus can hear Logan saying:
Bah, come back home now Petey, i'm sick of listening the megalomaniac talking to his puppets.For an instat i hope for Hulk stamping his face and coming back to Earth.
The End