Couldn't magneto just stay out of hulk's range, then grab some girders from a skyscraper and either
1) beat the crap out of the hulk or
2) wrap him up (not with just the girders, but mold them around the hulk like a press or something), then just send the metal-encased hulk out of earth's atmosphere. If the atmosphere doesn't burn him into nothingness, then the cold of space or lack of oxygen should do him in...
Originally posted by crazyspinz
umm, hasnt juggy beat magneto before?, or am i wrong
Not in mainstream, in two different What Ifs. Juggernaut's a different case cause his magic makes him invulnerable to Magneto's power (yeah they showed it in What Ifs, but that's basically how it would work in mainstream too). Magneto would have a better chance of actually hurting Hulk than Juggernaut, although I think it would be pretty close between Hulk and Mags cause they're both powerful as hell.
I keep hearing this arguement of Magneto just needing to wrap Hulk in metal and launch him into space. Yet no one has ever been able to any instance where Magneto has done such a feat.....to anyone...let alone someone as strong as the Hulk.
I also hear...."how is Hulk going to get to Magneto?"
But what's going to stop him from getting to Magneto??? Steel Girders, Oil Tankers, and the Houston Astro Dome? Because that would just piss Hulk off more.
It's already been stated that the diamagnetics Magneto uses to control the blood flow in a human's body is THE WEAKEST form of magnetism.
You're going to have a hard time making me believe the the Hulk wouldn't be able to overcome the weakest of Magneto's powers...
Originally posted by Linkalicious
I keep hearing this arguement of Magneto just needing to wrap Hulk in metal and launch him into space. Yet no one has ever been able to any instance where Magneto has done such a feat.....to anyone...let alone someone as strong as the Hulk.
well he did built a ****ing city in space.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
It's already been stated that the diamagnetics Magneto uses to control the blood flow in a human's body is THE WEAKEST form of magnetism.
You're going to have a hard time making me believe the the Hulk wouldn't be able to overcome the weakest of Magneto's powers...
the blood flow was one arguement and the diamagnetics are other.
come on how would hulk get to mags, he can´t fly, ok he can jump pretty high, really not good enough.
Originally posted by norrin radd
well he did built a ****ing city in space.
But that's not wrapping someone up in metal and throwing them off into space...
Thanos built a spacecraft, but he can't just wrap up Hulk and throw him into space.
the blood flow was one arguement and the diamagnetics are other.come on how would hulk get to mags, he can´t fly, ok he can jump pretty high, really not good enough.
Why isn't it good enough?
The higher up Magneto levitates, the harder it's going to be for him to attack the Hulk. He's going to have to concentrate his powers to hit this little guy on the floor who's running around and jumping up at him all day long.
Sure, he could use something like a steel girder to play wack-a-Hulk for a while, but it wouldn't stop Hulk. He'd just keep getting up.
ok ...i am sure hulk can build a city in outter space if he wanted too...what does that prove?
lets just go down the line...
the following are all feats of strength actually depicted in an 'actual comic book' performed by the hulk.
is as follows:
1) the HULK can bend adamantium.
(Marvel Team-Up Vol.1 #18: Hulk wraps Blastaar in a ball of Adamantium and tosses him in the ocean.)
2) Hulk can break through Very Powerful 'force fields'.
(Breaks A Very Powerful Forcefield
TIH #198: Hulk is trapped by the Elder of the Univers known as the Collector. The collector states : "Your trapped in the most powerful forcefield at my disposal, so if your inclined to smash at something, try smashing THAT!! The Hulk begins to pound away at the shield. Narration then states :"At first the man brutes massive fists prove ineffectual against the shimmering energy sheild--but that does not deter him--for the madder Hulk gets--the stronger Hulk gets-- and as anyone who has ever met the green goliath can tell you--HIs RAGE--And his POWER--ARE BOUNDLESS!!".
AND
The Order #4: The Hulk shows sufficient strength to break out of the Silver Surfers force barrier. The Silver surfer has CASUALLY created barriers that can allow normaly humans to withstand black hole level gravity. Surfer was fully concentrating on containing the Hulk and failed due to the Hulks ever increasing anger/strength.
AND
The Defenders Vol.2 #8: The Kree employ a technology that repels your own power against you. Each of the Defenders are trapped in a force shield comprised and powerred by this energy. Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, and Namor all pass out attempting to break free of the force barrier. Hulk with his ever increasing strength is the only one that is able to break the barrier.)
3).Breaks The Pit That Holds The Flame Of Life
(TIH #242: Hulk's range causes his strength to increase to unseen limits until he is capable of breaking the pit where the Flame of Life is contained.
The pit is a deviant machine built to defeat the Celestials on thier next visit. Narration states: "He just pulls all the more, straining with every iota of his strength to rip free this infernal object...becmoming madder and madder, his strength BUILDING with his anger, as he tugs against a device built to withstand the power of gods (celestials)! But this is the power of the Hulk! AND ULTIMATLEY, THERE IS NO FORCE STRONGER THAN THE HULK!". )
4).Hulk can cause incredible SHOCKWAVES
(Hulk Annual #3: Hulk strikes the ground so hard that he sends shockwaves all the way from Colorado, USA to Denmark, Europe.
Hulk Annual #3: Hulk with another supersonic clap is able to produce a shockwave that "puts to shame the most powerful hurricanes in the history of the planet".
Hulk Annual #8: Hulk's fight against the Sasquatch, the Hulk looms to deliver what the narrator calls the "death blow" (it would have killed Sasquatch). Sasquatch luckily rolls to avoid the punch, but the Hulk ends up collapsing a large part of the Rocky mountian chain.)
5).Defeats Very Powerful Enemies
TIH2 #321, and TIH2 #322: Nearly annihilates two Avengers teams (minus Thor), that included Namor, She Hulk, Hercules, Wonder Man, and Iron Man. The Hulk nearly killed Iron Man during the fight, while Wonder Man feared for his life.
TIH2 #383, and TIH2 #459: Quickly shut down the Abomination.
TIH2 #404: Two punches effectively stunned the Juggernaut, sending him to his knees.
6).Destroys A Huge Asteroid
Marvel Comics Presents #52: With the help of some gadgets that enhance his jumping the Hulk is able to leap into space to smash an asteroid that is greater than double the planet earths mass.
7).Destroys Onslaught's Armor
Marvel Universe Onslaught: The fight with Onslaught. Onslaught was generating a psionic storm. None of the heroes had the strength to even get close to Onslaught, including Thor and Ironman who was being aided by Joseph. The Hulk however appeared to be on a totally different powerscale as he could not only advance against the strom, but continue the fight as if the storm had no effect on him. The Hulk proves to be able to overpower Onslaught and smash him with but a blow, after reaching insane anger levels. Onslaught had previously beat Juggernaut to the point of death. and in between his fights with Juggernaut and the Hulk Onslaught recieved 2 powerups. After one of which he stated "I have become even more powerful than my wildest imaginations". The Onslaught shell Hulk destroyed was far more powerful than the version that nearly killed the Juggernaut. Also Juggernaut has taken Thors godly essence blast without harm. Just to show Juggernauts power. Also in that same comic the Hulk was battling in the face of a psionic storm that was keeping Thor at bay. Thor lacked the strength to even approach the site of the battle. Hulk stood agianst the storm unphazed by its repelling power.
8).Destroys The High Evolutionary's Armor
TIH #266: Hulk is able to destroy the seemingly unbreakable armor of the High Evolutionary. The super being let the Hulk bang his armor, cos he wanted to die. He did provoke his death later on.
9).Grasps An Energy Bubble
TIH #242: The Hulk is able to grasp an energy bubble that is indicated by narration to be impossible to do. It didn't even have physical mass.... "that something--anything--should be able to grip hold of an energy should be imppossible! But the Hulk grabs hold of it just the same! The field begins to stretch LIKE a physical thing in his grasp--as he pushes and pulls with EVER INCREASING MIGHT, until--The barrier collapses!!".
10_.Hulk Is Power Incarnate
Secret Wars II #8: The Beyonder searches for the Hulk and finds him in the desert. Hulk attacks the Beyonder. Beyonder puts the Hulk in stasis and begins to probe him. The Beyonder says of the Hulks inner potential: "You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone (himself)."
11).Leaps His Way Accross The Pacific
TTA #68: Hulk leaps his way accross the Pacific, from Asia to America, from island to island, even from plane to plane! Not just an extraordinay display of leg power, but of reflexes and coordination.
12).Moves Extremelly Fast
TIH2 #388: Hulk is able to tag Speedfreek, who was said to move faster than the eye can see.TIH2 #406: Hulk is able to move fast enough to tie up a stunned Captain America in a light post.
TIH2 #409: Hulk is able to to leap fast enough and keep up with (for a short time) Madman's jet. (Contributed by Russell Brisson)
Hulk Hulk is leaping and lands on a squad car. The cop's radar clocks the Hulk in at 473 mph.
13). Overcomes The Matter Antimatter Attraction
Marvel Team-Up Guest Starring Spider-Man: Hulk overcomes the matter antimatter attraction between two bombs. Both the creator of the bomb as well as Bruce Banner agree that overcoming the attraction should be scientifically impossible. As the attraction is a "force of nature". Hulk not only seperates the 2 but goes further by knocking one of them millions of miles away into space.
14. Reaches the Leader's Kenitictronic Gloves
TIH #225: Hulk is fighitng the Leader who is wielding his kenitictronic gloves. They deflect the all kenetic energy used against them back at thier foe. Hulk eventuals grows strong enough to overcome the gloves (or his own power) (3 minutes). Narration states: "Unfortunatley the Leader has forgotten a well kown fact: The madder the Hulk gets, the stronger the Hulk gets! And when it comes to anger the Hulk knows no limits!!".
15).Supports A Mountain On His Back
Secret Wars #4: The Banner Hulk saves his life and that of several super heroes (Spider-Man, Reed Richards, Iron Man, and Captain America, among others) by supporting on his back and shoulders, the weight of a huge mountain, thrown on top of them by the Molecule Man.
Additional text contributed by Russell Brisson: A calm Hulk catches and supports at least in part, a mountian range that "dwarfs the Andes". Reed Richards attempts to make the banner controlled Hulk angry so that he doesn't tire. The banner controlled Hulk is historically horrible at getting angry.
Hulk/Sentry: A 100% calm Hulk is able to hold up a mountian long enough for the subterraneans to escape.
16).Throws A Gem To The Center Of A Planet
TIH #248: Hulk throws the soul gem of the Gardener from the surface of planet K'ai, to its core, which means the gem penetrated the planet's very soil until it reached the center.
17).
Throws The Sub-Mariner From Key West To Miami
TTA #100: In this classic issue beautifully drawn by Marie Severin, Hulk throws Namor from the southern east point of the USA to the beaches of Miami. That's about 100 miles. The Sub-Mariner uses the wings of his ankles as brakes, otherwise, we would have landed even further (who knows where...)
magneto doesnt stand a chance.
"Although Magneto's power is not on the level of the Silver Surfer in his prime, it is for all practical purposes limitless. Even before his rejuvenation, Magneto once lifted a cargo freighter weighing 30,000 tons 50 feet into the air from a distance of 300 feet away. (He also realeased a global EMP, and even reversed the earth's magnetic poles, putting the entire planet in danger of spinning out of orbit and colliding with another planet, actually having the earth fall apart, and countless other possible outcomes.)
Although Magneto's primary power is magnetism, he seems to have some ability to project or manipulate any form of energy that is related to magnetism. In the past he has fired a bolt of electricity, he has also created enough intense heat to destroy a metal door. Heat, or infrared radiation, is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which also includes visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma-rays, and x-rays. Magneto may be able to project any of these. He has also been shown creating an anti-gravity field, and presumably does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object. Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the long sought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, so perhaps it is more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy."
Oh man, Did I see gamma rays in there? Magneto can control gamma radiation!? Well, not even I knew that. Looks like Hulk will be forced to his potential if Magneto were to start sapping him of his power. The ONLY thing Magneto has going against him is that he is human, and old. That's it.
Magneto wins.
very very impressive. and i like everything stated but...........if you pay close attention to what all 17 examples have in common is that they are all tangible, meaning the hulk got to put his hands on something. no one is denying that if the hulk gets his hands on magneto its over for mag, but the hulk can be killed by having limbs severed with sharp enuff objects or brute force. if you go back to the recently completed hulk series INCREDIBLE HULK:69 (or if you can get it in TPB) THE INCREDIBLE HULK vol 7: DEAD LIKE ME. in the final battle between him and the doppelganger he basically sacrificed himself so that betty and Nadia can have a peacful life, the copy smashed his head in and scattered his brains all over the desert and betty and doc sampson had to come bury him. even though in some crazy ass kind o way they showed him waking up in a post apocalytic future in a later story arc,the fact still remains that it took a really long time for his healing factor to put his brain cells back together. if magneto sails a barrage of metal spears at the hulk there is no way he can deflect all of them b4 one takes his freaking head off
on a side note.other than the one time hulk nearly jumped into orbit. name one time when he's ever been in deep space without a protecive suit, and one instant when he proved that he's impervious to suffocation. i said it once and i'll probably say it a million times. how is the hulk gonna get close to lay a hand on him?
Nomsams...that was an excellent list... I cant help but feel sorry for the Magneto supporters after that, cuz i like magneto...but your right, its like the Beyonder says, the Hulk is infinite power...Magneto could not hope to escape the Hulk, magento can fly pretty fast but the Hulk has cought fighter plains and guided missiles simply by leaping...magneto cant fly that fast or manuever that fast...his human body couldnt handle it, granted he could defend himself from wind resistance, otherwise he couldnt even pass 140mph or he'd suffocate...Magneto could try and throw a couple buildings at Hulk...but that would require a lot of his energy and then his human metabolism and tire...comparing magneto to the surfer is utterly ridiculous though...magneto can mimic some lower level Surfer affects...however the Surfer has godlike stamina and durability...the Surfer can shatter a moon without affecting his endurance...magneto tries something like that and he passes out shortly after...the Hulk has more power inside him than the Surfer, like beyonder said he is infinfite, like the tribunal said, the Hulk's power is a threat to the whole universe
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
"Oh man, Did I see gamma rays in there? Magneto can control gamma radiation!? Well, not even I knew that. Looks like Hulk will be forced to his potential if Magneto were to start sapping him of his power. The ONLY thing Magneto has going against him is that he is human, and old. That's it.
Magneto wins.
yep, thats bcuz gamma rays are apart of the EM spectrum, (gasp) the horror! he could sap the hulks radiation if he knew how. maybe not enuff cure him of his hulkness but certainly enuff to bring him back to banner
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
"Although Magneto's power is not on the level of the Silver Surfer in his prime, [b]it is for all practical purposes limitless. Even before his rejuvenation, Magneto once lifted a cargo freighter weighing 30,000 tons 50 feet into the air from a distance of 300 feet away. (He also realeased a global EMP, and even reversed the earth's magnetic poles, putting the entire planet in danger of spinning out of orbit and colliding with another planet, actually having the earth fall apart, and countless other possible outcomes.)Although Magneto's primary power is magnetism, he seems to have some ability to project or manipulate any form of energy that is related to magnetism. In the past he has fired a bolt of electricity, he has also created enough intense heat to destroy a metal door. Heat, or infrared radiation, is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which also includes visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma-rays, and x-rays. Magneto may be able to project any of these. He has also been shown creating an anti-gravity field, and presumably does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object. Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the long sought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, so perhaps it is more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy."
Oh man, Did I see gamma rays in there? Magneto can control gamma radiation!? Well, not even I knew that. Looks like Hulk will be forced to his potential if Magneto were to start sapping him of his power. The ONLY thing Magneto has going against him is that he is human, and old. That's it.
Magneto wins. [/B]