Magneto vs The Hulk

the hulk is not "empowered" by nuclear energy...he operates on a higher level than mutants like magneto, except Franklin Richards...The Hulks power is not limited by the cells in his body like magneto...The Hulk uses mass and energy from his own personal dimension which the Tribunal and Beyonder have called infinite and a threat...magneto is not on this level...he may have some ability to manipulate electromagnetism and some other wavelengths of energy, but this manipulation is not as powerful as his primary ability, his control of regular magnetism...electromagnetism was never originally part of his powers...his electromagnetic powers are secondary and developed later...mainly from bad writers who were confused about science and wanted to elaborate on magneto's powers...you cannot argue with Nomsans list form earlier, Hulk has displayed more power than magneto...and his powers make him a greater to magneto and magneto's powers are not particularly threatening to the Hulk...Hulk wins but like someone else said back there, u guys will never change your mind, all I can do is keep posting reasons why Hulk would win

Actually, I could make a guess as to the hulks universe-

It might be at the start of a cycle on a universe, when antimatter hits matter. The ultimate atom splitting power. Maybe Bruce Banner has a passive mutant ability that allowed him to link to this near infinite source of power when empowered by the bomb.

it hasnt been explained to my knowledge, how or when his personal dimension was created...all I know is he has it and that his power is limitless...thats why Beyonder called him infinite and the Tribunal called him a threat to the universe

FACE IT, the HULK WINS. Why? Well he's super-fast, has infinite power (according to the Beyonder), can breakthrough even Silver Surfer's barrier, beats Jugger with 2 punches. HULK is a POWER INCARNATE, he's powerful in everyway, from intelligence to speed to strength.

Magneto wouldn't be able to even concentrate on the Hulk if he was moving as fast as he could, all Hulk needs to kill a weakling like Magneto is a simple fast strike, and magneto's DEAD. Remember Hulk can move faster than the eye can see if he wanted too.

Just look for yourself, with PROOF from the comic books.

Originally posted by nomsans
ok ...i am sure hulk can build a city in outter space if he wanted too...what does that prove?

lets just go down the line...
the following are all feats of strength actually depicted in an 'actual comic book' performed by the hulk.
is as follows:

1) the HULK can bend adamantium.
(Marvel Team-Up Vol.1 #18: Hulk wraps Blastaar in a ball of Adamantium and tosses him in the ocean.)

2) Hulk can break through Very Powerful 'force fields'.
(Breaks A Very Powerful Forcefield
TIH #198: Hulk is trapped by the Elder of the Univers known as the Collector. The collector states : "Your trapped in the most powerful forcefield at my disposal, so if your inclined to smash at something, try smashing THAT!! The Hulk begins to pound away at the shield. Narration then states :"At first the man brutes massive fists prove ineffectual against the shimmering energy sheild--but that does not deter him--for the madder Hulk gets--the stronger Hulk gets-- and as anyone who has ever met the green goliath can tell you--HIs RAGE--And his POWER--ARE BOUNDLESS!!".
AND
The Order #4: The Hulk shows sufficient strength to break out of the Silver Surfers force barrier. The Silver surfer has CASUALLY created barriers that can allow normaly humans to withstand black hole level gravity. Surfer was fully concentrating on containing the Hulk and failed due to the Hulks ever increasing anger/strength.
AND
The Defenders Vol.2 #8: The Kree employ a technology that repels your own power against you. Each of the Defenders are trapped in a force shield comprised and powerred by this energy. Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, and Namor all pass out attempting to break free of the force barrier. Hulk with his ever increasing strength is the only one that is able to break the barrier.)

3).Breaks The Pit That Holds The Flame Of Life
(TIH #242: Hulk's range causes his strength to increase to unseen limits until he is capable of breaking the pit where the Flame of Life is contained.
The pit is a deviant machine built to defeat the Celestials on thier next visit. Narration states: "He just pulls all the more, straining with every iota of his strength to rip free this infernal object...becmoming madder and madder, his strength BUILDING with his anger, as he tugs against a device built to withstand the power of gods (celestials)! But this is the power of the Hulk! AND ULTIMATLEY, THERE IS NO FORCE STRONGER THAN THE HULK!". )

4).Hulk can cause incredible SHOCKWAVES
(Hulk Annual #3: Hulk strikes the ground so hard that he sends shockwaves all the way from Colorado, USA to Denmark, Europe.
Hulk Annual #3: Hulk with another supersonic clap is able to produce a shockwave that "puts to shame the most powerful hurricanes in the history of the planet".
Hulk Annual #8: Hulk's fight against the Sasquatch, the Hulk looms to deliver what the narrator calls the "death blow" (it would have killed Sasquatch). Sasquatch luckily rolls to avoid the punch, but the Hulk ends up collapsing a large part of the Rocky mountian chain.)

5).Defeats Very Powerful Enemies
TIH2 #321, and TIH2 #322: Nearly annihilates two Avengers teams (minus Thor), that included Namor, She Hulk, Hercules, Wonder Man, and Iron Man. The Hulk nearly killed Iron Man during the fight, while Wonder Man feared for his life.
TIH2 #383, and TIH2 #459: Quickly shut down the Abomination.
TIH2 #404: Two punches effectively stunned the Juggernaut, sending him to his knees.

6).Destroys A Huge Asteroid
Marvel Comics Presents #52: With the help of some gadgets that enhance his jumping the Hulk is able to leap into space to smash an asteroid that is greater than double the planet earths mass.

7).Destroys Onslaught's Armor
Marvel Universe Onslaught: The fight with Onslaught. Onslaught was generating a psionic storm. None of the heroes had the strength to even get close to Onslaught, including Thor and Ironman who was being aided by Joseph. The Hulk however appeared to be on a totally different powerscale as he could not only advance against the strom, but continue the fight as if the storm had no effect on him. The Hulk proves to be able to overpower Onslaught and smash him with but a blow, after reaching insane anger levels. Onslaught had previously beat Juggernaut to the point of death. and in between his fights with Juggernaut and the Hulk Onslaught recieved 2 powerups. After one of which he stated "I have become even more powerful than my wildest imaginations". The Onslaught shell Hulk destroyed was far more powerful than the version that nearly killed the Juggernaut. Also Juggernaut has taken Thors godly essence blast without harm. Just to show Juggernauts power. Also in that same comic the Hulk was battling in the face of a psionic storm that was keeping Thor at bay. Thor lacked the strength to even approach the site of the battle. Hulk stood agianst the storm unphazed by its repelling power.

8).Destroys The High Evolutionary's Armor
TIH #266: Hulk is able to destroy the seemingly unbreakable armor of the High Evolutionary. The super being let the Hulk bang his armor, cos he wanted to die. He did provoke his death later on.

9).Grasps An Energy Bubble
TIH #242: The Hulk is able to grasp an energy bubble that is indicated by narration to be impossible to do. It didn't even have physical mass.... "that something--anything--should be able to grip hold of an energy should be imppossible! But the Hulk grabs hold of it just the same! The field begins to stretch LIKE a physical thing in his grasp--as he pushes and pulls with EVER INCREASING MIGHT, until--The barrier collapses!!".

10_.Hulk Is Power Incarnate
Secret Wars II #8: The Beyonder searches for the Hulk and finds him in the desert. Hulk attacks the Beyonder. Beyonder puts the Hulk in stasis and begins to probe him. The Beyonder says of the Hulks inner potential: "You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone (himself)."

11).Leaps His Way Accross The Pacific
TTA #68: Hulk leaps his way accross the Pacific, from Asia to America, from island to island, even from plane to plane! Not just an extraordinay display of leg power, but of reflexes and coordination.

12).Moves Extremelly Fast
TIH2 #388: Hulk is able to tag Speedfreek, who was said to move faster than the eye can see.TIH2 #406: Hulk is able to move fast enough to tie up a stunned Captain America in a light post.
TIH2 #409: Hulk is able to to leap fast enough and keep up with (for a short time) Madman's jet. (Contributed by Russell Brisson)
Hulk Hulk is leaping and lands on a squad car. The cop's radar clocks the Hulk in at 473 mph.

13). Overcomes The Matter Antimatter Attraction
Marvel Team-Up Guest Starring Spider-Man: Hulk overcomes the matter antimatter attraction between two bombs. Both the creator of the bomb as well as Bruce Banner agree that overcoming the attraction should be scientifically impossible. As the attraction is a "force of nature". Hulk not only seperates the 2 but goes further by knocking one of them millions of miles away into space.

14. Reaches the Leader's Kenitictronic Gloves
TIH #225: Hulk is fighitng the Leader who is wielding his kenitictronic gloves. They deflect the all kenetic energy used against them back at thier foe. Hulk eventuals grows strong enough to overcome the gloves (or his own power) (3 minutes). Narration states: "Unfortunatley the Leader has forgotten a well kown fact: The madder the Hulk gets, the stronger the Hulk gets! And when it comes to anger the Hulk knows no limits!!".

15).Supports A Mountain On His Back
Secret Wars #4: The Banner Hulk saves his life and that of several super heroes (Spider-Man, Reed Richards, Iron Man, and Captain America, among others) by supporting on his back and shoulders, the weight of a huge mountain, thrown on top of them by the Molecule Man.
Additional text contributed by Russell Brisson: A calm Hulk catches and supports at least in part, a mountian range that "dwarfs the Andes". Reed Richards attempts to make the banner controlled Hulk angry so that he doesn't tire. The banner controlled Hulk is historically horrible at getting angry.
Hulk/Sentry: A 100% calm Hulk is able to hold up a mountian long enough for the subterraneans to escape.

16).Throws A Gem To The Center Of A Planet
TIH #248: Hulk throws the soul gem of the Gardener from the surface of planet K'ai, to its core, which means the gem penetrated the planet's very soil until it reached the center.

17).
Throws The Sub-Mariner From Key West To Miami
TTA #100: In this classic issue beautifully drawn by Marie Severin, Hulk throws Namor from the southern east point of the USA to the beaches of Miami. That's about 100 miles. The Sub-Mariner uses the wings of his ankles as brakes, otherwise, we would have landed even further (who knows where...)

magneto doesnt stand a chance.

ok heres some more for ya:

TIH #308: Hulk vs the Ngarai demon in the crossroads of infinity: The demon was gutting the Hulk, and the narrator stated that the Hulk had to remain enraged just to survive the encounter, much less defeat him. The demon was owning the Hulk severly. HOwever after noticing that his only friend was gone, the Hulk assumes that the demon had killed him. And at that point goes bezerk over the edge. The demon is then beaten unconcious in blows.

TIH #270: Hulk fights the Abomination who has more than 2 times Hulks initial strength. After initially being overwhelmed the Hulk comes back to soundly defeat him. he beat the Abomination so badly that the Abomination developed a great fear and dread of the Hulk. Hulk also goes on to state "it wouldn't matter if you were 10 times madder, all Hulk would have to do is get 10 times stronger".

TIH #205: The Crypto Man incident. Crypto Man started with equal to Thors strength. he and Hulk exchanged blows evenly at length. However when the Crypto Man accidentally kills Jarella, The Hulk goes off the deep end. Crypto Mans creator then poors even more power into the Crypto Man, "enough to devastate a planet if need be" in an attempt to compensate for the Hulks increasing strength. However that utterley proves futile as the Hulk destroys him in 3 blows.

Hulk Annual 2001: Thor states that the Hulk may well be stronger than any foe he has ever faced (includes Mangog? Destroyer?)And because of his strength he would have to use other methods of attack. This is stated just after the Hulk had beaten Thor motionless in 3 blows. Thor also, "straining every asgardian muscle" is only able to stalemate Vector, The Hulk has overcome Vectors powers on at least 2 occasions.

ALSO:

Thor #385: Thor states: "Is there no limit to the beast's strength?". The Thunder God states this while lying beaten and bloody on the ground.

Marvel the RPG game (1998): Hulk potential strength is listed at limitless. Guys like Thor, Juggernaut are 19s. destroyer armor is 24, Drax starts at 20 but can go 25 at max (with powergem). Celestials and Galactus are listed at 30s. Hulk is the only character whos strength can potentially go beyond 30 (he starts at 19).

Way too much shit has been posted for me to quote all of that.

Someone said "Hulk would get to 2000 tons and walk through Magneto's evergy feild" or something like that...

You are saying Magneto tops out at 2000 tons!? hahahaha. That's funny. I seem to remember an instance where he lifeted a 30,000 ton cargo frieghter into the air.

Someone else said something about Hulk being too fast for Magneto...When was the last time Hulk moved at the speed of THOUGHT? You know, because it only takes Magneto a thought to use his powers.

As for all of those displays of Hulk's strength, they really only prove that he is physically strong, and his strength is infinite. I KNOW THIS. I've defended Hulk MANY times, but I don't here, because he needs to get his hands on something to destroy it. When is someone going to see this!? In a fight, you not only need to factor in a character's strength and weakness, but their fighting style. Apparently, Hulk gets bored easily when he can't do anything. After an hour or two of not being able to touch Magneto, and seeing that Magneto wants nothing to do with him, he'd go off and find something fun to do. Like smashing things. He likes doing that. Or, has noone else noticed that trend in Hulk's persona?

the hulk would penetrate mags force fiels with his fingers and bit by bit hulk would tear a hole through mags energy field time and again, and just walk right through. the hulk would be able to physically 'grasp' mags energies with his bare hands and pass through it. there is nothing that could really give mags a fighting chance otehr than literally running away and avoiding the inevitable anyway.

Yeah Magneto would be able to keep the Hulk at bay, but he would not be able to beat him. Hulk is virtually unbeatable since he can literally be burned to a crisp and then regenerate himself. One thing I don't like though is how Hulk has limitless strength now. In the old days, Hulk and Thor wrestled to a stalemate, neither one could overpower the other. What the hell happened to Hulk to make him 'limitless?' I haven't read Hulk since the mid-90s.

And where is this info on Drax? I seem to remember him getting his ass kicked by most of the cosmic bad guys he's fought. I don't put him over Thor or Hulk at all.

By the way, saying that Magneto would never let Hulk get to him doesn't make much sense anyway. He's let plenty of enemies get to him. Wolverine 'got' to him when he tore into his abdomen. Thus Magneto 'lets' opponents get to him.

Hulk can overcome almost anything whatever magneto throws at him. Mags best chance is to stay the hell away and keep as far back in this battle as he can.

If Hulk can break through Silver Surfer's barrier, what makes you say that he can't break through magneto's force field? The Hulk is fast enough to get magneto.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Hulk can overcome almost anything whatever magneto throws at him. Mags best chance is to stay the hell away and keep as far back in this battle as he can.

sorry evangel, but this post shows how much you DON´T know magneto.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Way too much shit has been posted for me to quote all of that.

Someone said "Hulk would get to 2000 tons and walk through Magneto's evergy feild" or something like that...

You are saying Magneto tops out at 2000 tons!? hahahaha. That's funny. I seem to remember an instance where he lifeted a 30,000 ton cargo frieghter into the air.

Someone else said something about Hulk being too fast for Magneto...When was the last time Hulk moved at the speed of THOUGHT? You know, because it only takes Magneto a thought to use his powers.

As for all of those displays of Hulk's strength, they really only prove that he is physically strong, and his strength is infinite. I KNOW THIS. I've defended Hulk MANY times, but I don't here, because he needs to get his hands on something to destroy it. When is someone going to see this!? In a fight, you not only need to factor in a character's strength and weakness, but their [b]fighting style. Apparently, Hulk gets bored easily when he can't do anything. After an hour or two of not being able to touch Magneto, and seeing that Magneto wants nothing to do with him, he'd go off and find something fun to do. Like smashing things. He likes doing that. Or, has noone else noticed that trend in Hulk's persona? [/B]

First, of the metal. 30000 is Magneto's outer limits, at huge objects? With his favourite power? 2000 tons would be enough for hulk to walk through, as it's 7000 tons or something like that per square metre. Magneto has what, three, four tons per square metre, as it envelops the entire item? Hulk tops out at two or three hundred billion tons, though if he got scared enough he could do more.

Magneto may be fast with his powers, but can he move his bubble at the speed of thought? Hulk can jump miles up.

Finally, on anger. If he gets to just 2000 tons then he could snap Magneto's shield like a bug in several blows. The power requires consious will power, which can be broken as GL proves. It wouldn't take two hours, nor could Magneto hold Hulk off for long, due to Hulks anger at failing.

As much as you may want to disagree, you are a dieing species. Give up to change.

👽 Hulk easy, magneto may wrap him in metal bars or try to impale him on them, all hulk has to do is to jump up wrap his arms around magneto and squeeze and his head will pop off.

Originally posted by Ytaker
First, of the metal. 30000 is Magneto's outer limits, at huge objects? With his favourite power? 2000 tons would be enough for hulk to walk through, as it's 7000 tons or something like that per square metre. Magneto has what, three, four tons per square metre, as it envelops the entire item? Hulk tops out at two or three hundred billion tons, though if he got scared enough he could do more.

Magneto may be fast with his powers, but can he move his bubble at the speed of thought? Hulk can jump miles up.

Finally, on anger. If he gets to just 2000 tons then he could snap Magneto's shield like a bug in several blows. The power requires consious will power, which can be broken as GL proves. It wouldn't take two hours, nor could Magneto hold Hulk off for long, due to Hulks anger at failing.

As much as you may want to disagree, you are a dieing species. Give up to change.

haha, that's cute, a dying species.

Yes, he can move his bubble at the speed of thought. He moves it at whatever speed he wants. It doesn't matter if Hulk can jump, miles up. Where the hell did that come from? You are just pulling shit out of your ass.

You are comapring Magneto's power with GREEN LANTERN!? What the ****!? NOWHERE does it say that Magneto's powers are based on willpower. Magneto THINKS and things get done. He doesn't have to use his willpower. That was one of the most retarded things I have ever heard. Comparing GL and Magneto...They don't even have similar powers, let alone that they are from different comic book companies.

Nowhere is it stated that 30,000 tons is Magneto's limit. That's the maximum that he has been shown to lift. Hulk would have to power up to WAY more than 2,000 tons to break through a force feild that has 30,000 tons of pressure anyway.

Your WHOLE argument was pulled out of your ass. There is NOTHING backing it up. Take a course in debating or something, because your argument is weak. You have NOTHING to refute my argument "As for all of those displays of Hulk's strength, they really only prove that he is physically strong, and his strength is infinite. I KNOW THIS. I've defended Hulk MANY times, but I don't here, because he needs to get his hands on something to destroy it. When is someone going to see this!? In a fight, you not only need to factor in a character's strength and weakness, but their fighting style. Apparently, Hulk gets bored easily when he can't do anything. After an hour or two of not being able to touch Magneto, and seeing that Magneto wants nothing to do with him, he'd go off and find something fun to do. Like smashing things. He likes doing that. Or, has noone else noticed that trend in Hulk's persona?"

Originally posted by norrin radd
sorry evangel, but this post shows how much you DON´T know magneto.

Give it a rest. That's one of the most weakest counters to an argument I've ever seen.

1. Grey hulk leaped several hundred miles into space, which is impressive even with leg boosters.
2. Sorry, I just assume that everything’s like Enterprise, where when the shields are hits, sparks fly out of the hull.
3.If his max strength shown is 30000, then that's the best figure to go on. Is Magneto listed as limitless? Anyway, back to the 2000 tons. He would exceed that, but I was making a point that Magneto's power is probably on a wide scale, or he'd just propel a steel bar into the X-men at 30000 tons. That would be... many thousand of metres per second? Something fast. But Hulk, using only his fists can propel 2000 tons of force.

His bodily strength is clearly greater, as he lifts massive weights whilst quite calm, but in a fight 2000 tons is quite a reasonable hit. If Magneto could propel 30000 tons of pressure, he could kill everyone within miles by wiping out the country side (if the writers don’t say it, then it doesn’t happen). He's clearly just small power wide area guy, a thing that you conveniently didn't disprove.

Second to finally, you ignored my subtle insinuation. He could beat up Magneto in an hour. Only if Magneto found some here to undiscovered strategy that took ten minutes, could he win.

Finally, excite me. I get bored batting back and forth the same points with refinements over and over again. Put it a joke song, add a weird quote, draw a crappy picture of Magneto smashing the Hulk in with a garden fork. Or anything not completely boring.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Give it a rest. That's one of the most weakest counters to an argument I've ever seen.

wrong again, it wasn´t an argument, i´m just tired of ppl who says, magneto can trow what he wants to hulk. Magneto is able to control electromagnetism, he can do much more then trow things, read the posts.