Originally posted by Ytaker
1. Grey hulk leaped several hundred miles into space, which is impressive even with leg boosters.
2. Sorry, I just assume that everything’s like Enterprise, where when the shields are hits, sparks fly out of the hull.
3.If his max strength shown is 30000, then that's the best figure to go on. Is Magneto listed as limitless? Anyway, back to the 2000 tons. He would exceed that, but I was making a point that Magneto's power is probably on a wide scale, or he'd just propel a steel bar into the X-men at 30000 tons. That would be... many thousand of metres per second? Something fast. But Hulk, using only his fists can propel 2000 tons of force.His bodily strength is clearly greater, as he lifts massive weights whilst quite calm, but in a fight 2000 tons is quite a reasonable hit. If Magneto could propel 30000 tons of pressure, he could kill everyone within miles by wiping out the country side (if the writers don’t say it, then it doesn’t happen). He's clearly just small power wide area guy, a thing that you conveniently didn't disprove.
Second to finally, you ignored my subtle insinuation. He could beat up Magneto in an hour. Only if Magneto found some here to undiscovered strategy that took ten minutes, could he win.
Finally, excite me. I get bored batting back and forth the same points with refinements over and over again. Put it a joke song, add a weird quote, draw a crappy picture of Magneto smashing the Hulk in with a garden fork. Or anything not completely boring.
Do you NOT pay attention? An EMP blast 423,333 times the EMP energy a nuclear weapon releases is SMALL power? Granted, you are right about wide space. A blast covering the entire planet IS wide. Lifiting 30,000 ton frieghter is NOT small power, wide area. It's a small area, great power. Since when did lifting 30,000 tons mean nothing!? Apparently, everyone skips this part. What keeps you from believing that he CAN propel a steel bar into an X-Men at 30,000 tons of pressure?
Of course Hulk's bodily strength is greater. Noone is refuting that. Why are you bringing up points noone is trying to argue? Hulk unleasing a 2,000 ton punch does not go through a force field containing 30,000 tons of resistance force. The attacking force has to be greater than the resistant force for it to break through. Simple physics.
By the way, it isn't "several hundred miles into space" It's 64 miles straight up until you breach the atmosphere, and are officially in space. After that there is no friction, and the slightest breath will push you hundreds of yards.
I'm not here for your amusement. Want something to amuse yourself? Go into the bathroom and play with yourself. Come here for a debate.
Five top reasons why Magneto would lose
1. Magneto is a bad guy. Whilst bad guys can win, this is only when faced with their normal foes. Outsiders require Leagues
2. The madder Hulk gets, the more likely he is to win. This is beacause comic book writers don't want to think up intelligant solutions. So he would smash him, as they know no other way.
3. Hulk often has a wife to kill. Magneto doesn't.
4. 10P*A to the power of six/T=DM (10 Punches times anger times itself six times/ time= Dead Magneto)
And the best one of all.
1. He's combustable. If Hulk hit him, broke his shield and held him ove a fire Magneto would burn.
So in conclution, If you can entertain someone do so. If You can annoy them with pointless statements, even better.
Originally posted by Ytaker
Five top reasons why Magneto would lose1. Magneto is a bad guy. Whilst bad guys can win, this is only when faced with their normal foes. Outsiders require Leagues
2. The madder Hulk gets, the more likely he is to win. This is beacause comic book writers don't want to think up intelligant solutions. So he would smash him, as they know no other way.
3. Hulk often has a wife to kill. Magneto doesn't.
4. 10P*A to the power of six/T=DM (10 Punches times anger times itself six times/ time= Dead Magneto)
And the best one of all.
1. He's combustable. If Hulk hit him, broke his shield and held him ove a fire Magneto would burn.
So in conclution, If you can entertain someone do so. If You can annoy them with pointless statements, even better.
It´s official this is the worts post i´ve ever read, no wonder ppl ignore you. Hulk win because is a hero and magneto´s not, wow that was deep man, really deep, and the others reasons you´ve said, are so ridiculous just like the first.
you said "comic book writers don't want to think up intelligant solutions"
in that case you are saying that IF the writers were more inteligent, they shoul put magneto winning, but since they are not, they would put hulk winning is that it? LOL
But back to debating.
1. Are you sure that the EMP blast is posible within Magneto's power? I'm not. Give me a site of the dimentions of a freighter. Why not the 30000 ton spear? Because they are ALIVE. If he could, he'd kill the more annoying ones.
2. You aren't listening. I'm saying that Magneto doesn't have a 30000 ton shield, because if he did, then he'd be able to wipe out anything by releasing a small fraction of it. He doesn't. Therefore, it's less than 30000 tons. Simple physics which you've ignored for four arguements or so.
3. Since when could stop moving in space. With one leap, he accelerated out of earths orbit (11000 mph?) and a bit further. And just for you, the slightest breath will send you anywhere eventually, not just a hundred yards, but anywhere. It'll take some time though.
4. I am. I debate for amusement. But this debate is getting boring. I know you could make it more amusing, and be less offensive to me in public (Private message me, acording to Paola). Try it.
Originally posted by norrin radd
It´s official this is the worts post i´ve ever read, no wonder ppl ignore you. Hulk win because is a hero and magneto´s not, wow that was deep man, really deep, and the others reasons you´ve said, are so ridiculous just like the first.you said "comic book writers don't want to think up intelligant solutions"
in that case you are saying that IF the writers were more inteligent, they shoul put magneto winning, but since they are not, they would put hulk winning is that it? LOL
No, it was a joke. You apperently aren't that intelligent.
1. He's ALREADY unleashed the EMP blast. Would you like me to find the issue for you? He has already done it, so it IS within his power.
Just because Magneto doesn't USE something, doesn't mean he doean't HAVE it. If he has made a field to lift a 30,000 ton object, then he can make a field consisting of 30,000 tons of pressure. Simple ****ing logic.
The X-Men are alive because they are heroes. Why would Marvel kill off their best selling hero group? They'd have to make a whole new storyline to bring them back. We all know how much fans like reincarnation. Phoenix for example, I used to love her character, but the writers need to pick one, make her alive or dead, and ****ing stick with it.
This is true, the heroes do always win, but Hulk isn't actually a hero. He's neutral.
There is no such thing as being offensive over the internet. Don't be a baby. They're only words.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
1. He's ALREADY unleashed the EMP blast. Would you like me to find the issue for you? He has already done it, so it IS within his power.Just because Magneto doesn't USE something, doesn't mean he doean't HAVE it. If he has made a field to lift a 30,000 ton object, then he can make a field consisting of 30,000 tons of pressure. Simple ****ing logic.
The X-Men are alive because they are heroes. Why would Marvel kill off their best selling hero group? They'd have to make a whole new storyline to bring them back. We all know how much fans like reincarnation. Phoenix for example, I used to love her character, but the writers need to pick one, make her alive or dead, and ****ing stick with it.
This is true, the heroes do always win, but Hulk isn't actually a hero. He's neutral.
There is no such thing as being offensive over the internet. Don't be a baby. They're only words.
1. I'm saying it might have been bad writing. If it's impossible for the user can you count it? Gauging his power till he collapses in other situations, does it reach that scale?
2. He spread his field over a massive object, which weighed 30000 tons. This isn't proof that he could do it on a smaller object. If you can blow air at 1 ton/cm, then if the item weighed 10 tons, you could only move it if what you could blow was bigger than ten cm squared (To overcome friction and air resistance, and weight- maybe not perfectly accurate science but you should see my point, in that that object had 30000 square meters or so).
3. If they never use their max powers on enemies, then we can assume they don't exist. Superman could in theory use a super fart (he once did a super sneeze). But he doesn't, so it's not used as a reason why. If he never pushed the moon, then you couldn't even tip toe into the debate that he's stronger than Hulk. When Magneto propels a Metal stick with 30000 tons, that can enter the debate.
4. Did I say that Heroes always win? They don't, so that is an extraordinarily unbacked statement. Not even the Joke says that's always true (it says that Villains team up to beat super strong foes).
5. I'm just saying that you should stop acting like everyone else is an idiot who doesn't understand Magneto's obvious superiority, and that you annoy me when you swear due to your annoyance.
My positive points on your argument, compared with mine.
1. He clearly has wide spread power (But not incredible power for small things as well.)
2. He could launch a field (It would just be diaphraimic or anti gravity, or whatever it was that affected non metals, and unfocused)
3. Phoenix should be buried, or enshrined. Nothing short, as you said.
4. I'm pissed off, and get annoyed and sprout out a weird interpretation. (my interpretation, but still badly put)
5. You use swearwords regularly. I don't understand why.
If that's the case, then Hulk should not have held up that 150 billion ton mountain. I could count that as bad writing, seeing as Hulk had no time to actually power up. I could count Hulk breaking Onslaughts armor as bad writing, scince Juggernaut(who is argued to be nearly Hulk's equal) couldn't even touch him.
Heroes do always win. It was actually in the Comics Code that heroes ALWAYS had to win. Name ONCE were the villain has won. Thanos doesn't count, he defeated himself by destroying the universe like an idiot. Heroes may lose a few battles, but they always win the overall war.
mmm swearing. One of my favorite hobbies. Most people who use them are inarticulate fools who don't have a vocabulary larger than a bag of Skittles, but I use them to emphasize a point. They work beautifully as well, and are fun to say. Also, swearing was commonplace in my household growing up, so I kind of held onto it as a bad habit.
Originally posted by Ytaker
No, it was a joke. You apperently aren't that intelligent.
if the person who wrote your post was arach, i would though it was a joke, if it was wyndar i would tough it was a joke, if it was who-kid i would tough it was a joke (get the picture?), but since the person who wrote it was you, and judging all the crap i´ve read that you wrote, it was a simple mistake (and i wasn´t following your conversation with arach)
If you weren't following the conversation, then don't comment. We were batting forth the same concepts repeatedly, each ignoring the other’s view. I got bored and gave an example of humour. It seems to have taken
P.S. Arachnoidfreak- I think the 150 billion ton thing is just a tad brainless. I remember somebody posting that it was war hulk, and if that were true then it would be possible; Fear is the strongest amphetamine, and magic improves chemical efficiency. Otherwise, it was bloody stupid. The Onslaught thing though... Hulk admitted he hadn't a thing on Onslaught, and Jean made him into mindless hulk, which is supposedly pure animalistic rage. That would account for it.
Sorry about the Villain thing, I thought you meant that Heroes win in every battle. My mistake.
Originally posted by Wynndar
i already explained why the EMP comparison wasnt valid...magneto isnt even as powerful as a single nuke
Actually, your logic was a little off. I compared Magneto to the most powerful EMP device humans have to date. It doesn't matter if the EMP effect is secondary to a nuke, the resulting EMP blast is still the most powerful EMP blast humans have. Show me a device with a more powerful EMP blast, and I will compare Magneto to it.
If it was in the Comics Code, it was often ignored. Heroes did not always win, even in the 60s-80s. As for Magneto vs. Hulk, again, you people are using *or attempting to* use scientific evidence to support Magneto's powers. The word science is often thrown around in comic books, but it rarely has any place in them. Hulk was created by science, Banner is a scientist, how often is science incorporated into Hulk comics? Hulk smash, Magneto flee. The X-Men beat Magneto from time to time, what makes you think Hulk wouldn't when Hulk is the strongest hero in the Marvel universe and he's the one hero whose powers seem to habitually increase every other year or so. If you don't think Hulk can beat Magneto, give him another year and he'll gain an anti-magnetism power lol.