616 wolverine vs ultimate captain america · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

King KAM Senior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
I still say capt>>ultcap

i actually agree, ult cap is all pumped on steroids, but 616 would break his star-spangled boot off in his ass!

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by King KAM
i actually agree, ult cap is all pumped on steroids, but 616 would break his star-spangled boot off in his ass!

yup I fully agree

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

You read the end of Enemy of the State? The part where 616 Cap knocks out Wolverine for the count with a blow to the back of his head? All it took for that finishing blow was Wolvie getting his ass kicked around for a while. Ultimate Cap can kick Wolvie's ass around with change to spare and then deliver the same badass line, "Heal this" with more attitude than 616 Cap.

He'd probably say, "Heal that... b1tch."

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That's why I leave the writing to people like Millar...

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You read the end of Enemy of the State?

I own it and remember a lot better then you

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The part where 616 Cap knocks out Wolverine for the count with a blow to the back of his head?

HAHAHAHA. Do you recall what wolverine said an instant before that? Logan stated that he had never been so hurt in his life. So ya capt can KO a wolverine who never been so damage in his life ya that proves a lot.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
All it took for that finishing blow was Wolvie getting his ass kicked around for a while.

He ahs fought the x-men team and been in a huge plain crash and has never in his entire life been so damage in his life as stated in the comic.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ultimate Cap can kick Wolvie's ass around with change to spare and then deliver the same badass line, "Heal this" with more attitude than 616 Cap.

Wait so your trying to tell me capt can generate the same power as one of the fasts planes in the world flying full force through a wood and crashing? Your also trying to tell me he can generate enough force of the x-men? So now capt can take the entire x-men team lol? Are you serous lol

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's why I leave the writing to people like Millar...

Next time you should read the text instead of just look at the pictures

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Never more messed up in his life? You're the one reading into the text too much my friend. Pass it off as literary hyperbole. What happened to him from beginning to end? Gets blasted by Rachel out of the danger room. Probably gets hurt in the fiery plane crash. Gets cold because Storm makes it cold. Gets blasted once by Cyclops. Then gets his face put into the mud by Cap.

Maybe Shadowcat got a whack in with a piece of wood if I remember right? Now you tell me. Has Wolvie been more hurt in his life than the sum total of what was just reiterated? Man's been through worse than that. If that's all it takes to mess him up that bad, Wolvie's weaker than you give him credit for. And if that kind of damage is all that Ult. Cap needs to inflict, he'd have an easier time than I'm already thinking.

So you have two choices. Admit that Wolvie's peak pain and damage threshold really occurred in Enemy of the State, or that it really doesn't take all that much to mess Wolvie up and set him up for a knockout moneyshot blow. Either way, you've played into the same argument I'm setting you up for. Ultimate Cap can inflict that damage or it doesn't really take that much to set Wolvie up for a knockout money shot blow.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by capt it up
HAHAHAHA. Do you recall what wolverine said an instant before that? Logan stated that he had never been so hurt in his life. So ya capt can KO a wolverine who never been so damage in his life ya that proves a lot.
He ahs fought the x-men team and been in a huge plain crash and has never in his entire life been so damage in his life as stated in the comic.

So that's all it takes to put Wolverine down? A plane crash?

There are dozens of characters who can produce more force (either physical or otherwise) than a plane crash. They win.

But I digress. Ult. Cap takes him out.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So that's all it takes to put Wolverine down? A plane crash?
There are dozens of characters who can produce more force (either physical or otherwise) than a plane crash. They win.
But I digress. Ult. Cap takes him out.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Never more messed up in his life? You're the one reading into the text too much my friend.

No your not reading enough into the text. He stated he never been so messed up which in honesty was a little over board, but he could barley stand and he was hurt extremely bad. There also no prove he had any rest from the 4th issue on. Logan had been running on no sleep he had been doing mission after mission. He was not at 100 percent to begin with.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What happened to him from beginning to end? Gets blasted by Rachel out of the danger room.

You forgetting the reachal happens to have the phoenix force and is one of the strongest telepaths and telekinesis. She has enough power to beat almost any one. She Blasted him with enough force to blast open the danger room doors. Do you know how strong the doors are? Coloussus has failed to put a dent in them and she blasted wolverine through them. That more then enough force to Ko most people even heavy hitters.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Probably gets hurt in the fiery plane crash.

Probably? He freaking flew one of the fastes ships on earth through the mansion and haft way through a freaking forest going full speed. That would kill Most hero encludign ult capt and 616 capt. That is enough force to KO even bullet proof people.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gets cold because Storm makes it cold.

This would not cause damage, but could effectively hurt Logans healing process and slow it greatly.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gets blasted once by Cyclops.

Ya he got blasted by Cyclopes full force that would easily kill capt. This happen to Logan after he has taken damage that would Kill most heros. He had taken extremes amount of damage that capt would never live through.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then gets his face put into the mud by Cap.

He got slammed in the back of the head by capt shield after he stated he has never been so damage in his life. He was also so injured he had trouble even standing and was haft dead. You honestly trying to say that Capt KO a perfectly healthy logan? Capt can no generate one of the forces that had hit wolverine that day.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Now you tell me. Has Wolvie been more hurt in his life than the sum total of what was just reiterated?

Yes his injury have Looked worse then that before but that could simply be the artist fault. Logan in my opinion has been hurt more then that, but that was clearly up there.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If that's all it takes to mess him up that bad,

All it takes? Look above buddy what he took was quite the beating. Having a class first class and possably strongest telekinesis hit you through doors that colossus could not dent is nothing? Have one of the fast planes smash through a mansion and then through a forest at full speed is nothing? Then to have Cyclopes hit Him Full forces with an optic blast and not to mention it likely gambit had thrown his cards into the blast as well.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolvie's weaker than you give him credit for. ,

No I don’t think so.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And if that kind of damage is all that Ult. Cap needs to inflict, he'd have an easier time than I'm already thinking.

Capt could never generate one of those forces let a lone all of the combine loll.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So you have two choices. Admit that Wolvie's peak pain and damage threshold really occurred in Enemy of the State,

Go read civil war wolverine.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
or that it really doesn't take all that much to mess Wolvie up and set him up for a knockout moneyshot blow.

You have underestimated what happen and you frankly have proven nothing. You should try and not judge was comic issue has the norm. Also you really made a bad mistaken think capt could generate any were near that kind of force that occurred during that issue

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Either way, you've played into the same argument I'm setting you up for.

Wait you were setting me up to prove that capt can not generate any were near the force that happen to Logan in that issue?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ultimate Cap can inflict that damage or it doesn't really take that much to set Wolvie up for a knockout money shot blow.

You love to under estimate.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by capt it up
No your not reading enough into the text. He stated he never been so messed up which in honesty was a little over board, but he could barley stand and he was hurt extremely bad. There also no prove he had any rest from the 4th issue on. Logan had been running on no sleep he had been doing mission after mission. He was not at 100 percent to begin with.
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You forgetting the reachal happens to have the phoenix force and is one of the strongest telepaths and telekinesis. She has enough power to beat almost any one. She Blasted him with enough force to blast open the danger room doors. Do you know how strong the doors are? Coloussus has failed to put a dent in them and she blasted wolverine through them. That more then enough force to Ko most people even heavy hitters.
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Probably? He freaking flew one of the fastes ships on earth through the mansion and haft way through a freaking forest going full speed. That would kill Most hero encludign ult capt and 616 capt. That is enough force to KO even bullet proof people.
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This would not cause damage, but could effectively hurt Logans healing process and slow it greatly.
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Ya he got blasted by Cyclopes full force that would easily kill capt. This happen to Logan after he has taken damage that would Kill most heros. He had taken extremes amount of damage that capt would never live through.
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He got slammed in the back of the head by capt shield after he stated he has never been so damage in his life. He was also so injured he had trouble even standing and was haft dead. You honestly trying to say that Capt KO a perfectly healthy logan? Capt can no generate one of the forces that had hit wolverine that day.
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Yes his injury have Looked worse then that before but that could simply be the artist fault. Logan in my opinion has been hurt more then that, but that was clearly up there.
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All it takes? Look above buddy what he took was quite the beating. Having a class first class and possably strongest telekinesis hit you through doors that colossus could not dent is nothing? Have one of the fast planes smash through a mansion and then through a forest at full speed is nothing? Then to have Cyclopes hit Him Full forces with an optic blast and not to mention it likely gambit had thrown his cards into the blast as well.
No I don’t think so.
Capt could never generate one of those forces let a lone all of the combine loll.
Go read civil war wolverine.
You have underestimated what happen and you frankly have proven nothing. You should try and not judge was comic issue has the norm. Also you really made a bad mistaken think capt could generate any were near that kind of force that occurred during that issue
Wait you were setting me up to prove that capt can not generate any were near the force that happen to Logan in that issue?
You love to under estimate.

^This version of Wolverine you're describing...it contradicts every other portrayal you've made of him. 😐

What happened to Wolverine's nigh-limitless stamina? Or, as you've described it before, his ability to heal even the most extensive injuries extremely fast? I mean, the way you've described him before, Wolvie should've been pretty much fully or close to fully healed by the time Cap got to him.

Just remember this next time you say Wolverine will heal almost instantly from somthing.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
^This version of Wolverine you're describing...it contradicts every other portrayal you've made of him. 😐
What happened to Wolverine's nigh-limitless stamina? Or, as you've described it before, his ability to heal even the most extensive injuries extremely fast? I mean, the way you've described him before, Wolvie should've been pretty much fully or close to fully healed by the time Cap got to him.
Just remember this next time you say Wolverine will heal almost instantly from somthing.

ya ya ya ya what ever. thats incredable amount of damage to take in 4 minuts. wolverine him self stated he never been so hurt he was staggering. capt Koing him from behind is no feat at all

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by capt it up
ya ya ya ya what ever. thats incredable amount of damage to take in 4 minuts. wolverine him self stated he never been so hurt he was staggering. capt Koing him from behind is no feat at all

Hey, that's fine by me. I'll remember it for later debates, however.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hey, that's fine by me. I'll remember it for later debates, however.

good for you . not like it will help since it stated in the comic and showed he was very damaged

wolvertooth Restricted

wolverine wins cap every single time because you just choose to ignore one thing, cap cant do anything to put logan down because logan can heal out of anything cap throws at him but cap on the other hand will die in the fight, as we saw in origins they were fighting but in the next issue wolverine was 100% fine and healed but cap couldnt even stand he felt down so you see now? it doesnt matter what cap can do because wolverine will heal and keep going while cap is going to be weakend from every hit he gets , and if its a cut then he is going to be weakend even more, so in the end its wolverine claws up his neck

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm going to have to disagree there.

Fair enough 😐

Even though, even if Wolverine COULD knock Ben over, which he cant, there is no proof to say that he can cut Ben

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Originally posted by capt it up

Go read civil war wolverine.

You mean the book where Wolverine is healing from a skeleton?

Or where is somehow taking punches from Namor with being fazed or anything.

Or beating Namor underwater?!?! 🤨

Yeah thanks but no thanks

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by Grimm22
Fair enough 😐
Even though, even if Wolverine COULD knock Ben over, which he cant, there is no proof to say that he can cut Ben

No proof to say that he can cut Ben? Except, you know, doing it ON PANEL more than once?

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Originally posted by Soljer
No proof to say that he can cut Ben? Except, you know, doing it ON PANEL more than once?

ULTIMATE MARVEL my friend 😐

Ultimate Marvel, not 616

Daredevil1 Senior Member

naw i just looked at the actual graphic novel, and now to come to think of it, i cant remember if it was vol 1 or 2. i know for certain it wasnt 5 tho

Nope vol 1 #5.

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Oh and Wolverine 7-9/10

wolvertooth Restricted

Originally posted by Grimm22

Or beating Namor underwater?!?! 🤨
Yeah thanks but no thanks

so let me understand it..... when you were defending thing you said that the thing could punch namor underwater and you actually presented it as a solid prove, but wolverine cant hurt hurt him? so basically you say that the thing is faster then wolverine

hypocrite

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Or beating Namor underwater?!?

All he did was hit Namor once underwater with the aid of Ironman's newest armor. He did not defeat Namor.