Also anyone remember the time U.Cap defeated Logan with a gun. Or in the rematch were he against defeats ultim Logan with a gernade.
USAgent who is stronger then U.Cap tries the same strategy on 616-Logan. Lets see how it goes shall we. Exept not in different fights but in the same one and a big explosion at that.
Now of course this just proves Logan is much better then his ultimate version.
But this just shows Logan can take punishment and keep on coming. Whats the point you ask since U.Cap can also takes explosions and keep coming?
Thats the point U.Cap will only be doing that to Logan....punches....kicks.......shield-strikes....which are effective of course, won't bring Logan down thanks to his skeleton and healing factor.
On the other hand will Logans kicks and punches bring U.Cap down, nope same for him. But U.Cap's mistakes in the fight will cost him much....Much more considering this isn't what Logan will do. He's not going to slug it out with him, but use his long claws and lop arms off and head and other gruesome things. Where his claws can easily go through.
Things that Logan can instanly heal from are going to handicapp or cripple U.Cap badly.
Don't get me wrong U.Cap gives a good fight but Logan for majority.
Just for the hell of it here is Ult. Cap taking Ultimate Wolverine out with a grenade, they dont really pertain to this debate, but (I really like these pannels) 😉
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Also anyone remember the time U.Cap defeated Logan with a gun. Or in the rematch were he against defeats ultim Logan with a gernade.
USAgent who is stronger then U.Cap tries the same strategy on 616-Logan. Lets see how it goes shall we. Exept not in different fights but in the same one and a big explosion at that.
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Now of course this just proves Logan is much better then his ultimate version.
But this just shows Logan can take punishment and keep on coming. Whats the point you ask since U.Cap can also takes explosions and keep coming?
Thats the point U.Cap will only be doing that to Logan....punches....kicks.......shield-strikes....which are effective of course, won't bring Logan down thanks to his skeleton and healing factor.
On the other hand will Logans kicks and punches bring U.Cap down, nope same for him. But U.Cap's mistakes in the fight will cost him much....Much more considering this isn't what Logan will do. He's not going to slug it out with him, but use his long claws and lop arms off and head and other gruesome things. Where his claws can easily go through to inflict much more massive damage then, simple strikes which Logan would heal from.
Things that Logan can instanly heal from are going to handicapp or cripple U.Cap badly.
Don't get me wrong U.Cap gives a good fight but Logan for majority 7/10.
well, since these are two different universes and adamantium, thus, is different in the Ult universe(not indestructible like someone said, just real durable) and Marvels is indestructible, that just gives it away right there that Wolvie wins. his "indestructible" adamantium claws would slash Caps "extremely durable" adamantium shield, then thats when Logan guts him..Wolvie ftw 7/10 sheesh. why do they have to make things so complicated 🙄 if his shield was just vibranium and completely indestructible like 616 cap, this would be a much better fight.
So in response to what Capt It Up said, he chose that Wolverine in Enemy Of The State was not in the worst shape of his life by the time Cap got to him and nailed him with a moneyshot. But he was clearly beaten at that point.
And I'm asking anybody to believe that this was Cap's victory. Not by any means. What I want you guys to admit, is that you don't have to destroy Wolverine completely to beat him. Wolvie fanboys keep touting his incineration by Nitro and other bouts of healing to show that he is pretty much unbeatable. But healable and unbeatable are two different things. You cannot equate the two.
Therefore, Ult. Cap does not need to inflict so much damage to Wolverine to literally destroy him. He just needs to inflict enough damage to set him up for the moneyshot. TK blast? Fiery plane crash? A little cold, a knock on the head with a piece of wood and one Cyke blast followed by a mighty shield strike? Sounds like Ult. Cap could set that up.
So, there are two points you could criticize my analysis. And those really are the only two points I've been using to support my conclusions. 1) Wolverine was beaten by the end of Enemy of the State. 2) Ult. Cap (the brilliant tactician that he is) could set up that kind of damage dealing on his own.
So argue that 1) that Wolverine was NOT beaten under any circumstances in Enemy of the State. OR 2) that Ult. Cap (brilliant tactician though he may be) cannot inflict that kind of damage.
EDIT: BTW, what's up with that 'Zap!' sound effect when Cap lays a hook on Logan? Oh... and for Cap to look down and complain about a nick during battle? Yeah... I agree it could happen, but give me a break. That was the one in a million times Cap would actually let his guard down during battle.
Well, I think it is relevant. I'm not sure anybody has seen how a fighter could down Wolverine barring some kind of PIS. In a throw down, how do you beat Wolverine? Well, I think Millar showed that Wolverine, given enough damage can get smashed in the back of the head and be down for the count for a victory to be assessed.
Thereafter, can Ult. Cap come up with that kind of damage? Sure, I think so. Guy's probably got a machine gun in hand. H2H first, knock Wolvie down and open his guts up with his shield, load his carcass up with 2-3 full rounds. Maybe stuff his mouth with a few hand grenades, then say a badass quip and smash his head into the ground with his shield.
You guys don't think Ult. Cap could do that? I suppose, here, its up to Ult. Cap's speed, agility, strength, fighting ability and tactics that have to be put to the test. The test is, Can Ult. Cap inflict enough damage, fasty enough to set him up for a money shot so that Wolvie's healing factor becomes a non-issue?
I think he could. 9/10
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
But healable and unbeatable are two different things. You cannot equate the two.Therefore, Ult. Cap does not need to inflict so much damage to Wolverine to literally destroy him. He just needs to inflict enough damage to set him up for the moneyshot. TK blast? Fiery plane crash? A little cold, a knock on the head with a piece of wood and one Cyke blast followed by a mighty shield strike? Sounds like Ult. Cap could set that up.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ult. Cap (the brilliant tactician that he is) could set up that kind of damage dealing on his own.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So argue that 1) that Wolverine was NOT beaten under any circumstances in Enemy of the State. OR 2) that Ult. Cap (brilliant tactician though he may be) cannot inflict that kind of damage.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well, I think it is relevant. I'm not sure anybody has seen how a fighter could down Wolverine barring some kind of PIS. In a throw down, how do you beat Wolverine? Well, I think Millar showed that Wolverine, given enough damage can get smashed in the back of the head and be down for the count for a victory to be assessed.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thereafter, can Ult. Cap come up with that kind of damage? Sure, I think so.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Guy's probably got a machine gun in hand.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
H2H first, knock Wolvie down and open his guts up with his shield, load his carcass up with 2-3 full rounds. Maybe stuff his mouth with a few hand grenades, then say a badass quip and smash his head into the ground with his shield.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You guys don't think Ult. Cap could do that?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I suppose, here, its up to Ult. Cap's speed, agility, strength, fighting ability and tactics that have to be put to the test.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The test is, Can Ult. Cap inflict enough damage, fasty enough to set him up for a money shot so that Wolvie's healing factor becomes a non-issue?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think he could. 9/10
That just ridiculous to think
