Originally posted by CadenceV2
If your confused on versions, then know this about Ultimate Marvel characters. They exist in a different Universe and have different lives than 616. Ultimate Cap is rather different than 616 Cap in many ways. Including stats. Also unlike 616 Cap ultimate Cap carries guns and grenades a lot into fights.
I've seen the gun-toting Cap in a few scans, but I had no idea his actual stats were so far from the 616 version. Thanks for the info.
Originally posted by SamZED
Iirc Ult Pete was pushing Cap back and he wasn't really trying. Saying that Ult Cap is class 10 is a bit generous IMO.Also since when does Ult Logan have a better HF than 616 Logan?
I do not have Ultimate Character feats uploaded to photoimage sites, but I have them in respect threads on the Comicvine.
In the Spidey scan Spidrr Man never pushed Cap back at all, and both were drawn shaking. Will post scan if needed.
Also Ultimate Logan has a few better healing feats in the fact he can live as just a head separated from his body, 616 can die that way and need air to breath or wi suffocate to death. Also Ultimate Logan has fought on as a Skelton with major organs blown out. 616 Logan gets dropped a lot from heart stabs and organ damage. The only way to kill him was molecular disentigrating by Magneto. So he has better healing feats in a way.
Originally posted by CadenceV2Ult Logan has low end healing feats too, It's not consistent to 616 to be dropped from heart stabs, he's been nuked, reduced to skeleton and regenerated in moments. Something I don't think Ult Logan can walk away from so quickly. 616's head has never been cut off to my knowledge but it's not far fetched to assume he will survive that, seeing how Deadpool has on several occasions. Actually now that I think of it there was an on-panel statement that Logan has healed from decapitation.
I do not have Ultimate Character feats uploaded to photoimage sites, but I have them in respect threads on the Comicvine.In the Spidey scan Spidrr Man never pushed Cap back at all, and both were drawn shaking. Will post scan if needed.
Also Ultimate Logan has a few better healing feats in the fact he can live as just a head separated from his body, 616 can die that way and need air to breath or wi suffocate to death. Also Ultimate Logan has fought on as a Skelton with major organs blown out. 616 Logan gets dropped a lot from heart stabs and organ damage. The only way to kill him was molecular disentigrating by Magneto. So he has better healing feats in a way.
The scan would be appreciated, I remember that Cap's feet were shown sliding back.
Originally posted by SamZED
Ult Logan has low end healing feats too, It's not consistent to 616 to be dropped from heart stabs, he's been nuked, reduced to skeleton and regenerated in moments. Something I don't think Ult Logan can walk away from so quickly. 616's head has never been cut off to my knowledge but it's not far fetched to assume he will survive that, seeing how Deadpool has on several occasions. Actually now that I think of it there was an on-panel statement that Logan has healed from decapitation.The scan would be appreciated, I remember that Cap's feet were shown sliding back.
When it comes to ultimate vs. 616 Logan feats, it comes down to which feats are consistent and which contradict. A whole another debate🙂
I will try to get scans up when I get home.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
I do not have Ultimate Character feats uploaded to photoimage sites, but I have them in respect threads on the Comicvine.In the Spidey scan Spidrr Man never pushed Cap back at all, and both were drawn shaking. Will post scan if needed.
Also Ultimate Logan has a few better healing feats in the fact he can live as just a head separated from his body, 616 can die that way and need air to breath or wi suffocate to death. Also Ultimate Logan has fought on as a Skelton with major organs blown out. 616 Logan gets dropped a lot from heart stabs and organ damage. The only way to kill him was molecular disentigrating by Magneto. So he has better healing feats in a way.
If ultimate wolverine has a better healing factor than 616, than ultimate cap taking ultimate wolverine down is PIS, since ultimate wolverine was taken down with a few bullets the first time, and a grenade the second time.
Originally posted by SamZED
Ult Logan has low end healing feats too, It's not consistent to 616 to be dropped from heart stabs, he's been nuked, reduced to skeleton and regenerated in moments. Something I don't think Ult Logan can walk away from so quickly. 616's head has never been cut off to my knowledge but it's not far fetched to assume he will survive that, seeing how Deadpool has on several occasions. Actually now that I think of it there was an on-panel statement that Logan has healed from decapitation.The scan would be appreciated, I remember that Cap's feet were shown sliding back.
We never seen hôw Cap beaten wolverine the first time. Other than shooting Wolverine, the rest of the fight was off panel. We never seen Wolverine drop. The second battle had Cap using a well place grenade to the face, then hold Wolvie down with his superior strength. Nothing PIS about either of them.
Also Ultimate Wolverine has unbreakable adamantium, but his joints are not laced like 616 wolverine. So he can be pulled apart at the joints.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
We never seen hôw Cap beaten wolverine the first time. Other than shooting Wolverine, the rest of the fight was off panel. We never seen Wolverine drop. The second battle had Cap using a well place grenade to the face, then hold Wolvie down with his superior strength. Nothing PIS about either of them.Also Ultimate Wolverine has unbreakable adamantium, but his joints are not laced like 616 wolverine. So he can be pulled apart at the joints.
Originally posted by Jashro44
Fair enough I guess. Still wasn't ultimate cap also unlocking memories in ultimate wolverines head to give him a "tactical advantage" or something?
Yes, yes he was 🙂. That could been a big help for distraction. Same applies for the second battle as Wolvie was also distracted.
Originally posted by Jashro44
Eh, than I wouldn't compare his fight between ultimate wolverine and 616. He can't really do the same thing to 616.
True, but as always he can use his gear of tear gas, flash bangs, and frags to gain advantages, and as always has the superior stats in strength and durability over 616 Cap. Anyway you of all people know how I feel about Ultimate vs 616 anyway 😉
Originally posted by CadenceV2
True, but as always he can use his gear of tear gas, flash bangs, and frags to gain advantages, and as always has the superior stats in strength and durability over 616 Cap. Anyway you of all people know how I feel about Ultimate vs 616 anyway 😉
And true 😆
Originally posted by Jashro44
I don't see how durability will help much since wolverine is using blades. His durability doesn't cover stabbing damage and even if it did wolverines claws are just plot device consistently with the way they cut hulk, thor, gladiator, etc. As for using tear gas, IIRC wolverine has breathed that in before due to his healing factor. Flash bangs shouldn't be to effective either as wolverine can fight blind, and rely on his sense of smell.And true 😆
I am not sure how healing factor negates Tear Gas, unless he has showings against it. Tear Gas is a chemical reaction and not really a posion or physical damaging substance. It effects your nose and eyes sensations.
The claws would harm Cap for sure, its just he can heal those damages enough to keep from Bleeding out or to keep his organs working as per his Minor Healing Factor.
Flash Bangs are not long term, but rather short term distractions which is what they are best used for.
You know it 🙂 Haters going to Hate lol.
Originally posted by SamZEDThe scan would be appreciated, I remember that Cap's feet were shown sliding back.
Here ya go.
As seen no one is sliding back, and both are shaking with effort.
Here Cap catches a falling tree in the easy 5 ton + range by size and width. Cap catches it with its momentum of falling and all.
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Here he lifts a large piece of earth with a car on it.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/2986653-cap+vs+avengers+%233+%2814%29.jpg
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Here he rips off Warmachines Arm while putting the Iron man suit out of sommision with just his fists and shield.
Here he holds back a blow from Zarda, Hyperion level being. His Shield is not Vibranium at all so it does not absorb impacts like 616. All Cap there.
Here he does it again with thor full out blast.
I have more but these should give ya a idea he is meta human in strength. Near 616 Spider Man league.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
We never got a statement of his strength level. What we do have is feats of tanking 100 toner hits consistently with little to no damage for durability. We also have feats that show consistently in the 5 ton range. He also has many consistent feats of seriously harming 100 toners with strikes too. He raw strength wise matches Ultimate Spider Man in lock up. Also his bio shows his strength as a 4 in power rating. Meaning he is in the same power rating range of 616 Spider Man or 616 Green Goblin. He was meant to be pretty tough like WW2 era Cap.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
I do not have Ultimate Character feats uploaded to photoimage sites, but I have them in respect threads on the Comicvine.In the Spidey scan Spidrr Man never pushed Cap back at all, and both were drawn shaking. Will post scan if needed.
Also Ultimate Logan has a few better healing feats in the fact he can live as just a head separated from his body, 616 can die that way and need air to breath or wi suffocate to death. Also Ultimate Logan has fought on as a Skelton with major organs blown out. 616 Logan gets dropped a lot from heart stabs and organ damage. The only way to kill him was molecular disentigrating by Magneto. So he has better healing feats in a way.
616 Loogan ahs tanked and fought with those as well. And I think 616 Logan is stronger than Ult Logan. Just asking, how is the recovery from Ultimatum going on? Jeph Loeb in mood swing = horrible stories
