Originally posted by Creshosk
Well as was said if Doomsday killing Superman was the last thing you were privy to you've been out of the loop for 12 years.1993 -> 2005>
So we have no standard basis for comparison. Of course we saw a Buu being knocked out. . . so. . .
We also showed what happened. Not just saying what happened.
As I said, different words, same concept.
And once again this sound s like an excuse.
132,000,000 times the speed of light Wally? Not even close.
You're kidding right? did you see his nuke evac trick?
No, what's been shown in the books is insufficent, as what Superman has shown to do is greater than what is shown in the manga.
Can you prove his durability is up to the standard of Micro black hole containing strength?
Strawman. We're not asking for the entire manga. Just the feats that reasonably support Buu > Superman.
So there is no evidence to reasonably support Buu>Superman?
Shall I refer you to your fist post towards me in this thread? Where you laughed at me for supportring Superman beating Buu because we do have sufficeint evidence to reasonably support this theory?
Yeah I thought as much.
I will say it again, not Superman's Death was the last thing I read in his own storylines was him turning back fro Energy Superman.......
Oh really, I'd like to see where you saw Kid Buu being knocked out....
You read the same books as I did...did you not? We can agree that the things I say happened in that books actually happened...do you really need Scans? Because you know I can't provide them and only because I can't provide them does not ean that I am wrong.
Nope, just wrong..I never said Goku was God in no wording, that's just a lie....
Yeah, well I stopped caring what you think is an excuse, so...whatever....
What the hell...Wally is not 132.000.000 times the speed of light..where did you get that one from....
I am not kidding, it's true...you can it is one of the earlier JLA episodes after the Darkseid Future world....
Not necessarily, the question is how powerful a Genkidama is....is the Genkidama more powerful than a Black Hole...or ore...I'd say yes...you say no, that'S the problem....
There is non evidence for either because we do not know what Buu is capable of....my first post was probably a mistake I was going by the reasonable Superman I know, and my belief that Buu is way overpowered....I see now it is not as clear, there is reason for both claims....oh by the way, this now actuallyy is an excuse towards you..no need to point it out....
Originally posted by Creshosk
You think the genki dama is more impressive than the Dragons granting wishes?LMFAO. . .
Ironic considering your first post. Oh no, it would be ironic if it weren't expected.
Care to prove this statement?
Then would you like to prove that statement that they could?
Do you even know how evidence in debates works?
And that's going to do what to superman?
The scans were posted in the Superman vs Goku thread. Feel free to look at the evidence.
Go look at the evidence.
No, I call making excuses, making excuses. Facts are claims supported by evidence. Something that you have not shown.
So where is the evidence?
and then seem to either be incapable or unwilling to provide the evidence.
Hearsay, hyperbole and fanboyism is not admissible as evidence.
Facts are claims supported by evidence. something that you seem either unwilling or unable to show.
Not more impressive...but more powerful against enemies....
You repeatedly attacked me for my views....I just said that I could not belive it......I apologize for that.
I did not asky ou to prove a Negativ yet did I? Is there evidence that he can? Can his Heat Vision do that for example?
You ask for proof in a comic book...you can proof everything for Superman (either way) and it'S hard to proof something for Dragonball (also both sides)
I will not keep answering all your wishes for evidence, which isn't possible....I cannot proof that the Genkidama is more powerful than a Black Hole but no one knows the opposite either....
I came to the conclusion that it'S not possible to compare DC to DB ... but you could actually saya you won, since I am not sure if Buu would win anymore, I have seen evidence from you that makes Superman just as overpowered as DBZ and maybe even more so I won't argue that point anymore.....take that as a "win" if you like.
Originally posted by dvampire
Goku need outside help to defeat Kid Buu though. And ssj3 Goku actually whould have won the fight if his Kamehameha Wave whould have lasted a little longer (Goku's Kamehameha wave ended, leaving a small cell left of Buu). Superman again can just melt Buu easy with Heat Vision to end the fight, Superman can beat the crap out Buu then finish him off with Heat Vision or use Ice Breath to freeze Buu then use Heat Vision. If there's a cell left, Superman has X-ray Vision to finish up what he started. 🙂
There is no evidence at all that a little freezing could do anything to Boo....none
As for Hurting Buu now that'S also just assuming since no one ever really beat Kid Buu.....and how much stronger is Superman exactly than Goku...is he even?
Originally posted by Bardock42I didn't say Kid buu, I said A buu. 🙂
I will say it again, not Superman's Death was the last thing I read in his own storylines was him turning back fro Energy Superman.......Oh really, I'd like to see where you saw Kid Buu being knocked out....
Originally posted by Bardock42No, I'm going to have to require them from you for an objective debate. Also this is another excuse.
You read the same books as I did...did you not? We can agree that the things I say happened in that books actually happened...do you really need Scans? Because you know I can't provide them and only because I can't provide them does not ean that I am wrong.
Originally posted by Bardock42you're right you never saying it even with different wording is a lie.
Nope, just wrong..I never said Goku was God in no wording, that's just a lie....
Originally posted by Bardock42Doesn't matter, You're trying to debate without evidence.
Yeah, well I stopped caring what you think is an excuse, so...whatever....
Originally posted by Bardock42He sure is, go look at his nuke evac trick.
What the hell...Wally is not 132.000.000 times the speed of light..where did you get that one from....
Originally posted by Bardock42Episodes of DC cartoons are not canon to the DC comics.
I am not kidding, it's true...you can it is one of the earlier JLA episodes after the Darkseid Future world....
Originally posted by Bardock42Now you have to prove that it's more powerful than a black hole. Evidence please.
Not necessarily, the question is how powerful a Genkidama is....is the Genkidama more powerful than a Black Hole...or ore...I'd say yes...you say no, that'S the problem....
Originally posted by Bardock42No not an excuse.
There is non evidence for either because we do not know what Buu is capable of....my first post was probably a mistake I was going by the reasonable Superman I know, and my belief that Buu is way overpowered....I see now it is not as clear, there is reason for both claims....oh by the way, this now actuallyy is an excuse towards you..no need to point it out....
Originally posted by Bardock42Are you sure of that?
Not more impressive...but more powerful against enemies....
Originally posted by Bardock42Do what?
I did not asky ou to prove a Negativ yet did I? Is there evidence that he can? Can his Heat Vision do that for example?
Originally posted by Bardock42And it's up to the DBZ side to prove that they are up to the Superman side, since the Superman side has shown proof of their claims.
You ask for proof in a comic book...you can proof everything for Superman (either way) and it'S hard to proof something for Dragonball (also both sides)
Originally posted by Bardock42Burden of proof requires you to prove it.
I will not keep answering all your wishes for evidence, which isn't possible....I cannot proof that the Genkidama is more powerful than a Black Hole but no one knows the opposite either....
Originally posted by Bardock42Very well.
I came to the conclusion that it'S not possible to compare DC to DB ... but you could actually saya you won, since I am not sure if Buu would win anymore, I have seen evidence from you that makes Superman just as overpowered as DBZ and maybe even more so I won't argue that point anymore.....take that as a "win" if you like.
Originally posted by Bardock42is there evidence that a Kamehameha is even as powerful as the sun?
There is no evidence that Superman's Heat Vision is asd strong as a Kame Hame Ha of SSJ3 Gok,u
We have a bar set for the power of heat vision. Now its the DBZ side's turn to prove that the kamehameha is as powerful.
Originally posted by Bardock42Can you prove that Buu is strong against freezing attacks?
There is no evidence at all that a little freezing could do anything to Boo....none
Originally posted by Bardock42Superman contained a blackhole, is Goku as strong as that?
As for Hurting Buu now that'S also just assuming since no one ever really beat Kid Buu.....and how much stronger is Superman exactly than Goku...is he even?
Originally posted by Bardock42
There is no evidence that Superman's Heat Vision is asd strong as a Kame Hame Ha of SSJ3 Gok,uThere is no evidence at all that a little freezing could do anything to Boo....none
As for Hurting Buu now that'S also just assuming since no one ever really beat Kid Buu.....and how much stronger is Superman exactly than Goku...is he even?
Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars. 😕 Buu was still able to be hurt by physical attacks from Goku, Fat Buu, Vegeta, and Vegetto.
SSJ2 Goku struggles to push a moutain apart, who hits were able to hurt Buu. This goes for ssj3 Goku too since he's not that far from ssj2 since he still had trouble with Buu.
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video08.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video06.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video07.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video10.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video11.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video12.mov
Superman push planets, lift small moons with little effort, holds black holes in the palm of his hand, and can destroy planets with physical force. He's far stronger than any DBZ/GT character. Go check the Superman vs. Goku thread to see his feats. 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42
I will say it again, not Superman's Death was the last thing I read in his own storylines was him turning back fro Energy Superman.......Oh really, I'd like to see where you saw Kid Buu being knocked out....
You read the same books as I did...did you not? We can agree that the things I say happened in that books actually happened...do you really need Scans? Because you know I can't provide them and only because I can't provide them does not ean that I am wrong.
Nope, just wrong..I never said Goku was God in no wording, that's just a lie....
Yeah, well I stopped caring what you think is an excuse, so...whatever....
What the hell...Wally is not 132.000.000 times the speed of light..where did you get that one from....
I am not kidding, it's true...you can it is one of the earlier JLA episodes after the Darkseid Future world....
Not necessarily, the question is how powerful a Genkidama is....is the Genkidama more powerful than a Black Hole...or ore...I'd say yes...you say no, that'S the problem....
There is non evidence for either because we do not know what Buu is capable of....my first post was probably a mistake I was going by the reasonable Superman I know, and my belief that Buu is way overpowered....I see now it is not as clear, there is reason for both claims....oh by the way, this now actuallyy is an excuse towards you..no need to point it out....
Not more impressive...but more powerful against enemies....
You repeatedly attacked me for my views....I just said that I could not belive it......I apologize for that.
I did not asky ou to prove a Negativ yet did I? Is there evidence that he can? Can his Heat Vision do that for example?
You ask for proof in a comic book...you can proof everything for Superman (either way) and it'S hard to proof something for Dragonball (also both sides)
I will not keep answering all your wishes for evidence, which isn't possible....I cannot proof that the Genkidama is more powerful than a Black Hole but no one knows the opposite either....
I came to the conclusion that it'S not possible to compare DC to DB ... but you could actually saya you won, since I am not sure if Buu would win anymore, I have seen evidence from you that makes Superman just as overpowered as DBZ and maybe even more so I won't argue that point anymore.....take that as a "win" if you like.
I'm not going to waste alot of time reading this as Cresh is taking care of that, but I will like to point out that Flash is far faster than light.
Look at these scans.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's not saying much since Superman's feats are more impressive than Goku or Vegeta's. Especially concidering Superman's Speed.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's not saying much since Superman's feats are more impressive than Goku or Vegeta's. Especially concidering Superman's Speed.
Originally posted by TwisterGameXNot when its trash talk. 🙂
1. You said we can't peoples word for it when they say it in the pics, so bleh.
Who's the narrator trash talking to? 🙂
Flash evacated the entire city from a nuke AFTER the flash of the Nuke was seen.
Now they made a mistake when they said it was a hairs breath short of the speed of light. Since the actual calculation of running to and from the city, searching for and finding the people, and makeing all the needed trips to carry them out actually figured to an estimated 132,000,000 times the speed of light. 🙂
Originally posted by CreshoskI know, whole different thing right?
I didn't say Kid buu, I said A buu. 🙂No, I'm going to have to require them from you for an objective debate. Also this is another excuse.
you're right you never saying it even with different wording is a lie.
Doesn't matter, You're trying to debate without evidence.
He sure is, go look at his nuke evac trick.
Episodes of DC cartoons are not canon to the DC comics.
Now you have to prove that it's more powerful than a black hole. Evidence please.
No not an excuse.
Are you sure of that?
Do what?
And it's up to the DBZ side to prove that they are up to the Superman side, since the Superman side has shown proof of their claims.
Burden of proof requires you to prove it.
Very well.
What the hell, should I buy a Scanner or a a Camera just to debate with you? SYou said you read it, now did you or did you not?
You call me a fanboy, you say I claim Goku is a God it's just not true, jsut because I believe Kid Buu to be able to defeat Superman does not ake me a fanboy, you disregarding evidence that Superman wasn't able to surpass the Speed of light is fanboyism though. And I never said Goku can't be beat or anything, I never even claimed he is god in hios own universe....
Not true...
The Question was where you got that on e from, could you explain it? And since you obviously are able to provide Scans you could do that too.
Not an Episode of the Cartoon (I don't even know that cartoon) it's fro the Official Series of the JLA, the one they were enslaved on Rann....then there is the Flash Comic where he went back in time and had to give the Heroes some of his speed during te crisis but you will dismiss that as too lojng ago....
How do you know it's not? That'S what I am saying, it'S not argueable.....
Nope, was an excuse, only real excuse actually....
Yes I am, it's stated that the Dragon Balls cannot defeat Frieza but the Genkidama can...hm must mean it'S more dangerous to him....
Destroy the Earth?
As have I shown proof that their Side can as well be wrong, because it is contradicting.
Nope it does not....just because I can't proof it doesn't mean it isn't, you can't say how strong it is, I can't say how strong it is...it might be way stronger than anything the DC universe has, it might only be as strong as Supermans heat vision, it is not argueable.....
Originally posted by Creshosk
is there evidence that a Kamehameha is even as powerful as the sun?We have a bar set for the power of heat vision. Now its the DBZ side's turn to prove that the kamehameha is as powerful.
Can you prove that Buu is strong against freezing attacks?
Superman contained a blackhole, is Goku as strong as that?
Akira Toriyama did not state how strong it is....does that mean it's weaker than Heat Vision?...no it doesn't
Well he was never frozen so, can you proof he is hurt by freezing atacks?
Possible, I don't know, you don't know either...he never came around a Black Hole...
Originally posted by dvampire
Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars. 😕 Buu was still able to be hurt by physical attacks from Goku, Fat Buu, Vegeta, and Vegetto.SSJ2 Goku struggles to push a moutain apart, who hits were able to hurt Buu. This goes for ssj3 Goku too since he's not that far from ssj2 since he still had trouble with Buu.
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video08.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video06.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video07.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video10.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video11.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video12.mov
Superman push planets, lift small moons with little effort, holds black holes in the palm of his hand, and can destroy planets with physical force. He's far stronger than any DBZ/GT character. Go check the Superman vs. Goku thread to see his feats. 🙂
He cousd be hit, if he was actually hurt or just playing around no one knows...although there is a lot of evidence that m´he might just have played....
Sorry cannot see the movies, vould you just say where it happened in the manga (canon) so I can look it up?
Originally posted by dvampire
I'm not going to waste alot of time reading this as Cresh is taking care of that, but I will like to point out that Flash is far faster than light.Look at these scans.
these images proof my point, it says twice "Close to Light Speed" not millions odf times more.....
Originally posted by Creshosk
er then the speed of light? 🙂Can you prove that Saiyans are as fast as Superman? 😉
Originally posted by Creshosk
Not when its trash talk. 🙂Who's the narrator trash talking to? 🙂
Flash evacated the entire city from a nuke AFTER the flash of the Nuke was seen.
Now they made a mistake when they said it was a hairs breath short of the speed of light. Since the actual calculation of running to and from the city, searching for and finding the people, and makeing all the needed trips to carry them out actually figured to an estimated 132,000,000 times the speed of light. 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42You're kidding right? We presented evidence that shows he is faster than the speed of light. YOU are disregarding evidence. Not I. So it is you who are the fanboy, not I.
you disregarding evidence that Superman wasn't able to surpass the Speed of light is fanboyism though.
Originally posted by Bardock42Different words, same sentiment.
And I never said Goku can't be beat or anything, I never even claimed he is god in hios own universe....[/]b
Originally posted by Bardock42Prove it.
[B]Not true...
Originally posted by Bardock42Got what one from? The nuke evac trick?
The Question was where you got that on e from, could you explain it? And since you obviously are able to provide Scans you could do that too.
Do the math, they figured wrong like they normally do when it comes to presenting the actual numbers.
Originally posted by Bardock42Can you provide the scan that you're talking about?
Not an Episode of the Cartoon (I don't even know that cartoon) it's fro the Official Series of the JLA, the one they were enslaved on Rann....then there is the Flash Comic where he went back in time and had to give the Heroes some of his speed during te crisis but you will dismiss that as too lojng ago....[]/b]
Originally posted by Bardock42The natural state to assume is negative. You make a calim to the positive. You must then prove this claim.
[B]How do you know it's not? That'S what I am saying, it'S not argueable.....
Originally posted by Bardock42Hmm. . .
Yes I am, it's stated that the Dragon Balls cannot defeat Frieza but the Genkidama can...hm must mean it'S more dangerous to him....
Originally posted by Bardock42His heat vision? Why would he do that? He has destroyed a planet with his heat vision.
Destroy the Earth?
Originally posted by Bardock42You haven't provided any proof.
As have I shown proof that their Side can as well be wrong, because it is contradicting.
Originally posted by Bardock42Burden of proof requires you to prove your claims.
Nope it does not....just because I can't proof it doesn't mean it isn't,
Originally posted by Bardock42No, but you must prove it.
you can't say how strong it is,
Originally posted by Bardock42Then don't.
I can't say how strong it is.
Originally posted by Bardock42Prove it.
..it might be way stronger than anything the DC universe has,
Originally posted by Bardock42Then don't attempt to use it if you can't prove how damaging it is. Superman survived a double black hole without much thought. Now in order to harm Superman you have to put out more damage than two black holes merged into one.
t might only be as strong as Supermans heat vision, it is not argueable.....
Originally posted by Bardock42Prove that it is as strong as heat vision.
Akira Toriyama did not state how strong it is....does that mean it's weaker than Heat Vision?...no it doesn't
Originally posted by Bardock42I'm not the one claiming that Buu is durable enough to withstand freezing attacks. It is up to your side to prove Buu's durability.
Well he was never frozen so, can you proof he is hurt by freezing atacks?
Originally posted by Bardock42It is up to you to prove it.
Possible, I don't know, you don't know either...he never came around a Black Hole...
Originally posted by Bardock42I hope your'e not dismissing whatever he just provided. . .
He cousd be hit, if he was actually hurt or just playing around no one knows...although there is a lot of evidence that m´he might just have played....Sorry cannot see the movies, vould you just say where it happened in the manga (canon) so I can look it up
Originally posted by Bardock42Do the math. They figured wrong. But he still evacuated the entire city.
these images proof my point, it says twice [B]"Close to Light Speed" not millions odf times more..... [/B]
Do the math to figure out what they did. People screw up on those numbers all the time.
Originally posted by Bardock42You did read the proof links on page 55 of the Superman vs Goku thread correct? Then you'd know your statements are absurd.
they seem to be combat faster, since Superman can be seen by Batman...but Sayans ar einvisible to humans.....
Originally posted by Bardock42And sometimes the writer screws up on calculations when telling a story. Does this mean that the story happened with the calculated numbers they are telling you, or with what happened in the actions depicted by the artist for the writers story?
But surely the drawer made the mistake not the author...since the author is the one actually making the story while the drawer jswut rtries to give an impression which he failed there.....
Originally posted by Creshosk
You're kidding right? We presented evidence that shows he is faster than the speed of light. YOU are disregarding evidence. Not I. So it is you who are the fanboy, not I.Different words, same sentiment.
Prove it.
Got what one from? The nuke evac trick?
Do the math, they figured wrong like they normally do when it comes to presenting the actual numbers.
Can you provide the scan that you're talking about?
The natural state to assume is negative. You make a calim to the positive. You must then prove this claim.
Hmm. . .
His heat vision? Why would he do that? He has destroyed a planet with his heat vision.
You haven't provided any proof.
Burden of proof requires you to prove your claims.
No, but you must prove it.
Then don't.
Prove it.
Then don't attempt to use it if you can't prove how damaging it is. Superman survived a double black hole without much thought. Now in order to harm Superman you have to put out more damage than two black holes merged into one.
Prove that it is as strong as heat vision.
I'm not the one claiming that Buu is durable enough to withstand freezing attacks. It is up to your side to prove Buu's durability.
It is up to you to prove it.
I hope your'e not dismissing whatever he just provided. . .
Do the math. They figured wrong. But he still evacuated the entire city.
Do the math to figure out what they did. People screw up on those numbers all the time.
You did read the proof links on page 55 of the Superman vs Goku thread correct? Then you'd know your statements are absurd.
And sometimes the writer screws up on calculations when telling a story. Does this mean that the story happened with the calculated numbers they are telling you, or with what happened in the actions depicted by the artist for the writers story?
Nope, I took it into account but also told you aboot the recent Batman/Superman Comic where he couldn't only not keep up with Supergirl but also did not get close to Above Speed of Light....
No, as I told you before I am not a DB fanboy, I like certain Characters, and the Comic is all right but I try to see it from an objective Standpoint which you fail to aquire.
Proof that I gave evidence? ...what the hell I just did again..if you disregard it it is a whole different deal.
Nope you are wrong, they drew wrong like they normally and often do. The thing is Flash never before did do that and he never after did that, it was a one time drawing mistake. And he usually struggles gettign above Speed Of Light and when he ddoes it's a big deal , speed force melting and stuff....oh and it kills te people usually when he goes above speed of light.....
Sorry I cannot, and even if I could I only have a German issue..wouldn't be iof much Use, but what I can do is telling you where it is, JLA #20 ...
Not in a comic Book where the only thing provable is the Image created, I cannot give times and actual speeds since DB is not a scientific comic, and had not enough issues to show it exactly, I can tell you enough though that you ight doubt it which is enough, all I want is that people agree it's not proofable either way....
Yeah well, it's not the point either, but just a random fact....
When? Where? How?
I did, look up Batman/Superman....although I guess you are right..I haven't given proof...I just told you where the proof is to be found..
I am not claiming anything I am telling you that there is a possibility which you disregard.....and again just cause I can't proof doesn't mean it'S not a fact...I personally cannot ´proof that there is Air...does that mean there is no air? Burden of proof only applies if I claim something not if I say that there is very well a good possibility that it might be that way...
I don't need to at all actually.....you can't say anything aboot it I can't say anythin g aboot it...I am argueing there is no right or wrong here...I am saying there cannot be a winner so I do not need to proof any stateents....it's not a fact that I claim but a possibility....
And maybe the Genkidama is stronger than two Black Holes...heck maybet the Kame Hame ha is...I don't know...you don't know..not proofable but not dissmissable therefore....
I do not need to do the math for Flash...he only "did" that once if at all....and it's not necessaryly the flash either he might have started before....there are many possibilities....oh and do the math again..how long foes it need for the Smoke to get that high? it's not Speed of light..there are mistakes to that pic that is for sure.....is there any other evidence for whast you claim since that obviously is wrong...
I didn't read all of it to be honest...to boring....I saw some of the pics where Diana Dodged Bullets..but that's not really anything for Sayans at all, Radditz did that and Kid Buu is aboot 50000+ times more powerful.....
Yes sometimes they do...but not like that..every other Flash Comic says he has a hard time getting Speed of light..this one has a faultys pic to it...now seriously..you don't want to argue that Flash is a million times faster than the speed of light? He said multiple times that above speed of light is not really possible on earth either..you can't just disregard everything done before and after....as for Combat Speed of DC CHaracters...Flash getting hit by Dedathstroke...yeah..they are really fast combat fighters.....🙄
Originally posted by Bardock42Go look up the definition of red herring.
Tss...yeah you disregard everything....you actually are the fanboy you claim I am.....
I didn't dismiss any evidence, because it would need to be presented to be dismissed.
You on the other hand are trying despertly to dismiss what has been offered.
You are the fanboy, not I.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nope, I took it into account but also told you aboot the recent Batman/Superman Comic where he couldn't only not keep up with Supergirl but also did not get close to Above Speed of Light....No, as I told you before I am not a DB fanboy, I like certain Characters, and the Comic is all right but I try to see it from an objective Standpoint which you fail to aquire.
Proof that I gave evidence? ...what the hell I just did again..if you disregard it it is a whole different deal.
Nope you are wrong, they drew wrong like they normally and often do. The thing is Flash never before did do that and he never after did that, it was a one time drawing mistake. And he usually struggles gettign above Speed Of Light and when he ddoes it's a big deal , speed force melting and stuff....oh and it kills te people usually when he goes above speed of light.....
Sorry I cannot, and even if I could I only have a German issue..wouldn't be iof much Use, but what I can do is telling you where it is, JLA #20 ...
Not in a comic Book where the only thing provable is the Image created, I cannot give times and actual speeds since DB is not a scientific comic, and had not enough issues to show it exactly, I can tell you enough though that you ight doubt it which is enough, all I want is that people agree it's not proofable either way....
Yeah well, it's not the point either, but just a random fact....
When? Where? How?
I did, look up Batman/Superman....although I guess you are right..I haven't given proof...I just told you where the proof is to be found..
I am not claiming anything I am telling you that there is a possibility which you disregard.....and again just cause I can't proof doesn't mean it'S not a fact...I personally cannot ´proof that there is Air...does that mean there is no air? Burden of proof only applies if I claim something not if I say that there is very well a good possibility that it might be that way...
I don't need to at all actually.....you can't say anything aboot it I can't say anythin g aboot it...I am argueing there is no right or wrong here...I am saying there cannot be a winner so I do not need to proof any stateents....it's not a fact that I claim but a possibility....
And maybe the Genkidama is stronger than two Black Holes...heck maybet the Kame Hame ha is...I don't know...you don't know..not proofable but not dissmissable therefore....
I do not need to do the math for Flash...he only "did" that once if at all....and it's not necessaryly the flash either he might have started before....there are many possibilities....oh and do the math again..how long foes it need for the Smoke to get that high? it's not Speed of light..there are mistakes to that pic that is for sure.....is there any other evidence for whast you claim since that obviously is wrong...
I didn't read all of it to be honest...to boring....I saw some of the pics where Diana Dodged Bullets..but that's not really anything for Sayans at all, Radditz did that and Kid Buu is aboot 50000+ times more powerful.....
Yes sometimes they do...but not like that..every other Flash Comic says he has a hard time getting Speed of light..this one has a faultys pic to it...now seriously..you don't want to argue that Flash is a million times faster than the speed of light? He said multiple times that above speed of light is not really possible on earth either..you can't just disregard everything done before and after....as for Combat Speed of DC CHaracters...Flash getting hit by Dedathstroke...yeah..they are really fast combat fighters.....🙄
Superman is light speed (you should know this), along with flash who is far faster than light. Superman wasn't trying to race Kara either, him and Batman was testing how well she can do on her own. Flash has always been light speed (in order to unlock the speed force you must be fast as light).
Now bring some proof please?
Originally posted by dvampire
Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars. 😕 Buu was still able to be hurt by physical attacks from Goku, Fat Buu, Vegeta, and Vegetto.SSJ2 Goku struggles to push a moutain apart, who hits were able to hurt Buu. This goes for ssj3 Goku too since he's not that far from ssj2 since he still had trouble with Buu.
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video08.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video06.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video07.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video10.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video11.mov
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video12.mov
Superman push planets, lift small moons with little effort, holds black holes in the palm of his hand, and can destroy planets with physical force. He's far stronger than any DBZ/GT character. Go check the Superman vs. Goku thread to see his feats. 🙂
Superman wins.
