October Debate: The Mystery Surrounding Dumbledores Death

thank you lord obvious.... now that we are all up to date on that... the reason i think that the curs sent cidric backwards is jus the vilocity of the curs it hits them and the get propelled back wards... just like if you were hit with a car... the part of you what was hit wold fly backwards am i not right...??? i think that DD is dead... but i also think that snape is good.. snape was forced to kill DD he made the unbreakable vow... and if he dident go through with the vow he would be killed and then the good guys would loss a varry important spi.. and snape was giving harry some varry important hints... im not going to go through with the details... its quite long.

Originally posted by seanjones
thank you lord obvious.... now that we are all up to date on that... the reason i think that the curs sent cidric backwards is jus the vilocity of the curs it hits them and the get propelled back wards... just like if you were hit with a car... the part of you what was hit wold fly backwards am i not right...??? i think that DD is dead... but i also think that snape is good.. snape was forced to kill DD he made the unbreakable vow... and if he dident go through with the vow he would be killed and then the good guys would loss a varry important spi.. and snape was giving harry some varry important hints... im not going to go through with the details... its quite long.

avada kedavra never sends the victim flying in the air as it is stated in the books, the person just falls down dead. i dont think there is a velocity of the curse. it just instantly kills you.

well i think dumbledore will be in the last book a little bit becuase remeber all of the portraits os the headmasters are posted in the office so dumbledore will be in there and you can talk to the portraits. so i think that MAYBE harry will talk to a picture of dumbledore for advice because who else would he get that advice from? i do think dumbledores dead and hes going to stay dead. remember the quote from the 4th book? dumbledore states this " there is no spell to re-awaken the dead harry" so hes dead for sure but i do think they will talk to dumbledore through one of his portraits. just like they did with sirious's grandfather. he's dead but his portrait helped in the Order of the phoniex.

Originally posted by undomiel
avada kedavra never sends the victim flying in the air as it is stated in the books, the person just falls down dead. i dont think there is a velocity of the curse. it just instaintly kills you.

it didnot send him flying in the air.. it hit him... he got thrown backwards.. it acted like if you were standing still and a simytruck went flying past you at like 90mph you couldent just stand perfectly still you would be forced in a direction away from the truck... beacuse of the wind vilocity... the curse killed him and the wind behind the curse pushed him away.... and also there are reflexes when you see your bout to get hit with somthing you jump out of the way... well he could have jumped backwards... it doesent nessesaraly have to be the curse its self that pushed him backwards.

(hbp pg. 596)[ A jet of green light shot from the end of snape's wand and hit dumbleodre squarely in the chest. harry's scream of horror never left him; silent and unmoving, he was forced to watch as dumbledore was blasted into the air. for a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he fell slowly backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight.]

throughout this whole scene dumbledore is very weak and is slumped against the wall. he would not have the strength to move out of the way or jump backwards.
and spells do not have a speed or velocity. it does not force you into the air. it simply kills you.

Originally posted by undomiel
(hbp pg. 596)[ A jet of green light shot from the end of snape's wand and hit dumbleodre squarely in the chest. harry's scream of horror never left him; silent and unmoving, he was forced to watch as dumbledore was blasted into the air. for a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he fell slowly backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight.]

throughout this whole scene dumbledore is very weak and is slumped against the wall. he would not have the strength to move out of the way or jump backwards.
and spells do not have a speed or velocity. it does not force you into the air. it simply kills you.

i was talking about feaking Cedric. and anything moving through the air has vilocity

but im not going to argue its a matter of opinyon....

i think that harrys mum" slughorne told harry that his mum was good at potion making" made a potion that awakens the dead because dumbldore said that no spell can reawaken the dead.. not potion... i think thats why voldermort wanted to spare her so he would no how then he would have killed her... harry will go to godrics hollo and find the instructions that she left him to find he will awaken dumbledore, his dad and mum... he cant reawaken sirius cause he has no body to find...

What if?

Slughorn takes harry to the cave to teach him a lesson about how dangerous horcruxes are - responding to his interest.
He had polyjuice in one of the cauldrons at the beginning of his first potions lesson. Dumbledore at the cave says 'oho!' (a favourite Dumbledore saying.) He also seems to be bragging about his abilities - very slughorn like.
Mundungus was selling Sirius' possessions at Hogmede.
Dumbledore may have already got the horcrux from the cave earlier.
If Slughorn reset the whole cave thing up he could have used one of the items bought from Mundungus as an example - Hence the initials RAB.

Where is Slughorn at Dumbledore's funeral?

Dumbledore is alive!

Originally posted by HagridsRazor
What if?

Slughorn takes harry to the cave to teach him a lesson about how dangerous horcruxes are - responding to his interest.
He had polyjuice in one of the cauldrons at the beginning of his first potions lesson. Dumbledore at the cave says 'oho!' (a favourite Dumbledore saying.) He also seems to be bragging about his abilities - very slughorn like.
Mundungus was selling Sirius' possessions at Hogmede.
Dumbledore may have already got the horcrux from the cave earlier.
If Slughorn reset the whole cave thing up he could have used one of the items bought from Mundungus as an example - Hence the initials RAB.

Where is Slughorn at Dumbledore's funeral?

Dumbledore is alive!

Originally posted by dumbyaintdead
ok dudes. dumbledore is NOT dead.
the avada does not send you flying back into the air.
snape was sayin avada kedavra and didnt mean it. REMEMBER WHAT MOODY SAYS, AND BELLATRIX, YOU NEED TO MEAN THEM. but he was nonverbally saying something else, thats why dumbledore flew back.
fawkes probably caught him as he fell or he did a simple charm to make himself safe from the impact.
thats why nonverbal spells were mentioned so much in this book.
snape was angry because he didnt want to hurt dumbledore when he sent him flying back.,
hagrid heard them arguing that snape didnt want to do somthing but dumby said he had to.
about the unbreakable vow, who said there wasnt a time limit.
he did everything he could to "help" draco but he wouldnt let snape help him.
he obviously lied to narcissa and bellatrix after he looked into her mind since it was all she could think about and pretended voldy told him about the plan. so the plan he and dumbledore made would work, so snape would be trusted by voldy when he """"kills"""" dumbledore, remaining a spy for dumby ..

tell me if u need more convincing

If the curse didn't kill dumbledore, then falling off a tower would. don't you think hagrid would have checked that he was dead? unnh...uh...duh?

Originally posted by Darth Syko
If the curse didn't kill dumbledore, then falling off a tower would. don't you think hagrid would have checked that he was dead? unnh...uh...duh?

remember how in poa DD slowed harrys fall... without his wand right.. so that meas he could have slowed his fall as well...

i really dnt no what 2 think .......... both arguments r very convincin and they fit i think jk will cum up with a story no1 has thought of or will have the wierdest twist eva ..........dd was very old n at the point where he died and very weak i think the argument may have abowt this.....

snape told dd about the vow 2 nacrissa or w/e n dd said 2 snape "me n harry r going on a quest 2 find the horcrux u must kill me if u no choice i can be of no more help 2 harry whereas u can ......join the deatheaters n vollly n help harry .thats what they were argui about snape didnt want 2 kill dd but he did as dd requested

btw theres more than 1 horcrux left isn,t there ?........

goto dumbleforeisnotdead.com for inspiring ideas which no doubt will add fuel to the argument...! gives some pretty convincing logic for him not being dead!

Nobody ever said what the task of Draco was, they didn't say it fully.

OK. Go to page 6. Read Borborad's theory. Do you need more convincing?
Reread the book, chapter 1, where Snape makes to Unbreakable Vow. He has to 'do the deed for him if Malfoy looks like failing'. Now skip to the death scene. Pretend you are Snape.
You enter the roof space. You see DD, completely defenceless. You see Malfoy holding his wand up in the air. Where does it look to you like Malfoy will fail? He looks pretty winning. Snape does not know anything about what has been happening the last few minutes, he just enters and 'kills' DD.
My opinion is that he sees Malfoy with his wand up to DD and carries out the staged death, thinking Malfoy is about to 'beat' DD. This would explain why Snape acts so quickly.

OK this has not been explained very well. Go to page 6 and read the long post by Borborad...

Hmm... I reckon he's alive but... isnt that too easy?

Originally posted by dumbyaintdead
ok dudes. dumbledore is NOT dead.
the avada does not send you flying back into the air.
snape was sayin avada kedavra and didnt mean it. REMEMBER WHAT MOODY SAYS, AND BELLATRIX, YOU NEED TO MEAN THEM. but he was nonverbally saying something else, thats why dumbledore flew back.
fawkes probably caught him as he fell or he did a simple charm to make himself safe from the impact.
thats why nonverbal spells were mentioned so much in this book.
snape was angry because he didnt want to hurt dumbledore when he sent him flying back.,
hagrid heard them arguing that snape didnt want to do somthing but dumby said he had to.
about the unbreakable vow, who said there wasnt a time limit.
he did everything he could to "help" draco but he wouldnt let snape help him.
he obviously lied to narcissa and bellatrix after he looked into her mind since it was all she could think about and pretended voldy told him about the plan. so the plan he and dumbledore made would work, so snape would be trusted by voldy when he """"kills"""" dumbledore, remaining a spy for dumby ..

tell me if u need more convincing

you really have lost the plot, in the sixth book Dumbledore got hit with the Avada Kedavra and then fell off the edge of something. He DIED. Yeah i'm a Hp fan but i have faced it, he is dead, long gone and nothin will be able to save him.

He wouldnt make a horcrux so dont mention the idea.

Originally posted by hey dudes
i think that harrys mum" slughorne told harry that his mum was good at potion making" made a potion that awakens the dead because dumbldore said that no spell can reawaken the dead.. not potion... i think thats why voldermort wanted to spare her so he would no how then he would have killed her... harry will go to godrics hollo and find the instructions that she left him to find he will awaken dumbledore, his dad and mum... he cant reawaken sirius cause he has no body to find...

Voldemort already knows how to reawaken the dead, he has Inferi which are basically zombies that can do more damage.

They cant think etc so they dont really count!