Originally posted by Bardock42
It seems wrong to me, especially in a democratic society where you make the minority that are against killing people collaboraters as well.
Just for the sake of argument, I would like to question this.
Isn't a murderer already relinquishing their right to be treated like a normal citizen by commiting muder?
With this is mind, can they be considered collaboraters?
Originally posted by chithappensNo, not really. And yes, the criminals get killed in the name of the people.
Just for the sake of argument, I would like to question this.Isn't a murderer already relinquishing their right to be treated like a normal citizen by commiting muder?
With this is mind, can they be considered collaboraters?
I think the four major problems with the death penalty are that it doesn't work as deterrant, that innocent people get killed or put on death row from time to time, that it is still extremely costy and THAT YOU ARE KILLING A ****ING HUMAN BEING!
I have never been entirley sure where I stand on this issue, but I think I have finally decided against it. Reason being, I do not believe in 'an eye for an eye', and innocent people have been put to death before, and quite possibly, innocent people still are on death row.
I think executing prisoners makes us no better than the criminals themselves...
Public whippings and public executions should be enforced, I believe. Rapists should be hung by their balls until they are dead, dead, dead.
People who victimise animals should be thrown into a tiger's pit. Thieves should have their fingers cut off.
I am not a tolerant person. I live in a country with one of the highest violent-crime rates in the world, and I figure if you want to act like a barbarian, then you should be punished like a barbarian.
People who try to rule by using fear and intimidation. by using violence and victimisation, should be punished using their own methods.
And as soon as I become ruler of the world, I GUARANTEE I will make this world a safer, friendlier place to live, work and raise a family in. Plus, I'll broadcast all the executions and punishments on live tv!
Just imagine how satisfying it would be to throw a convicted, multiple murderer into a pit filled with venomous snakes and scorpions!
What - tell me you won't turn on the tv to watch it...
I have some interesting ideas involving chainsaws as well...
Because then society (meaning, my family, friends and I) has to pay for your housing, your clothing, your food, etc.
Why should we? Executing you removes you out of the gene pool, which is a good thing, as it improves the overall strain. It also prevents you from escaping or being released on bail and doing exactly the same thing.
If you take a life, on purpose, you should lose your life. If you have no respect for life, why should you keep yours, at great expense to me?
If I could force you to do hard labour until you die, then at least I could some value out of you. But since I can't, it is the simplest and most effective solution to just remove you out of society - permanently.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Because then society (meaning, my family, friends and I) has to pay for your housing, your clothing, your food, etc.Why should we? Executing you removes you out of the gene pool, which is a good thing, as it improves the overall strain. It also prevents you from escaping or being released on bail and doing exactly the same thing.
If you take a life, on purpose, you should lose your life. If you have no respect for life, why should you keep yours, at great expense to me?
If I could force you to do hard labour until you die, then at least I could some value out of you. But since I can't, it is the simplest and most effective solution to just remove you out of society - permanently.
Why do you insist on continuing the cycle of violence in this world?
Besides, why give the government approval to kill it's citizens?
Originally posted by PVS
..lit is based on revenge and punishment, surrounded by the illusion of a pious high ground in that "its the law".the u.s. prison system is a failure in that it does not deter people from being criminals, but rather justifies criminality and only serves to harden criminals and victimise the weak. those who are weak are not hardened criminals. so there is the choice of a prisoner.
HOWEVER>>> the basis for which the modern prison system was created was rehabilitation.
so, america gets it wrong than the world MUST have it wrong, or so seems to be the mentallity here. automatically its "the prison system doesnt work". well, maybe it could work, but we're just going about it very wrong.anyway, the point i was making is that the prison system, however failed, remains a noble ideal, in that it was not concieved as a means of punishment or revenge.
there is no logical reason to kill a person who is fully functioning. nobody can offer one. they can only allow their passions to judge the situation. to add to the illogic nature, people are willing to pay far more to kill a person. but why? why other than revenge? and if you reach the proper conclusion then question whether or not state sanctioned revenge killings make you feel just a bit uncomfortable?
my opinion still stands
Originally posted by Schecter[PVS]
the death penalty is a hypocrisy and it is murder. its murder because it is based on revenge and punishment, surrounded by the illusion of a pious high ground in that "its the law".the u.s. prison system is a failure in that it does not deter people from being criminals, but rather justifies criminality and only serves to harden criminals and victimise the weak. those who are weak are not hardened criminals. so there is the choice of a prisoner.
HOWEVER>>> the basis for which the modern prison system was created was rehabilitation.
so, america gets it wrong than the world MUST have it wrong, or so seems to be the mentallity here. automatically its "the prison system doesnt work". well, maybe it could work, but we're just going about it very wrong.anyway, the point i was making is that the prison system, however failed, remains a noble ideal, in that it was not concieved as a means of punishment or revenge.
there is no logical reason to kill a person who is fully functioning. nobody can offer one. they can only allow their passions to judge the situation. to add to the illogic nature, people are willing to pay far more to kill a person. but why? why other than revenge? and if you reach the proper conclusion then question whether or not state sanctioned revenge killings make you feel just a bit uncomfortable?
Wait, it costs more to execute someone after conviction and appeals have run out than it does to keep them in the prison system the rest of their lives? That doesn't sound right. But if its true, then I would definitely have no reason for execution anymore and I would side with life imprisonment over execution.
Originally posted by BigRed
The cost of keeping someone in jail for life and killing someone really isn't much. It's more or less the same.Why do you insist on continuing the cycle of violence in this world?
Besides, why give the government approval to kill it's citizens?
There is no possible way that it can cost more, or even the same, to house, feed and clothe somebody for the rest of his life, which, depending on when he was convicted, could be for anything up to seventy years, than it would cost to give somebody a lethal injection or hang them by the neck until they are dead, dead, dead.
Like I stated previously, if we could get some value from these criminals, by making them do hard labour, then perhaps they would end up paying for their own keep. But hard labour seems to have fallen out of favour in our new feel-good, politically-correct, sentimental societies.
Why do I insist on perpetuating the cycle of violence? I don't. I propose to end it. Once and for all. The current prison systems are clearly failures.
In prisons itself, violence, sexual assaults and victimisation are prevalent. THAT is where the cycle of violence feeds upon itself. Therefore, I propose to cut it off at its source.
Why give the government power to kill its citizens? If you are a repeat sexual offender, if you are a multiple rapist or murderer, if you get your kicks by hurting, assaulting or murdering people trying to live peacefully in a productive society - THEN YOU ARE NO LONGER A CITIZEN.
You are a predator, preying on citizens who abide by all the rules, regulations and laws that a society consist of.
Since you are attacking society itself, then, you should be perceived as the threat to peace and stability that you are and eliminated, like any lethal threat to a living organism (which a society is).
Originally posted by Deja~vu
The State made it expensive. All we really need to do is make him OD ON ACID. 😄Watch and cheer!!
He he. Damn, I would pay to see that broadcast live on tv! But we should be allowed to f@ck with their minds, while they are tripping, and then we should pass them chainsaws while playings some speed-metal...
Originally posted by dadudemonif money is all you consider than i think you are more hopeless than those who want to kill for revenge. in fact i would seriously question whether or not you have a soul
Wait, it costs more to execute someone after conviction and appeals have run out than it does to keep them in the prison system the rest of their lives? That doesn't sound right. But if its true, then I would definitely have no reason for execution anymore and I would side with life imprisonment over execution.