Some people don't like it when the movies dramatically change things from the comics,when those changes are not needed.
I have the highest respect for those people.There's nothing wrong with wanting the movies to respect the comics.
And the Spider-Man movies don't respect the comics in several important areas.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Some people don't like it when the movies dramatically change things from the comics,when those changes are not needed.I have the highest respect for those people.There's nothing wrong with wanting the movies to respect the comics.
And the Spider-Man movies don't respect the comics in several important areas.
But honostly, if Peter made web by himself in the movie that'd look stupid. And "superglue" thing from ultimate SM would also be a bad idea.
Originally posted by samishe
First of all people, stop whining about organic webbing. Because 90% of all people around the world who watched that movie haven't read the original comic book. So if Parker "created" web-shooters in the movie all these people would be like "WTF?" and Raimi had to think about majority, not about comixfans.
Second, Why everyone hate these movies so much? Second one was a little bit too dramatic but still it was an interesting, full of action movie. So what's the problem?
Typical behaviour of a man-spider fan,always calling people who are critical of these films whiners.I would rather be a whiner than a mindless drone who goes along and accepts every single unnessary stupid change thrown at them like sheep. 😛 thats the most moronic argument against the webshooters there is because if anything,getting the powers of a spider from a spiderbite to cling to walls,have super strength,ect all from a bite from a genetically altered spider is every bit as unbelieveable as a teenage kid creating a fluid.They would no more go WTF? over that then they did over him getting the powers of a spider to cling to walls ect.according to YOUR logic,movies such as back to the future should never have been made.thats far more unbelievable than what your talking about.Please,enough of that stupid logic that people would not accept the webshooters but they would accept him getting the powers of a spider bullcrap. They only excluded the webshooters because it was simple laziness on Raimi's part.He was too lazy to want to try and put the webshooters in so he took the lazy way out.Raimi was clueless in making these movies and did the comicbook an injustice.thats the problem. 🙄 some of us care about seeing the characters portrayed accurately onscreen and dont just blindly get excited about seeing a spider-man movie just because the name spider-man is one the screen. 🙄
Originally posted by samishe
But honostly, if Peter made web by himself in the movie that'd look stupid. And "superglue" thing from ultimate SM would also be a bad idea.
no more stupid than it looked in Back to the future when Marty Mcfly went back in time 30 years which unless the government has mastered a secret we dont know about, is impossible to do. 🙄 quit while your ahead,your crippling your arguments big time and making yoursell look bad in the process.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Typical behaviour of a man-spider fan,always calling people who are critical of these films whiners.I would rather be a whiner than a mindless drone who goes along and accepts every single unnessary stupid change thrown at them like sheep. 😛 thats the most moronic argument against the webshooters there is because if anything,getting the powers of a spider from a spiderbite to cling to walls,have super strength,ect all from a bite from a genetically altered spider is every bit as unbelieveable as a teenage kid creating a fluid.They would no more go WTF? over that then they did over him getting the powers of a spider to cling to walls ect.according to YOUR logic,movies such as back to the future should never have been made.thats far more unbelievable than what your talking about.Please,enough of that stupid logic that people would not accept the webshooters but they would accept him getting the powers of a spider bullcrap. They only excluded the webshooters because it was simple laziness on Raimi's part.He was too lazy to want to try and put the webshooters in so he took the lazy way out.Raimi was clueless in making these movies and did the comicbook an injustice.thats the problem. 🙄 some of us care about seeing the characters portrayed accurately onscreen and dont just blindly get excited about seeing a spider-man movie just because the name spider-man is one the screen. 🙄
Powers that came from a bite of a genetically altered spider is every bit as unbelieveable as a teenage kid creating a fluid?? Actually no. You see, I'm actually a hardcore comicbooks reader. What you say has no logic. People will not be like "WTF?" because of the organic webbing BECAUSE it came with other not ordinnary powers but you don't see it because you love Spider comix from your childhood.
When they see him crawling on walls and shooting webs they look at it as at Superman's flying and x-ray vision abbilities. They would be like "Ok, he got a lot of super powers. Fine" But if Parker firstly got his powers and then suddenly started creating webs that would seem stupid for everyone who doesn't read comix, but you can't understand that because you always read spider-man comix where he used his webshooters.
Originally posted by Dark Shazam93
Mr Parker, why are you ignoring a good argument and insulting one perfectly valid point by deliberately getting the COMPLETE wrong idea! And you WRRE wining, you've been whining about Spider-Man and the Batman movies for TOO DAMN LONG!
your living in a fantasy world because that ISNT a valid argument,its pathetic. 😆 I just shot that one down and you cant accept it.yeah I know I was winning-and doing so right now as well I might point out but,thanks for telling me that. 😄
Originally posted by samishe
Powers that came from a bite of a genetically altered spider is every bit as unbelieveable as a teenage kid creating a fluid?? Actually no. You see, I'm actually a hardcore comicbooks reader. What you say has no logic. People will not be like "WTF?" because of the organic webbing BECAUSE it came with other not ordinnary powers but you don't see it because you love Spider comix from your childhood.When they see him crawling on walls and shooting webs they look at it as at Superman's flying and x-ray vision abbilities. They would be like "Ok, he got a lot of super powers. Fine" But if Parker firstly got his powers and then suddenly started creating webs that would seem stupid for everyone who doesn't read comix, but you can't understand that because you always read spider-man comix where he used his webshooters.
actually YES it IS just as much unbelievable,your just living in denial like all MAN-SPIDER fans do on that because your one of those apologists man-spider fans who always feels the need to apologize for the shortcomings and failures of these films with these absurd laughable wild theorys like this one. No what YOU say has no logic as I just pointed out with The movie Back to the future that you conviently ignored.I know indeed for a fact that you are totally wrong about people NOT saying WTF? over organics because when the first film came out,I spoke to many people who were even non-comicbook fans and explained to them about the organics being in the movie and the explanation for them being in movie and guess what? everyone of them had the same response which was WTF? the whole thing of spider-man is unbelievable that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to make the movie like that. 🙄 also I have run into many people over the years who also thought the same thing I did when they heard that he was going to have organic webbing,they said-WTF? Man that makes no sense at all.If he had organic webbing,the webbing realistically would shoot out of his ass.Many people in real life and over the net have expressed that same reaction over the years so as usual,your clueless in what your talking about saying that people would not say WTF? over organics. 😆 More than likely thats why Stan Lee nevr gave him organic webbing because he knew people would be saying-man that makes no sense,the webbing would shoot out of his ass.Even Ock who doesnt hate the organics to the extreme I do,will tell you that he posts at a spiderman site all the time where many posters there have posted over the years the same complaint about organics,that the organics make no sense because logically they would shoot out of his ass.right OCK? 😉 and no it would NOT seem stupid to them with the right director and right screenwriter making the movie like they had for Batman Begins which they didnt have for these movies because people would know just like the people did that read the comics that he created the webbing so he could complete his powers and have ALL the powers a spider has. 🙄 I can see that you know nothing about logic or common sense though which is typical of a MAN-SPIDER fan, 😄 so I for one am through wasting my time on you so enjoy wasting your insane wild theorys on other posters because I wont read anymore of them. 😛 good day.
Originally posted by Dark Shazam93
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And besides, movies do't have to be IDENTICAL to comics to rock! In fact, its better if not the same in most comic movies...
who in the freaking world said the movie has to be IDENTICAL to the comics? stop putting words in peoples mouths.Just because some of us hate the organics doesnt mean we want the movie to be "exactly" IDENTICAL to the comicbook. 🙄 MAN-SPIDER fans like you though Knightfall dont seem to get that though. 🙄
Originally posted by Dark Shazam93
Mr Parker, why are you ignoring a good argument and insulting one perfectly valid point by deliberately getting the COMPLETE wrong idea! And you WRRE wining, you've been whining about Spider-Man and the Batman movies for TOO DAMN LONG!
Originally posted by Mr Parker
actually YES it IS just as much unbelievable,your just living in denial like all MAN-SPIDER fans do on that because your one of those apologists man-spider fans who always feels the need to apologize for the shortcomings and failures of these films with these absurd laughable wild theorys like this one. No what YOU say has no logic as I just pointed out with The movie Back to the future that you conviently ignored.I know indeed for a fact that you are totally wrong about people NOT saying WTF? over organics because when the first film came out,I spoke to many people who were even non-comicbook fans and explained to them about the organics being in the movie and the explanation for them being in movie and guess what? everyone of them had the same response which was WTF? the whole thing of spider-man is unbelievable that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to make the movie like that. 🙄 also I have run into many people over the years who also thought the same thing I did when they heard that he was going to have organic webbing,they said-WTF? Man that makes no sense at all.If he had organic webbing,the webbing realistically would shoot out of his ass.Many people in real life and over the net have expressed that same reaction over the years so as usual,your clueless in what your talking about saying that people would not say WTF? over organics. 😆 More than likely thats why Stan Lee nevr gave him organic webbing because he knew people would be saying-man that makes no sense,the webbing would shoot out of his ass.Even Ock who doesnt hate the organics to the extreme I do,will tell you that he posts at a spiderman site all the time where many posters there have posted over the years the same complaint about organics,that the organics make no sense because logically they would shoot out of his ass.right OCK? 😉 and no it would NOT seem stupid to them with the right director and right screenwriter making the movie like they had for Batman Begins which they didnt have for these movies because people would know just like the people did that read the comics that he created the webbing so he could complete his powers and have ALL the powers a spider has. 🙄 I can see that you know nothing about logic or common sense though which is typical of a MAN-SPIDER fan, 😄 so I for one am through wasting my time on you so enjoy wasting your insane wild theorys on other posters because I wont read anymore of them. 😛 good day.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
who in the freaking world said the movie has to be IDENTICAL to the comics? stop putting words in peoples mouths.Just because some of us hate the organics doesnt mean we want the movie to be "exactly" IDENTICAL to the comicbook. 🙄 MAN-SPIDER fans like you though Knightfall dont seem to get that though. 🙄
my opinion:
[1]at first i accepted the changes in the film becauce it looked really cool, i havent seen anything like a spiderman movie before, it was what i was waiting for since ever. Pretty soon Spider-man is gonna be remade, and everyone will see how crappy the spiderman movies are, just like how everyone loved burton batmovies and now they suck compared to batman begins. I dont know what it is about most comicbook movies but they change so much of the story (same with videogame movies).
[2]In Sp1 commentary, a person in the commentary said they tried to model the directing style after Spiderman/parker being spiderman, he's an amateur at web swinging=not stylized camera angle, and as the story progressed, they said the camera/directing would get better for the web swinging... but why not just have full 100% great camera work/angles?(for lack of better word)/for the whole movie...
Originally posted by Mr Parker
actually YES it IS just as much unbelievable,your just living in denial like all MAN-SPIDER fans do on that because your one of those apologists man-spider fans who always feels the need to apologize for the shortcomings and failures of these films with these absurd laughable wild theorys like this one. No what YOU say has no logic as I just pointed out with The movie Back to the future that you conviently ignored.I know indeed for a fact that you are totally wrong about people NOT saying WTF? over organics because when the first film came out,I spoke to many people who were even non-comicbook fans and explained to them about the organics being in the movie and the explanation for them being in movie and guess what? everyone of them had the same response which was WTF? the whole thing of spider-man is unbelievable that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to make the movie like that. 🙄 also I have run into many people over the years who also thought the same thing I did when they heard that he was going to have organic webbing,they said-WTF? Man that makes no sense at all.If he had organic webbing,the webbing realistically would shoot out of his ass.Many people in real life and over the net have expressed that same reaction over the years so as usual,your clueless in what your talking about saying that people would not say WTF? over organics. 😆 More than likely thats why Stan Lee nevr gave him organic webbing because he knew people would be saying-man that makes no sense,the webbing would shoot out of his ass.Even Ock who doesnt hate the organics to the extreme I do,will tell you that he posts at a spiderman site all the time where many posters there have posted over the years the same complaint about organics,that the organics make no sense because logically they would shoot out of his ass.right OCK? 😉 and no it would NOT seem stupid to them with the right director and right screenwriter making the movie like they had for Batman Begins which they didnt have for these movies because people would know just like the people did that read the comics that he created the webbing so he could complete his powers and have ALL the powers a spider has. 🙄 I can see that you know nothing about logic or common sense though which is typical of a MAN-SPIDER fan, 😄 so I for one am through wasting my time on you so enjoy wasting your insane wild theorys on other posters because I wont read anymore of them. 😛 good day.
Ok, now tell me how do you see that in the movie? Peter Parker gets bitten by spider, gets superpowers(Wallcrawling, strength, spider-sence) and then we see him seating in his room and talking to himself "I'm spider-man now, so I should create web-shooters!". the next moment we see is Parker again seating in the room "Yes! I finally CREATED web-shooters!" People look at that gadget and say "What the f!@k is that?","How the hell did he CREATED the WEB?", "Is it web atall? If it isn't really web, then why the f!@k it looks like giant web?".
Sorry but that would make sence only for comicbook readers, and that is bullsh!t that a lot of people(who never read comicbooks) agreed that Spider-man should've had web-shooters. Because I talked to many of them too. My brother BTW never read SM comix but he saw the movie. The first time I saw organic webbing on the screen I told him that originally Spider-man used web-shooters to spin web, he was like "Web-shooters? It's much cooler when he creates webs himself." That's what would say every one who don't read books.
Besides, in the movies directors can't make main heroes exactly the way they are in books. Take a Batman for example. He possibly could create a time machine in comicbooks, now imagine how it would look if in "batman begins" he made one. C'mone! No one would've taken that movie seriously then. Same in Spider-man, they couldn't have made him as clever as he was in comicbooks. People would never except such explanation "parker is very clever so he could create web-shooters"
Again, it all makes sence only for comicbook fanboys like you, who could never switch from reading books into simply watching based-on-comicbooks-movie without whining.
I'm not going to deep into this becuz this is retarded. Man-Spider sounds so stupid. The organics and crap dont matter. He is Spider-Man. The title of the movie says Spider-man. This is pointless and stupid. There is no Man-spider cuz of organics or whatever excuse u have just to start an arguement. The movie says Spiderman. It is Spiderman.
I'm only saying this because I know from experience... Mr. Parker is a stubborn, stubborn person... Even though I disagree with him COMPLETELY, I have a respect for him because he sticks so whole-heartedly to his beliefs... Even though he is quite rude about it sometimes... ^_^ My point is for you guys to give up trying to change his opinion. It's like trying to break a boulder with a marshmellow...
Let him hate the Spider-Man movies (or Man-Spider, whichever you people prefer), and let him tell everyone why. If you disagree, fine. Present your points, and leave it at that. Don't try to persuade him otherwise, cause IT WON'T WORK. Like I said, Mr. Parker is one of the most stubborn people I've ever encountered in my life.
Originally posted by samishe
Ok, now tell me how do you see that in the movie? Peter Parker gets bitten by spider, gets superpowers(Wallcrawling, strength, spider-sence) and then we see him seating in his room and talking to himself "I'm spider-man now, so I should create web-shooters!". the next moment we see is Parker again seating in the room "Yes! I finally CREATED web-shooters!" People look at that gadget and say "What the f!@k is that?","How the hell did he CREATED the WEB?", "Is it web atall? If it isn't really web, then why the f!@k it looks like giant web?".
Sorry but that would make sence only for comicbook readers, and that is bullsh!t that a lot of people(who never read comicbooks) agreed that Spider-man should've had web-shooters. Because I talked to many of them too. My brother BTW never read SM comix but he saw the movie. The first time I saw organic webbing on the screen I told him that originally Spider-man used web-shooters to spin web, he was like "Web-shooters? It's much cooler when he creates webs himself." That's what would say every one who don't read books.
Besides, in the movies directors can't make main heroes exactly the way they are in books. Take a Batman for example. He possibly could create a time machine in comicbooks, now imagine how it would look if in "batman begins" he made one. C'mone! No one would've taken that movie seriously then. Same in Spider-man, they couldn't have made him as clever as he was in comicbooks. People would never except such explanation "parker is very clever so he could create web-shooters"
Again, it all makes sence only for comicbook fanboys like you, who could never switch from reading books into simply watching based-on-comicbooks-movie without whining.
Okay this is going to be my last post to you because you cripple your arguments big time and cant be reasoned with at all obviously. thats wild conjecture on your part that they look at it and go WTF? with good screenwriting which was not present in these movies,they could have had him working on a devie for a science classroom project and that was his idea to not neccessarily create webbing but to shoot a chemicals out of a mechanisem.BINGO problem solved on why he would create the mechanics and webbing.Now that he realises he wants to complete his powers as a spider,he goes back to his experiment he was working on for his science classroom project that he had an idea for and uses that idea to create the webbing.simple when you have good competent screenwriters.nothing hard about that,understand? good.thats wild theory and conjecture on your part that they willl say that because you cant believe that organics are a completey stupid idea.no thats NOT bullshit,that a lot of people agreed on that with me that I talked with.your not litening because I told you that you can even ask ock about that spiderman site he posts at where people there have said the same thing but you chose to ignore that. 🙄 uh no thats not what EVERYONE of them woul say,knock it off with all these wild ludicrise theorys you keep sprouting off already okay? just because your brother says that doesnt mean EVERYBODY thinks that,what kind of logic is that? your brother doesnt speak for ALL movie goers out there. 🙄 Its not bullshit,I got no reason to make that up.Im just telling you how it is and how it all happened back then.You just cant accept it that your wild theorys hold no water. 😆 that is complete bullshit that moviegoers would not accept such an explanation because AGAIN the whole thing of spider-man is unbelievable,what part of that sentence do you fail to grasp and understand? better yet,thanks for bringing up that time machine example with Batman because you just helped me disprove your wild theorys AGAIN. 😆 😆 YOU crippled your wild theory there big time with that batman time machine example because obviously you did not look over that post I smentioned where according to your absurd logic,movies like BACK TO THE FUTURE should NEVER have been made because they are full of things far more absurd than that such as marty mcfly going back into a time machine 30 years back.you just shot yourself in the foot on that one because BACK TO THE FUTURE "proves" moviegoers will accept wild things that could never happen in real life at the movies. 😆 😆 so enough of this stupid talk that moviegoers who never read the comic wont accept that.apparently you missed this before so I will repeat it for you AGAIN-The ONLY reason the mechs were NOT included in the film was because that lazy bastard Sam Raimi was too damn lazy to want to try and use the mechs in the movie and take the extra couple of minutes or so to film them.if you dont remember anything else I mentioned to you in this post,please at least TRY and remember that last part.Is that asking too much? I dont think so. Like I said before,I would much rather be a whiner any day of the year rather than a mindless drone who goes along and accepts whatever ludicrise theory Sony and Raimi try and shove down peoples throat and brainwash moviegoers into believeing a spider-man film has been made when only a MAN-SPIDER film has been made. 🙄 I dont see why that is so hard for you to understand either. if you want to address this post then you will only be talking to yourself because you clearly cant be reasoned with and keep coming up with all these wild theorys that hold no water.I also dont waste my tme wit people who feel the need to call someone a whiner.Thats childish and grade school stuff. Better luck with your insane theorys on someone else because I have grown tired of shooting down your weak comebacks. 😆
and oh,since the topic of this thread is the villains,the REAL villians in these movies are Sam Raimi.He is an evil man for raping to death spideys character and turning him into a monster and should be shot for that. 😄
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Okay this is going to be my last post to you because you cripple your arguments big time and cant be reasoned with at all obviously. thats wild conjecture on your part that they look at it and go WTF? with good screenwriting which was not present in these movies,they could have had him working on a devie for a science classroom project and that was his idea to not neccessarily create webbing but to shoot a chemicals out of a mechanisem.BINGO problem solved on why he would create the mechanics and webbing.Now that he realises he wants to complete his powers as a spider,he goes back to his experiment he was working on for his science classroom project that he had an idea for and uses that idea to create the webbing.simple when you have good competent screenwriters.nothing hard about that,understand? good.thats wild theory and conjecture on your part that they willl say that because you cant believe that organics are a completey stupid idea.no thats NOT bullshit,that a lot of people agreed on that with me that I talked with.your not litening because I told you that you can even ask ock about that spiderman site he posts at where people there have said the same thing but you chose to ignore that. 🙄 uh no thats not what EVERYONE of them woul say,knock it off with all these wild ludicrise theorys you keep sprouting off already okay? just because your brother says that doesnt mean EVERYBODY thinks that,what kind of logic is that? your brother doesnt speak for ALL movie goers out there. 🙄 Its not bullshit,I got no reason to make that up.Im just telling you how it is and how it all happened back then.You just cant accept it that your wild theorys hold no water. 😆 that is complete bullshit that moviegoers would not accept such an explanation because AGAIN the whole thing of spider-man is unbelievable,what part of that sentence do you fail to grasp and understand? better yet,thanks for bringing up that time machine example with Batman because you just helped me disprove your wild theorys AGAIN. YOU crippled your wild theory there big time with that batman time machine example because obviously you did not look over that post I smentioned where according to your absurd logic,movies like BACK TO THE FUTURE should NEVER have been made because they are full of things far more absurd than that such as marty mcfly going back into a time machine 30 years back.you just shot yourself in the foot on that one because BACK TO THE FUTURE "proves" moviegoers will accept wild things that could never happen in real life at the movies. so enough of this stupid talk that moviegoers who never read the comic wont accept that.apparently you missed this before so I will repeat it for you AGAIN-The ONLY reason the mechs were NOT included in the film was because that lazy bastard Sam Raimi was too damn lazy to want to try and use the mechs in the movie and take the extra couple of minutes or so to film them.if you dont remember anything else I mentioned to you in this post,please at least TRY and remember that last part.Is that asking too much? I dont think so. Like I said before,I would much rather be a whiner any day of the year rather than a mindless drone who goes along and accepts whatever ludicrise theory Sony and Raimi try and shove down peoples throat and brainwash moviegoers into believeing a spider-man film has been made when only a MAN-SPIDER film has been made. 🙄 I dont see why that is so hard for you to understand either. if you want to address this post then you will only be talking to yourself because you clearly cant be reasoned with and keep coming up with all these wild theorys that hold no water.I also dont waste my tme wit people who feel the need to call someone a whiner.Thats childish and grade school stuff. Better luck with your insane theorys on someone else because I have grown tired of shooting down your weak comebacks. 😆and oh,since the topic of this thread is the villains,the REAL villians in these movies are Sam Raimi.He is an evil man for raping to death spideys character and turning him into a monster and should be shot for that.
😆 DEVICE that shoots a chemicals out? 😆
And you say that I'm not reasonable??
So you talked to a lot of people who don't think that web-shooters would look stupid in the movie? No wonder, you are from NY and there is really no such people who never heard of Spider-man. I bet all people you talked to are somehow fammiliar with Spidey and most certanly heard about his web-shooters (In their childhood or from their kids) so they don't find web-shooters strange. I talked not only to my brother, believe me there are lots of people here who NEVER heard about Spider-man before the first movie appeared. And I talked to many of them about that topic, ALL of them were talking negative about some "wierd" web cartrages and web-shooters. MAJORITY really don't want or need them to be in the movie.
"mindless drone who goes along and accepts whatever ludicrise theory"
😆 Dude, I simply don't take it so personal, Raimi made some changes, so f!@k it. Watch movie and go on reading books, but why keeping complaining about it as if it was aimed to insult YOU personally? 🙄
I've read this several times from several different people working on comic book related movies... The movie is supposed to be able to draw EVERYONE in; not just the people who are already fans. To do this, they create a new story- a story that is different from what the fans know so they won't feel "cheated" and a story that will bring in new fans. Sometimes that involves (even necessitates) minor alterations to the character.
Their objective (bring in new fans while keeping the old fans) sounds reasonable to me and the subtle differences seem the best way to achieve that goal.