Lemme see, which is bigger, stronger, more powerful?
Hurricane: severe atmospheric disturbance which occurs within a confined region of the Earth's atmosphere (ie, doesnt even come close to affecting the whole planet).
Nova: when a star (a whole star!)shines so bright it puts out several times its normal level of energy (and God help any planet too close to one).
This may take me a while... 🍺
Originally posted by Mindship
Lemme see, which is bigger, stronger, more powerful?Hurricane: severe atmospheric disturbance which occurs within a confined region of the Earth's atmosphere (ie, doesnt even come close to affecting the whole planet).
Nova: when a star (a whole star!)shines so bright it puts out several times its normal level of energy (and God help any planet too close to one).
This may take me a while... 🍺
Because Johnnys the functional equivalent of a star isnt he? 🙄
Originally posted by Wynndar
yep...And it actually takes Storm way way longer to summon a hurricane than it takes Torch to go Nova. This pro-Storm argument is pretty one sided.
How does it take Storm longer to create a hurricane than it takes Johnny to build up to Nova levels? Not at all. A hurricane is formed in seconds, however a hurricane gust can be generated just like that
And he can go Supernova in seconds as well. His nova flame is summoned just as easily as his lower level flame. But if he went around using Nova flame all the time he would have melted Manhattan already and murdered dozens of villains. When Torch took on Lyja, Paibok, and Devos all at once he saw he was losing the fight and went Nova in the time it took Devos to say one sentence...obliterating Empire State University! By the way, Lyja was a functional member of the F4, pretty powerful chick. Paibok is more powerful than the Super Skrull, has the powers of Electro, Iceman, and class 75 strength at least, and Devos took on the whole Skrull throneworld...a little more impressive than fighting Storm, Torch still took them on.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's what I thought too. He's basically saying: "I could kill her, but I won't."
He is saying that youre right but shes there restraining him and he's virtually helpless. The only way for him to get the upper hand was for him to use his most powerful attack to kill her. Thats what he has to resort to while shes just restraining him for the sake of the contest.
Look how helpless she had him. If she wanted to she could have struck with lightning or dropped a building on him to kill instead of trap him.
Luckily for him storm is against killing. 😉
I wuz just thinkin'...
As far as I know, Storm has no particular level of enhanced durability, epidermally speaking. Johnny could simply superheat the very wind Storm was raising and use her own weapon against her.
He doesn't have to "nova up" to 1,000,000 degrees to do that. 1/10th or even 1/100th that would be far more than enough to thoroughly vaporize any material - solid, liquid, or air - which might be found on sweet planet Earth (10,000o is the surface of the sun, btw). He's a good lad for restrainin' himself now, he is.
As for lightning: bolt temperature is about 50,000o...again easily exceeded by what the Torch can do.
I imagine that in this contest, much would depend on who strikes first...and, of course, on what the writers are drinking at the time.
Of course, if Batman could flame on...
Originally posted by Mindship
I wuz just thinkin'...As far as I know, Storm has no particular level of enhanced durability, epidermally speaking. Johnny could simply superheat the very wind Storm was raising and use her own weapon against her.
He doesn't have to "nova up" to 1,000,000 degrees to do that. 1/10th or even 1/100th that would be far more than enough to thoroughly vaporize any material - solid, liquid, or air - which might be found on sweet planet Earth (10,000o is the surface of the sun, btw). He's a good lad for restrainin' himself now, he is.
As for lightning: bolt temperature is about 50,000o...again easily exceeded by what the Torch can do.
I imagine that in this contest, much would depend on who strikes first...and, of course, on what the writers are drinking at the time.
Of course, if Batman could flame on...
It really is down to who strikes first to be honest as theyre both of human durability.
I just believe that because of the variety and range of storms powers that she would win.
His ability to heat up the air like that would be hampered by storm abilities to craete a monsoon. Also him heating up the air around him, just how wide reaching do you think that effect will be? Whats to stop her flying away? Also as you've seen in the scans he can be snuffed out temporarily and she has the ability to easily put him at her mercy.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yeah? 😕RESTRAINED!!! 😱 😂
Now after seeing that picture, I'm even more convinced that Human Torch can and will defeat Storm.
First, that wind totally caught him off guard. He even says it.
If a strong wind blows at you and you're not ready, it pushes you over. And then you'll try to regain your balance but the momentum is too great already. She had him stuck in that momentum since he was caught off guard.
Then he CLEARLY says he can fry the hell out of her. And it's obvious that he can. He just didn't do it since he didn't want to kill her. Honestly, I think Storm knew that. Look at the smug smile on her face. She was clearly taking advantage of that fact. If she thought that he would actually do it, she would've been scared as hell.
Torch can easily beat her with 1/100 of his flame's power.
Human Torch 8/10.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Now after seeing that picture, I'm even more convinced that Human Torch can and will defeat Storm.First, that wind totally caught him off guard. He even says it.
If a strong wind blows at you and you're not ready, it pushes you over. And then you'll try to regain your balance but the momentum is too great already. She had him stuck in that momentum since he was caught off guard.
Then he CLEARLY says he can fry the hell out of her. And it's obvious that he can. He just didn't do it since he didn't want to kill her. Honestly, I think Storm knew that. Look at the smug smile on her face. She was clearly taking advantage of that fact. If she thought that he would actually do it, she would've been scared as hell.
Torch can easily beat her with 1/100 of his flame's power.
Human Torch 8/10.
Thats poor logic. That scan shows that she can easily restrain him and shows that in the conditions she can bring about only his most powerful attacks have a hope of reaching her and being effective. Attacks which HT cant pull off instantly.
People keep saying that oh torch says he can kill her if he wanted to but if storm was in it to kill then she could easily kill him to. Look how easily she had him at her mercy. She could have killed him at any point but instead only intended to restrain him because killing him was against her nature. Johnny was going to take advantage of this fact and then felt ashamed at himself for even considering it. Especially in light of the fact that it was just a friendly competition and also that she never chose to go to those lengths even though its quite clear she too could hav equite easily killed him. Remember he has human durability as well.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How does it take Storm longer to create a hurricane than it takes Johnny to build up to Nova levels? Not at all. A hurricane is formed in seconds, however a hurricane gust can be generated just like that
I stated earlier in and issue of x-men it took three panels for her winds to gain sufficient strength. Johnny is always shownflamethrowing instantly.
Originally posted by life is cruell
I stated earlier in and issue of x-men it took three panels for her winds to gain sufficient strength. Johnny is always shownflamethrowing instantly.
Thats one instance and you havent stated what comic it was from. For all i know its from the 70's.
Hurricanes take seconds to reach full power a hurricane gust can be pulled off just like that.
Johnny may be able to pull off a flame blasts virtually instantaneously but the same goes for storms lightning bolts or low to medium level localised weather effects.