In wolverine issue 162 wolverine clearly sliced Beast with his claws and here you are saying that wolverine can't touch Beast, Wolverine would find it hard to beat spider-man who can dodge bullets and lasers, but Beast hell no. And if beast tries to bite wolverine's claws of then Beast can say goodbye to solid food and hello to baby food, not once have I seen Beast dodge a bullet.
if beat went animal on wolverine it would make it so much easier for wolverine to win. he try to go right at him and would get killed. also he not much more agile in the least. not gunna hit him then why has wolverine proven he easily can. spiderman is more agile then beats and wolverine has hit him plenty of times. night crawler is also as agile or more so then beast and wolverine has proven he easily fast enough to get ngith crawler with little effort.
also bye the way wolverine has dodged bullets and lazers befor here are just some of the many many times he has
(uncanny x-men 221) havok unleashes all his energy at once destroying haft a city wolverine get hit full on it from behind he heals up quite fine gambit has no were near that fire power also they were not fighting havok powers just went out of control. (wolverine #149) healing factor is gone he dodges many explosions a long with other objects more faster then bullets. ( #124 wolverine side by side with captain america) wolverine dodges many bullets. (#135 wolverine) wolverine dodges lazers. (wolverine 137) dodges lazer in mid air. (#31 wolverine) fights grogon who move far faster then a bullet some were near or past speed of sound. (wolverine 30) grogon show that people move in very slow motion to him along with bullets. also wolverine was able to stab this guy many many times proving he have to be extremely quick and agile far faster then bullets.
(wolverine Blood debt chapter 2) wolverine walks in a room full of two hundred highly trained killers in china, wolverine dodges all of there shots ecpt well charging them ecpt for 4 shots that only hit him when he is haft a foot way from them.
(Daredevil man with out fear vs wolverine #249) wolverine charges bush wacker dodging the machine gun bullets. daredevil says "Wolverines DODGING ALL Those Bullets! that is the quote from the comic book they even put DODGING ALL in all capitals.
(olverine x-men deluxe) to ahnd ninja jump froma window wolverine cuts both of them to pieces befor they hit the ground.
(giant size x-men #4) night crawler says he does not need his powers to dodge his teleporting to dodge him so they make a bet wolverine hand me so fast night crawler only notices after it to late and wolverine won. oh by the way night crawlers fast and far more agile then gambit.
THESE ARE FACTS
Originally posted by steverules
In wolverine issue 162 wolverine clearly sliced Beast with his claws and here you are saying that wolverine can't touch Beast.
Was that the current Beast?
I believe that it was not.
I seen Beast dodge a bullet.
He dodges lazers regulary in Danger Room.
Lazer goes faster then a bullet.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
also bye the way wolverine has dodged bullets and lazers befor here are just some of the many many times he has(uncanny x-men 221) havok unleashes all his energy at once destroying haft a city wolverine get hit full on it from behind he heals up quite fine gambit has no were near that fire power also they were not fighting havok powers just went out of control. (wolverine #149) healing factor is gone he dodges many explosions a long with other objects more faster then bullets. ( #124 wolverine side by side with captain america) wolverine dodges many bullets. (#135 wolverine) wolverine dodges lazers. (wolverine 137) dodges lazer in mid air. (#31 wolverine) fights grogon who move far faster then a bullet some were near or past speed of sound. (wolverine 30) grogon show that people move in very slow motion to him along with bullets. also wolverine was able to stab this guy many many times proving he have to be extremely quick and agile far faster then bullets.
(wolverine Blood debt chapter 2) wolverine walks in a room full of two hundred highly trained killers in china, wolverine dodges all of there shots ecpt well charging them ecpt for 4 shots that only hit him when he is haft a foot way from them.
(Daredevil man with out fear vs wolverine #249) wolverine charges bush wacker dodging the machine gun bullets. daredevil says "Wolverines DODGING ALL Those Bullets! that is the quote from the comic book they even put DODGING ALL in all capitals.
(olverine x-men deluxe) to ahnd ninja jump froma window wolverine cuts both of them to pieces befor they hit the ground.
(giant size x-men #4) night crawler says he does not need his powers to dodge his teleporting to dodge him so they make a bet wolverine hand me so fast night crawler only notices after it to late and wolverine won. oh by the way night crawlers fast and far more agile then gambit.
THESE ARE FACTS
Impressive list.
I am now trying to get all of these comics to see them. (Since you don't have a scanner)
ya i wish i did have a scanner there quite good comics. I like blood debt a lot. also wolveirne dodges lazers in the daner room also. actaul now that u bring up the danger room wolverine uses the highest level of danger then any other x-men by a good amount. hell most of the upgrades to the danger room were because wolverine in nuetral was not even having any trouble with it.
Uh...so does Beast, dude. Beast always uses the highest setting in the Danger Room as well. He can take it just as well as Wolverine.
And I can't believe you actually sat there and said that Beast can't dodge lasers and bullets. Not like he hasn't been doing it for the past 40 years or anything.
And you're still posting that list of comics? I've already shown you that Wolverine was indeed knocked out by Havok's blast. That alone shows that you sometimes like to exaggerate the facts just a little bit in Wolverine's favor.
And I'm sorry, but Beast's agility>>>>>>Wolverine's.
Spiderman's agility>>>>>Nightcrawler's agility
Nightcrawler's agility = Beast's agility
Beast's agility>>>>>>>>Wolverine's
And I'm not saying that Wolverine isn't agile, cuz he is very much agile. He's quite the agile character, I'm not doubting that. Just that Beast's agility puts Wolvie's to shame.
I don't make the rules, I just present the facts.
Originally posted by steverules
Was that the current Beast?I believe that it was not.
If you mean the blue and hairy guy with a healing factor then yeah that is the current beast. If beast is so great why is he dead in the ultimate x-men? Tell me who has a better healing factor wolvie or beast?
Wolverine has the better healing factor. I never denied that.
And I'm still quite pissed that they killed Beast off in Ultimate X-men. Though, and I am looking at the exact comic right now, he did pretty much get directly blasted by the uber powerful eyebeams of a ginormous and powerful sentinel. That, and basically half of the entire ceiling collapsed on top of him. He was still smoking and even had a small flame on his fur.
Call me crazy, but I think that's just enough to kill Beast.
I own one issue where wolverine goes berserker and It didnt look to me like he was thinking clearly he just wanted to kill so he got sloppy. Beast would dodge and attack repeatidly. I think going feral isnt smarrt when your fighting some one very agile and intelligent who could keep away. Both fighting to the best of their ability without losing control I give the edge to wolverine 6/10
By the way who started the ?/10 thing?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Uh...so does Beast, dude. Beast always uses the highest setting in the Danger Room as well. He can take it just as well as Wolverine.And I can't believe you actually sat there and said that Beast can't dodge lasers and bullets. Not like he hasn't been doing it for the past 40 years or anything.
And you're still posting that list of comics? I've already shown you that Wolverine was indeed knocked out by Havok's blast. That alone shows that you sometimes like to exaggerate the facts just a little bit in Wolverine's favor.
And I'm sorry, but Beast's agility>>>>>>Wolverine's.
Spiderman's agility>>>>>Nightcrawler's agility
Nightcrawler's agility = Beast's agility
Beast's agility>>>>>>>>Wolverine's
And I'm not saying that Wolverine isn't agile, cuz he is very much agile. He's quite the agile character, I'm not doubting that. Just that Beast's agility puts Wolvie's to shame.
I don't make the rules, I just present the facts.
Neither beast nor nightcrawler has much greater agility than wolvie,they´re a little above Logan in reflexes and agility,just a little.Beast always get hit by Wolverine very easily,Logan beat him in two panel,sabretooth almost killed beast yada yada yada.
it´s more like that:
beast´s agility > logan´s agility
beast´s strenght >> logan´s strenght
logan´s senses >>> beast´s senses
logan´s stamina >>>>> beast´s stamina
logan´s durability >>>>>>> beast´s durability
logan´s fighting skills >>>>>>>>>>>>> beast fighting skills
logan´s healing factor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beast´s healing factor
Originally posted by X-Logan
wrong...Again you are letting your hatress for wolvie blind you.Neither beast nor nightcrawler has much greater agility than wolvie,they´re a little above Logan in reflexes and agility,just a little.Beast always get hit by Wolverine very easily,Logan beat him in two panel,sabretooth almost killed beast yada yada yada.
it´s more like that:
beast´s agility > logan´s agility
beast´s strenght >> logan´s strenght
logan´s senses >>> beast´s senses
logan´s stamina >>>>> beast´s stamina
logan´s durability >>>>>>> beast´s durability
logan´s fighting skills >>>>>>>>>>>>> beast fighting skills
logan´s healing factor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beast´s healing factor
Beast's agility>>>>>>>Logan's.
Beast strength>>>>>Logan's.
Beast's senses = Logan's.
Beast's stamina = Logan's.
Beast's durability>>>Logan's.
Beast's healing factor<<<<<<<Logan's.
Beast's fighting skills<<<<Logan's.
And I'm spent. All this pointless debating over the clear winner of Beast has really worn me out. I'm going to go take a nap.
Seriously.
When wolverine goes beserker does it make him..... how can I put this ummm..... more powerful, like he becomes better when he goes beserk, I mean does it make it easier for him to take someone down? In the wolverine issue where he fights Mr X it actually helped him win, cause when wolvie goes beserk then he doesn't know what move he'll do next he just does it. Mr X was a telepath who knew what move wolvie would do next but then wolvie learned that if he went into beserker rage and he didn't even know what move he would do next then neither would Mr X.(That's just in case no one knew what I was on about).
Originally posted by steverules
When wolverine goes beserker does it make him..... how can I put this ummm..... more powerful, like he becomes better when he goes beserk, I mean does it make it easier for him to take someone down? In the wolverine issue where he fights Mr X it actually helped him win, cause when wolvie goes beserk then he doesn't know what move he'll do next he just does it. Mr X was a telepath who knew what move wolvie would do next but then wolvie learned that if he went into beserker rage and he didn't even know what move he would do next then neither would Mr X.(That's just in case no one knew what I was on about).
Good thing that Beast is not an telepath, eh?
It has no more trouble to him then when Wolverine is not berserk.
By the way feral and beserker are to diffrent thing. beserker makes wolverine better at ever thing he does. feral is when he lets his animal side over. berserker is when he keeps his fighting skills but seems as if his animal side is in control but it not. yes make wolverine move and do strats as he goes. also by the way wolevrien senser i greater then beasts. and beast agility does not put wolverine to shame int he least. durability beast is a whole level below wolverine and im talken about pure durability.
No, you're still talking about healing factor. I'm talking about the actual durability before the healing factor is involved in the very first place.
I'm talking about how much it takes to cause damage, not how fast one can heal and be back to normal again.
Beast has greater durability, but Wolverine has the better healing factor and will return to normal faster than Beast.
And you don't have to believe the truth, but Beast's agility really does put Wolverine to shame. I don't know how else to get through to you, but he does.
prove were is has. also again I told u metal beast durability is not higher then wolverines. wolverien with out his healing factor can take hits far better then beast wait till i find my stat book. it states wolverine durability higher then beast's.
also befor u think thats with healing factor add it not healing factor on the list also.