Super buu vs Superman

Originally posted by Bardock42
I know that...but theres no proof that Superman can't be transformed......

Absence of proof is not proof of absence either. In any case, let me play devil's advocate; Superman is suseptible to magic from what I recall. Buu is a magical construct. However, I'm not for certain which of his attacks and special talents are magical in nature, and which rely on ki or perhaps both. This is something you need to show in your posts if you want to champion transmogrification as a way of Buu getting the upperhand.

And in any case, I recall Vegeta and Goku tearing Buu apart from within and liberating those inside of him, drastically weakening him.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Tss....so much Bullshit..it's not even funny....you agree on the wrong pretenses here..you think we are argueing to win ....in fact we (at least I) am argueing to find the most probable.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Absence of proof is not proof of absence either. In any case, let me play devil's advocate; Superman is suseptible to magic from what I recall. Buu is a magical construct. However, I'm not for certain which of his attacks and special talents are magical in nature, and which rely on ki or perhaps both. This is something you need to show in your posts if you want to champion transmogrification as a way of Buu getting the upperhand.

And in any case, I recall Vegeta and Goku tearing Buu apart from within and liberating those inside of him, drastically weakening him.

No, it's easy to proof thqat Buu can Transform people...now it'son you to bring evidence why you don't think that he cannot.....

Yes..can you proof Superman is as Powerful as Vegeto....or that he has what it takes to resist such a transformation?

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Absence of proof is not proof of absence either. In any case, let me play devil's advocate; Superman is suseptible to magic from what I recall. Buu is a magical construct. However, I'm not for certain which of his attacks and special talents are magical in nature, and which rely on ki or perhaps both. This is something you need to show in your posts if you want to champion transmogrification as a way of Buu getting the upperhand.

And in any case, I recall Vegeta and Goku tearing Buu apart from within and liberating those inside of him, drastically weakening him.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But that'S my whole arguement here....I am just saying it goes both ways...I cannoit proof that Goku can hurt Superan but that doesn't mean that he can't.

No, it's easy to proof thqat Buu can Transform people...now it'son you to bring evidence why you don't think that he cannot.....

Yes..can you proof Superman is as Powerful as Vegeto....or that he has what it takes to resist such a transformation?

Because certainly if a lesser being can resist an attack why wouldn't a stronger one?

Originally posted by Creshosk
According to some people all of it is ki based. Even Gotenks's kamikaze ghosts were just a ki technique accoriding to someone. . . 😕

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually we've already shown a high power level for Superman, can you prove vegitto is as powerful as superman.

Because certainly if a lesser being can resist an attack why wouldn't a stronger one?

Because it might not be aboot Strength but aboot Ki Concentration...I don't know...I don't see any evidence that Superman Resisted an attack like that..now really you would have to bring that iof you want to claim that Superman wins (you see how it feels to be asked for proof that's nowhere in the Comics because itS' either not mentioned or not possible in the Universe?)

Then I guess it should be up to the DBZ side to prove the nature of the attack before we can continue.

Since we don't know what is required how can we show if he is able to?

So the DBZ side has to show what it is.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then I guess it should be up to the DBZ side to prove the nature of the attack before we can continue.

Since we don't know what is required how can we show if he is able to?

So the DBZ side has to show what it is.

So now your turn.....you even got the easy way.....

Agreed. You as a DBZ side supporter must prove up evidence of it being a magical attack, not just assuming it is. This is called logical debate. I already corrected you on your assumption that we "can't judge the two" on the other thread (But remarkably, you're all too willing to admit Supes can be outclassed by a DBZ character... how does that work, Mister IMpartial?)

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Agreed. You as a DBZ side supporter must prove up evidence of it being a magical attack, not just assuming it is. This is called logical debate. I already corrected you on your assumption that we "can't judge the two" on the other thread (But remarkably, you're all too willing to admit Supes can be outclassed by a DBZ character... how does that work, Mister IMpartial?)

First I am not a DBZ side supporter..I am relatively undecided at the moment..I just don't have the certainty you have...

Sedcond I disissed it being a Magical attack..not because know it isn't but because I doubt it matters...Superman can't take either.

No, you obviously don't get it. You are arguing AGAINST Superman supporters. This puts you on the other side, even if for this sole point. It is then up to YOU to provide evidence! This is Bardock's free for all OMFG I'm spared from the hassle of proving my case... No, you should put up or shut up.

What part of that is so damn difficult to realize?

I am argueing against Superman Supporters..that much is true....am I therefore a DBZ supporter?...No I am not...I am not claiming Buu easily wins every fight agains tSuperman...I just say theres no real comparing of the two sides...Superman put out some impressive ffeats..but they vary very much....Goku put out very impressive feats buit they are not that easily determinable as to how strong exactly they are.

There is not only Black and White you have to realize that...I question your evidence as much as I questioned Twisters 100 000 000 Power Level Claim.....I give evidence as much as I can...and the only reason I argue for the DBZ side is because in these threads are at least Three people absolute convinced of Superman winning.....plus there's more evidence on Supermans side..so it's only fair if someone argues for the other side...and I see there's evidence for both sides....

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause I have in front of me Superman beating the shit out of kid buu in a manga written by Akira Toriyama.

Can I see that please! I'm not trying to call your bluff! I'm just interested in that! I've heard of akira doing this but have been unable to find the comics or scans!! plz plz plz PM me it or post it!

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am argueing against Superman Supporters..that much is true....am I therefore a DBZ supporter?...No I am not...I am not claiming Buu easily wins every fight agains tSuperman...I just say theres no real comparing of the two sides...Superman put out some impressive ffeats..but they vary very much....Goku put out very impressive feats buit they are not that easily determinable as to how strong exactly they are.

There is not only Black and White you have to realize that...I question your evidence as much as I questioned Twisters 100 000 000 Power Level Claim.....I give evidence as much as I can...and the only reason I argue for the DBZ side is because in these threads are at least Three people absolute convinced of Superman winning.....plus there's more evidence on Supermans side..so it's only fair if someone argues for the other side...and I see there's evidence for both sides....

I already read you the riot act in another thread. But seriously, why the hell are you even posting here? What, are you the referee? You suck at it, since you're horribly biased for DBZ. Please... stfu.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Absence of proof is not proof of absence either. In any case, let me play devil's advocate; Superman is suseptible to magic from what I recall. Buu is a magical construct. However, I'm not for certain which of his attacks and special talents are magical in nature, and which rely on ki or perhaps both. This is something you need to show in your posts if you want to champion transmogrification as a way of Buu getting the upperhand.

And in any case, I recall Vegeta and Goku tearing Buu apart from within and liberating those inside of him, drastically weakening him.

Actually, Blaze (a devil) tried magical transmutation on Supes and it failed...

Oh yeah, it did. Hell, I forgot about that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
First I am not a DBZ side supporter..I am relatively undecided at the moment..I just don't have the certainty you have...

Sedcond I disissed it being a Magical attack..not because know it isn't but because I doubt it matters...Superman can't take either.

We're not stupid you know, you insult our inteligence when you lie to us like that.

"You actually hthink that Superman stands a chance?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wait you're arguing heavily for a side that you're not sure about and desperitly calling us fanboys?

We're not stupid you know, you insult our inteligence when you lie to us like that.

"You actually hthink that Superman stands a chance?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

This is a quote I posted a week ago...I already saw my miustake in that..I told you that....you don't have to bring it up...but if you want to...I will say it again..I WAS WRONG THERE. Alright? Now that doesn't mean that Superman is sure to win.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
I already read you the riot act in another thread. But seriously, why the hell are you even posting here? What, are you the referee? You suck at it, since you're horribly biased for DBZ. Please... stfu.

I am a debater like everyone else...I just don't agree with any side anymore. I am no judge...I don't hold the truth somewhere...I don't even know it..I am jsut suprised that everyone else does.....and I enjoy posting here..that is why I continued....

I am argueing it is not a 100% deal you ake it out to be.

Nothing is ever 100%. I already said, this isn't an exact science. Our purpose here is to determine who has the greatest chance of victory... Best two out of three, if you will. If you can't wrap your mind around this, you are really clueless. It's been stated time and time again.

That is your Fanboyism..

No, it's the conclusion coming from the mounds of evidence for both sides. If you can't realize this, you can't debate objectively and you are either incapable of reason or biased for the losing side.

I don't support any side...there'S just not any people nargueing DBZ side although I believe they have a chance.

Again, chance is not the purpose of this debate. Pikachu has a chance to one-up Supes given certain PIS moments and perhaps a Kryptonite Pokeball... do we give a shit? No. This is to determine who is more likely to win. Who has the feats, strength, endurance, etc. to win. The evidence points to Superman. If you remain unconvinced of that, you, sir, are helpless.

And really, "I don't support any side... there's just not any people arguing DBZ side although I believe they have a chance." Do you always contradict yourself? Look up contradiction. Look up reason. Look up debate.

This is a quote I posted a week ago...I already saw my miustake in that..I told you that....you don't have to bring it up...but if you want to...I will say it again..I WAS WRONG THERE. Alright? Now that doesn't mean that Superman is sure to win.

Humility is nice. Try applying that more than once.

I am a debater like everyone else...

No, you're not a debater in the sense. You do not use an objective, rational method to come to a conclusion. You spit in the face of reason and evidence, and you openly say one thing, support one thing, and deny it in the same breath. You, sir, are not a debater. Being a debater doesn't mean you simply have a stance; it means you make a valid and sound attempt to PROVE UP!

I just don't agree with any side anymore.

Then why bug both sides with your indecisiveness? Seriously... do your parents have to dress you? You obviously couldn't make up your mind to take a dump based on what I'm seeing here.

I am no judge...

Yet you render judgment, call evidence into question, and expect all to prove up to you in a one-sided appeasement-fest. If this isn't trying to be a judge, I don't know what is.

I don't hold the truth somewhere...I don't even know it..

Just what the hell are you getting at here? Is this more Bardock42 excuses and whining to circumvent the idea that Goku is bloody pwned?

I am jsut suprised that everyone else does.....and I enjoy posting here..that is why I continued....

Uh huh.