Super buu vs Superman

Started by Bardock427 pages

If it was that way I say theres a favor for Superman....he probably wins it more often than not.....but if thats all we are talking aboot..well....that's just stupid.

I agreed with evidence that I couldn't disprove on either side...the 8 Times Light Speed is a Mistake though......

Now that'S a different thing if it was a 99% thing...hell even a 90% thing I wouldn't debate...I think it is reasonab枚e though to believe that buu can win..maybe even up to 30-40% ....

I am not argueing for or against Superman..I do not want to argue that he will lose 10 out of 10 ....I am just argueing for DBZ because I find it highly underestimated in here....if there were 20 People claiming Buu wins everytime I would argue that Superman could as well win (as I nsaid I changed my mind in the last week....when I first came here I was sure it would be for Buu.. don't think so anymore)

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Not true..I read the Comics..both Superman and DB and came to the conclusion that it is a) hard to determine power levels in DBZ and b) not easy to determine who will win it

I debate for my own amusment..I really don'T care if either side likes it...if someone claims Freezer has power Level 100 million I will tell the that they are wrong if someone else claims that Flash is 300 000 times light speed I will also point out that this is obviously wrong and was disproven in many Flash Comics....

Well it is not actually the job of the Judge to question evidence its the job of the debater.....I am not claiming that I am right or telling who will win and there is no discussion beyond that..I am looking for reasons to believe that either side has a sure deal...if I should just take all evidence given as being true well then I can*t argue..that's not what I do...I quetion things that obviously are bullshit.....

Actually that part still belonged to the "I a no judge" part..so well...ripping it apart doesn't really make sense

Yes...and I believe you do too? Or do you debate for some greater good not enjoying anything you do?

If it was that way I say theres a favor for Superman....he probably wins it more often than not.....but if thats all we are talking aboot..well....that's just stupid.

So you just admitted that Supes is the winner of this thread... and then you say that doing anything other than an exact science decision is stupid. You're saying that everything is 100% when nothing in nature nor in reality is so. You're essentially poo-pooing this entire forum and every other section like it anywhere as being completely invalid because it does not comform to your specifications of worthwhile.

Anyone else find that incredibly stupid and a total cop-out?


I agreed with evidence that I couldn't disprove on either side...the 8 Times Light Speed is a Mistake though......

Is it? I don't recall where the figure came from or why it's the base of DBZ opposition, but I'd like to point out again that a black hole (Of which Supes survived two) has such a strong gravity pull that not even light can escape. You do the math.


Now that'S a different thing if it was a 99% thing...hell even a 90% thing I wouldn't debate...I think it is reasonab枚e though to believe that buu can win..maybe even up to 30-40% ....

Proof of this? Can I get a cohesive argument out of any of you DBZ fanboys? Look up cohesive.


I am not argueing for or against Superman..

... when you've argued almost exclusively against him from every instance I've seen.


I do not want to argue that he will lose 10 out of 10 ....I am just argueing for DBZ because I find it highly underestimated in here....

You're arguing against Supes in all threads containing him versus DBZ characters out of... sympathy? Are you that bored?


if there were 20 People claiming Buu wins everytime I would argue that Superman could as well win (as I nsaid I changed my mind in the last week....when I first came here I was sure it would be for Buu.. don't think so anymore)

So are you some neutrality balancing figure that is here to correct the imbalance of this thread? Or are you really a DBZ fanboy as your demeanor and screen name implies and denying it until the cows come home hoping we'll just lay off of you?


Not true..I read the Comics..both Superman and DB and came to the conclusion that it is a) hard to determine power levels in DBZ and b) not easy to determine who will win it

Really? I don't see this. Maybe you see the world differently. Like, through those glasses that simulate drunkeness.


I debate for my own amusment..

Correction: You attempt to debate for your own amusement. You have yet to debate like a mature adult. I'm guessing you're either rationally off or you're immature.


I really don'T care if either side likes it...

Really? Then we'll rip apart your idiocy time and again, whether or not you like it is apparently irrelevant.


if someone claims Freezer has power Level 100 million I will tell the that they are wrong if someone else claims that Flash is 300 000 times light speed I will also point out that this is obviously wrong and was disproven in many Flash Comics....

Yes, and other people far more capable of reason and coherent posts (Not to mention better grammar) have done this as well. You simply aren't required to moderate this thread. But thanks for assuming we wanted you to, o' judge.


Well it is not actually the job of the Judge to question evidence its the job of the debater.....

Incorrect. Judges make the final say in what evidence is admissible and what isn't. You've taken this upon yourself to do. You are attempting to play judge, and you suck at it.


I am not claiming that I am right or telling who will win and there is no discussion beyond that..I am looking for reasons to believe that either side has a sure deal...

In other words, you are trying to undermine the overwhelming advantage Supes has on these threads with hearsay, hyperbole, bullshit, and idiocy complete and packaged with circular reasoning. Btw, this is counterproductive to reasoning. Look up counterproductive.


if I should just take all evidence given as being true well then I can*t argue..that's not what I do...I quetion things that obviously are bullshit.....

Then you'd spend all day questioning your own posts.


Actually that part still belonged to the "I a no judge" part..so well...ripping it apart doesn't really make sense

I don't make sense of you either.


Yes...and I believe you do too? Or do you debate for some greater good not enjoying anything you do?

Could you please cite what you're answering to... Your posts are confusing as reading Politika backwards.

What the hell how is everything on this forum invalid just because no one knows how strong DB Characters are? ....don't see that exactly....As fo the thread being "Who would win more often" yes I ahve to go with Superman there..but shouldn't the real topic be to determine how the two characters compare?

Yes, and I never said he couldn't reach light Speed (or close to it) I actually agree with that..Superman is fast nod oubt aboot it..he's jsut slower than Flash and not nearly 8 times the speed of light.....1.00000000001 times max....

Surviving Kamehame Has.....Surviving Ki Blasts destroying the earth...being able to destroy Solar Systems....speed not being determinable......enought to have reasonable doubt in my opinion.

Cause you Creshnok and others do a very good job argueing his side...not much to argue for him..especially since my Superman Knowledge except for JLA and Batman/Superman is at least outdated by 5 years.

I am neuther ....I am not neutrality nor a I a fanboy..I argue my side as I believe it jsut like you do..like jinzinn like Creshnok...like everybody on here....I have no suiperior standing or anything...I am debating with thee same pretenses as you do.

No I love Dragonball..I am a fan of the show..and yes I am not a big fan of Superman but I do not argue for the Dragonball side because I love them or hate Superman but because I believe they have a chance....

Oh so you can determine the exact level of Power Dragonball Characters do have? I am curious now..just how much firce do you know does a Genkidama have?

Ok, I guess I post for my own amusement then...better?

It is irrellevant indeed....although I don't agree that all I say is so flawed...

Again I am not moderating..I am trying to give facts....I don't care whoever wins....a debate is not aboot winning..it is aboot finding the truth...it is hard if not impossible here....but I will state where I see logical faults....if you like it or not.

Again I am not deciding which evidence is acceptable adn which isn*t (except for myself) I am jsut saying why I think it isn't....you don't have to agree with me...I just state why I belief something...

No I am jnot...I am not undermining anything....what did I undermine? just because I said Superman never before and never after did surpass the Speed of light that much? Now that'S just what I got from reading comics..it's not cause I hate Superman or anything I just don't see how this can be true...

Why?

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The last part was in response to your "Uh huh." ....

lmao...

I'll be back in a bit and go over that piece by piece. I don't think we're relating properly via English, really.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
lmao...

I'll be back in a bit and go over that piece by piece. I don't think we're relating properly via English, really.

Ok...I will probably be off for today...so have a good night. (And I am pretty sure I understand what you are saying..so you could just leave out the "you are foreign, you don't understand" parts of your post, I would appreciate it.)

I knew I could rile you with that statement.

What the hell how is everything on this forum invalid just because no one knows how strong DB Characters are?

Where are you getting this from? What I said was relating to your statement, in which you said this fight isn't 100% and can't be resolved via logic, which basically means all threads like this throughout this forum and others must apparently be flawed in a similar manner, since they too rely on evidence to prove a fight that is never 100%.


....don't see that exactly....As fo the thread being "Who would win more often" yes I ahve to go with Superman there..but shouldn't the real topic be to determine how the two characters compare?

Make your own Compare Goku and Supes thread. That's what that is for. This (A versus forum) is to determine the WINNER.


Yes, and I never said he couldn't reach light Speed (or close to it) I actually agree with that..Superman is fast nod oubt aboot it..he's jsut slower than Flash and not nearly 8 times the speed of light.....1.00000000001 times max....

Proof of this? Also, if he can escape the gravity of two blackholes, this requires speed well in excess of the speed of light, since light itself cannot escape... a point which you failed to address and others have also ignored because it looks really really bad for their side.


Surviving Kamehame Has.....Surviving Ki Blasts destroying the earth...being able to destroy Solar Systems....speed not being determinable......enought to have reasonable doubt in my opinion.

Subject, verb, predicate. Work with that.

In any case, where you have a reasonable doubt (And a clear bias) people who adhere to LOGIC (Read: the foundation of reason and debate universally) have named Supes the winner as of current. Your doubt is privtae; logic dictates that Supes wins.


Cause you Creshnok and others do a very good job argueing his side...not much to argue for him..especially since my Superman Knowledge except for JLA and Batman/Superman is at least outdated by 5 years.

This is your problem. Educate yourself and then reevaluate the situation. Earlier, I was quoting what I recalled from DBZ, a show I haven't seen in seven years. I went back and researched my info, found out what was inaccurate and corrected it. I haven't seen one DBZ supporter do that with similar Superman knowledge or lack thereof.


I am neuther ....I am not neutrality nor a I a fanboy..I argue my side as I believe it jsut like you do..

You meant neutral, not neuter. If you were neuter, you would be sexless, although I won't remove that as a possibility.

In any case, having a side distinctly makes you NOT neutral. Look up neutral.


like jinzinn like Creshnok...like everybody on here....I have no suiperior standing or anything...I am debating with thee same pretenses as you do.

Pretenses? Uh huh.

Operating under a pretense means you are fooling people with a facade... Only person I see here doing that is you.


No I love Dragonball..I am a fan of the show..and yes I am not a big fan of Superman but I do not argue for the Dragonball side because I love them or hate Superman but because I believe they have a chance....

Well, I used to love DBZ to death (as did every friend I had) for a long time. Honestly? I'm not too huge a Supes fan. I used to think he was ridiculous for a long time... and boring. I was much more of a Marvel fan myself. And this has not affected my judgment here at all. Also, why argue if you think they "have a chance" when the purpose of the debate is to determine the one who will more likely than not win? Isn't this counterproductive?


Oh so you can determine the exact level of Power Dragonball Characters do have? I am curious now..just how much firce do you know does a Genkidama have?

Genki-Dama Power-Up:
Several thousand people: x 2
Small City (10's of thousands): x 5
Large Metropolis (couple million): x 10
Small Country (10's of millions): x 100
Large Country (100's of millions): x 1000
Small planet (billions): x 10.000
Solar System (100's of billions): x 100.000
Several Systems (Trillions): x 1.000.000

By the way, earth is the only inhabited planet in our solar system.


Ok, I guess I post for my own amusement then...better?

And ours as well, no doubt.


It is irrellevant indeed....although I don't agree that all I say is so flawed...

What are you refering to here?


Again I am not moderating..I am trying to give facts....I don't care whoever wins....a debate is not aboot winning..it is aboot finding the truth...it is hard if not impossible here....but I will state where I see logical faults....if you like it or not.

You know nothing about debating. This is evident. Look up evident.


Again I am not deciding which evidence is acceptable adn which isn*t (except for myself) I am jsut saying why I think it isn't....you don't have to agree with me...I just state why I belief something...

But when you disagree or call me out or call out something I see as clearly valid and sound, I will correct you, period.

Well it's kind of unjust to attack a foreigner just for his spelling....

No I didn't say that the Threads aren't flawed just that a conclusion to 100% is impossible and that the actual topics of these topics are how much more powerful is one to the other...or in what ration would fights end.

That'S not possible....since there is never ever a clear winner.....so that obviously cannot be the Topic of this thread.

The proof is that he is said to be slower than Flash who can only accelerate a little beyond Light-Speed. Do you know the exact Speed Superman would need to have to escape a Black Hole...and how exactly does he escape it...is it even a real Black Hole...I didn't read the story..I actually haven't seen him escaping either...I just saw the panel where he accelerated near light speed.

Subject, Verb, Predicate? Do you even know what you are talking aboot... or is this odd-man-out? I'd go for Verb then.....since that is a Word Form while the others are Parts of Sentences.....predicates are usually verbs by the way (oh and my sentences were quite understandable, I don't know if you have a problem with the En glish Language but I can understand it fairly well)

Not true...Logic dictates that Superman has a good chance.....not that he wins.....and again we have no knowledge of the actual feats of the DB Fighters at their high-end.

Oh my god..I misspelled..I didn't misspell it to Neuter by the way but to Neuther...a non-existant word....so please..stop picking at spelling mistakes...it doesn'tr make you seem any more knowledgable.
Oh and I didn't mean neutrla either..I meant "neither"...the "i" is rather close to the "u" ...can happen to anybody.

Yes..you are right, I used the wrod wrong...I meant prerequisite...not sure how that one happened...I guess it's late.

Again I don't see that as the topic of this thread but to determine what it is actually not who would win more times if they fought 101 times...well I used to like Superman very much but that stopped some years ago and I really loved DBZ but that too stopped years ago...but I do not think it influences my thinking here greatly.

There is no evidence at all for these numbers....

Good so we are all happy.

I know aboot debating and I know aboot unfair debating styles....oh and please let me decide which words I need to research.

And that is your right....that's how debating works..I have no problem with that.

Well it's kind of unjust to attack a foreigner just for his spelling....

You're right on this one. I apologize. I bet you'd be less than thrilled with my German.


No I didn't say that the Threads aren't flawed just that a conclusion to 100% is impossible and that the actual topics of these topics are how much more powerful is one to the other...or in what ration would fights end.

Again, we already know that 100% accuracy. And you just restated what I said before... What gives?


That'S not possible....since there is never ever a clear winner.....so that obviously cannot be the Topic of this thread.

Really? Never be a clear winner? Is this because Goku is involved, or do you really think like this? If this were me in a Sherman tank versus a pedastrian, is there no clear winner?


The proof is that he is said to be slower than Flash who can only accelerate a little beyond Light-Speed. Do you know the exact Speed Superman would need to have to escape a Black Hole...and how exactly does he escape it...is it even a real Black Hole...I didn't read the story..I actually haven't seen him escaping either...I just saw the panel where he accelerated near light speed.

Wow, you are missing the point- Supes survived, escaped, and lived after being in a blackhole. This implies endurance and speed far beyond what Goku is capable of... We already know that they are called blackholes because not even light can escape (Go look that up if you don't believe me) and Supes > blackhole x 2...

What the hell more do you need to be convinced? Akira Toriyama saying Supes can whup Buu and Goku?


Subject, Verb, Predicate? Do you even know what you are talking aboot... or is this odd-man-out? I'd go for Verb then.....since that is a Word Form while the others are Parts of Sentences.....predicates are usually verbs by the way (oh and my sentences were quite understandable, I don't know if you have a problem with the En glish Language but I can understand it fairly well)

First off, it's "about", not "aboot"... Unless you're secretly a Canadian.

Second:
pred路i路cate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prd-kt)
v. pred路i路cat路ed, pred路i路cat路ing, pred路i路cates
v. tr.
To base or establish (a statement or action, for example): I predicated my argument on the facts.
To state or affirm as an attribute or quality of something: The sermon predicated the perfectibility of humankind.
To carry the connotation of; imply.
Logic. To make (a term or expression) the predicate of a proposition.
To proclaim or assert; declare.

v. intr.
To make a statement or assertion.

n. (-kt)
Grammar. One of the two main constituents of a sentence or clause, modifying the subject and including the verb, objects, or phrases governed by the verb, as opened the door in Jane opened the door or is very sleepy in The child is very sleepy.
Logic. That part of a proposition that is affirmed or denied about the subject. For example, in the proposition We are mortal, mortal is the predicate.

adj. (-kt)
Grammar. Of or belonging to the predicate of a sentence or clause.
Stated or asserted; predicated.

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[Late Latin praedicre, praedict-, from Latin, to proclaim : prae-, pre- + dicre, to proclaim; see deik- in Indo-European Roots.]
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Not true...Logic dictates that Superman has a good chance.....not that he wins.....and again we have no knowledge of the actual feats of the DB Fighters at their high-end.

More ridiculous statements... Logic dictates who wins this fight more often than not based on evidence and reasoning thought. Don't argue semantics. And second, if you have no knowledge of actual feats of DB fighters "at their high-end", this is your problem to remedy or deal with, since you are pro-DBZ.


Oh my god..I misspelled..I didn't misspell it to Neuter by the way but to Neuther...a non-existant word....so please..stop picking at spelling mistakes...it doesn'tr make you seem any more knowledgable.
Oh and I didn't mean neutrla either..I meant "neither"...the "i" is rather close to the "u" ...can happen to anybody.

I know it can happen to anybody, but it happens in your posts all the time and it's annoying.


Yes..you are right, I used the wrod wrong...I meant prerequisite...not sure how that one happened...I guess it's late.

Yes, you got the "wrod" wrong... lmfao


Again I don't see that as the topic of this thread but to determine what it is actually not who would win more times if they fought 101 times...well I used to like Superman very much but that stopped some years ago and I really loved DBZ but that too stopped years ago...but I do not think it influences my thinking here greatly.

If your love for DBZ stopped years ago why do you now have a DBZ screen name? And seriously, stop mutilating my words already. Or should I say "wrods"?


There is no evidence at all for these numbers....

DBZ.net... Power levels. They're also in the series, etc.


Good so we are all happy.

Ecstatic.


I know aboot debating and I know aboot unfair debating styles....oh and please let me decide which words I need to research.

Fallacy.


And that is your right....that's how debating works..I have no problem with that.

On the contrary.... You can't debate yourself out of a paper bag.

Ok I will jsut leave your in sults and that behgind and come right to the point. I thought aboot it...and I agree with you...Superman wins the fight...

I won't respond to soe of the points I disagree since it would just go on and on....if you are into considering debates a competition you can consider this a win......

I didn't think you could combat any of that. Adios, Bardock.