Superman vs. Hulk

BLAH BLAH BLAH ....IF DC hereos strength levels were so much more why is it that thay dont kill a marvel hero when they land a blow ? face it 100 tons in dc is 100 tons in marvel the speed of light is the same in both ,and like u said "The only reason superman got beat down by Shazam is because Shazam was hitting him with his lightning bolts which are mystical and as everyone knows superman is weak against magic not to mention shazam has the speed of mercury "so lets put an end to thor cant beat superman. cause he controls lighting from his Magic HAMMER he can fly at the speed of light and he has unlimited strength, besides this board is not about who is stronger its a VS. BOARD and in a fight hulk and thor would beat superman cause like i said Superman would fight upclose to these 2 guys and that would be his "DOOM"

Finally...

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Hulk could beat Superman, doesn't that make Hulk cheesier than Superman?"

Well if they gave Hulk all of Superman's powers yes. Besides healing and being immune to diseases. All he has for offence is agility and strength. But to such a high degree that he'd win this match. He was created to be the strongest, that's his purpose. However in return for being bestowed such an accolade he has weakness that others have pointed out.

-AC

If he is overpowered because of a variety of powers or because of one or two over-the-top powers, what difference does it make? The result is still the same.

Not necessarily. Compare Thanos and Juggernaut.

I still say superman in the long run. even without his super speed, which evryone seems to have such a great disdain for. its blatantly obvious that supes is stronger than the hulk*waits in anticipation as someone brings up that mountain thing again*

no one is discounting that the hulk can go with supes but in the long run supes is going to take him. personally i believe that supes would make quick work of him before he gets mad enuff to reach his str level.

we all know that under optimum circumstances hulk starts at cl100, but superman remains at 40,000 constantly, and he would have already done away with him before he could pump that much adrenaline.

and even if superman wanted to fight cheap he could just burn his eyes w/heat vision and pulverize before they heal back or just freeze him with ice breath and before that split sec the hulk would take to break free just toss him in outerspace like everyone's been saying

finally someone sees the light

All of which you can see Superman putting to good use against Doomsday.

Or not.

But Doomsday starts at cl40,000 (more at this point). And throwing him into space would be useless. And as I pointed out, Doomsday can move almost as fast as Superman. But a superspeed fight is difficult to illistrate.

"no one is discounting that the hulk can go with supes but in the long run supes is going to take him. personally i believe that supes would make quick work of him before he gets mad enuff to reach his str level."

Saying it as if Hulk is a weasel when he isn't pumped up or that he couldn't keep in the fight long enough.

What's all this assumption that it would take long for him to get to the point of levelling or surpassing Supes for strength? In the fight against Abomination he went from normal Hulk and not wanting to fight, to getting mad enough to punch a hole in Abomination's head in a matter of seconds.

Also, why do you assume Hulk is either at class 100 or another set level? During the whole fight Superman's strength remains the same. Hulk will be charging up and channelling his rage that whole time. If you think Superman has Hulk covered on strength you really are sadly mistaken.

"and even if superman wanted to fight cheap he could just burn his eyes w/heat vision and pulverize before they heal back or just freeze him with ice breath and before that split sec the hulk would take to break free just toss him in outerspace like everyone's been saying"

Wait, if Superman with pure fists couldn't do anything match-winning to Hulk when he could see, why would it make any difference with no eyes? If anything it's gonna make things harder for Superman. The only thing worse than Hulk concentrating his rage onto one man is Hulk not concentrating at all. He's be flailing around and everything. Freezing Hulk with ice breath? Freezing.....The Incredible Hulk......with ice breath.....? You're totally serious? Well, ice is ice. If Ice-Man froze Hulk solid with ACTUAL ice and he broke out of it like a paper bag, then what would really cold breath do to him? It would do not thing.

"finally someone sees the light"

It's only you who is vehemently backing Superman with NO back up other than you suck the man off. Manjaro is at least bringing points.

You both however, count ALL of Superman's powers and conveniently dismiss many of Hulk's.

-AC

Where is it said that Doomsday has super speed?

Useless or not, Superman went down against him, that's why I think the concept of claiming he could dispatch Hulk with no fuss no muss is bizarre.

'But he just died because...'

No.

Where is it said that Doomsday has super speed?

In pretty much every Doomsday story.

'So fast...!!'

--Superman

Speaking of Doomsday, was it ever made clear whether he can be hurt by Kryptonite? Or if he gets power from the sun like Supes does?

The only thing Superman saying 'so fast' points to is that the concept of him being able to act at superspeed is ridiculous.

first of all i said for the split sec it takes hulk to break free. Sec its a known fact tha abomination stays at Cl100 no matter how mad he gets. just becuase you can lift a 100 that doesnt mean you cant get your face punched in. As far as the Superman doomsday thing. I think he deserved to die on that one b-cuz he's got that whole boy scout thing going and his solemn vow never to take a life. so the whole time he wasnt fighting Dooomsday with the intent of killing him. even though it turned out that he grossly underestimated him.

lets not forget the last encounter between Doomsday and superman when supes decided he wasnt afraid of him anymore and Doomsday landed a punch square in his chest and it didnt even even phase him.

dont get me wrong im not gonna give you a whole "its people like you..." speech but people who refuse to accept Superman's superiorty,especially over the hulk is merely saying that becuase

a. its fun to disagree with others
b. every crossover between the two were poorly written and now I've found out van voted.

all in all superman all the way

No one capable of travelling at or beyond light speed like so many of you claim Superman can, would ever think anyone was "so fast". Even if he thought he was faster than expected, he wouldn't say "so fast" unless he was actually providing a problem with his speed (Doomsday).

-AC

"Sec its a known fact tha abomination stays at Cl100 no matter how mad he gets. just becuase you can lift a 100 that doesnt mean you cant get your face punched in. "

Read what I wrote. I was using it as an example that Hulk can go from CL100 to much much much higher in seconds. He proved it in that fight.

"a. its fun to disagree with others
b. every crossover between the two were poorly written and now I've found out van voted."

A) I disagree if I don't agree.
B) 1999 Hulk Vs Superman was Marvel/DC Co-written. Not fan voted.

"As far as the Superman doomsday thing. I think he deserved to die on that one b-cuz he's got that whole boy scout thing going and his solemn vow never to take a life. so the whole time he wasnt fighting Dooomsday with the intent of killing him. "

Let's get this correct and stop making a bunch of excuses for Superman dying. You honestly think that after Doomsday blazed a trail of destruction, near enough killing Superman's friends, he chased after him to give him a talking to? No. He chased after Doomsday to fight him, to stop him and to kill him. Vowing to never take the life of a man mugging a lady is one thing. Claiming that he applied that to Doomsday is completely ludacrous.

-AC

dude oh...my...god! the main example i can give is the graphic novel trial of superman. if you dont know the story its basically superman is put on trial by an intergalactic tribunal who take the law too far. anyway, skip ahead skip ahead. the cyborg superman got caught up in the mix and wanted to use the tribunals planet to make a new war world Superman could have killed him so many times but noooooooo. the cyborg was whoopin ass and demolishing the planet left and right and superman could have destroyed him but noooo. He even said something to the effect of I know he's my enemy but i cant let him die. finally somebody had to send the cyborg sprialling into a black hole.

that's just one of a few examples of the boy scout attiude. take into account how many times Darksied has perpetrated evil upon the earth. he could have destroyed him too but noooooo lets send him and his minions packing to another thier boomtube

how many times have we seen instances where he could have destryoed powerful beings but instead banished them to some place far away.

the thing is superman could easily spare the earth a whole lot of invasions and or attempts of destruction if he just kills pppl. but noooo he cant take a life so he rather just banish them somewhere so that they can plot revenge and try again.

*ahem* anyway he still beats the hulk.

Wait, so doing the right thing makes you seem like a wuss, and gets you called a boy scout?? I see taking a life doesn't have the same effect nowadays as it used to.

Even after Waverider took Doomsday to the end of time, Superman asked him, 'Was it really nessesary to kill him?'

Well even then it's detrimental to Superman isn't it?

Just so you don't think it's JUST me saying it, I'll show you why.

If it's Hulk Vs Superman. Hulk isn't gonna be bothered about taking the life. It's Superman's powers and good nature that would eventually cost him this fight.

This is about in a fight, who would win out of Hulk and Superman. Far more points to Hulk. Even when it comes down to straight combat. As I have proven.

But to each their own.

-AC