Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Yeah but he'd have to get mad enough to peform the feats that Pre-Crisis Superman did.Maybe the Hulk is the strongest one there is now,but I can't really say because I haven't read any of the new Superman and Hulk comic books as of yet but the feats I've seen from both of them(in the past comic books) are quite impressive and one thing can be said about the Hulk,he won't give up until he wins(if he can win).But now I'm thinking,the Grey Hulk is weaker than the Savage Hulk and his healing factor is slower so he'd definitely lose against Superman.

Of course. You're right on all accounts.

Are you being sarcastic?

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Are you being sarcastic?

No, you are right. Seriously.

Just checking.

I honestly think that the Mindless Hulk is similar to Pre-Crisis Superman because he is uber powerful(the strongest incarnation of the Hulk...EVER) and he doesn't even talk.

Cosmic Cube,how much can the Hulk lift now in the ultimate comic books?I heard he could lift 15 tons.

Hulk would do Hulk smash and kill Supes.💃

Not.

well in the dk book of Hulk guide it was stated that ultimate hulk could lift 50 tons

Pre-Crisis Superman would be able to go back in time and kill Anyone just as they were being born. I suppose that means he can beat any entity that is weaker than himself and have weaker Parents and/or Guardians as they were being born. It's not an illogical thought. It means that Pre-Crisis superman can kill a very long list of superheroes. Since Superman Prime is just as - if not more powerful than Pre-Crisis Superman then I suppose the same would apply to him. Seeing that Superman Prime is Superman's Eventual form then Superman Prime would ensure the continued existence of his past self. This would mean that whenever the current Superman is in trouble then Superman Prime would be hell-bent to ultimately save himself and destory the threat and do what it takes to protect his past existence.

Knowing fully well that his fight with Doomsday would not render him non-existent there was no need for him to return and destroy Doomsday. Maybe Prime did return to set things in motion that would lead to Superman's revival after his apparent Death. Who knows? There was no need for him to make his pesence known, maybe even more a need to protect the knowledge of his presence in this era. He would have chosen to affect time as little as possible. Superman's life would eventually lead to the saviour that is Prime and part of protecting Superman would be to protect the life that he has already lived that has made him what he is.

Superman Prime's Equals are the Gods. Hence, Superman's Equals are the Gods. Everything else is just a toy.

Pre-Crisis Superman:

Intelligence: He is super-genius of the highest order, master of the sciences, able to whip up technological marvels with ease and is a great tactician - coming up with plans on the fly.

Strength: Superman has shown the strength to move multiple worlds at the same time with no effort, has resisted the gravitational pull of a Black Hole, has been shown to punch a spaceship clean out of the solar-system with one blow and create a miniature sun with the pure crushing pressure of his bare hands.

Speed: Superman can fly across the universe in hyper-space with ease, having shown himself capable of flying between galaxies in seconds. In true-space, he is able to break the light barrier and react at faster than light speeds. His reaction times can be measured in the 1000ths of a seconds or less.

Durability: Is to all intents and purposes completely invulnerable. He has survived the crushing pressure at the heart of a Black Hole totally unharmed. Has survived ground zero of nuclear and anti-matter exposions totally unharmed. Can withstand any temperature or pressure changes. Is immune to matter manipulation or disease. The only way to penetrate his invulnerability is with:

a) Magic - which completely bypasses his forcefield and affects him as any normal human. His strength and durability do not work against magically imbued materials.
b) KNite - this radiation causes agonising pain and debilitation to Superman.
c) Red Sunlight - depending on the intensity of the light, this can weaken Superman's invulnerability or even remove his powers outright.

Once he is removed from the influence of magic, KNite or Red Sunlight his powers restore completely and instantly.

Other Powers: Can fly at FTL speeds, can turn invisible and intangible, can teleport instantaneously, can move through time and dimensions, can throw/punch objects through time, can appear in several places at once, has super-hearing, telescopic vision, micro-vision, x-ray vision, can see any electromagnetic radiation, can change the intensity of light rays by looking at them, can create thunderclaps and earthquakes - can manipulate the direction of the earthquakes psionically, has super-scent, has super-breath capable of snuffing out stars and freezing objects, has super-hypnotism, super-ventriloquism.

This is one reason no one uses Pre-Crisis Superman versus anyone.Superman is my all time favorite superhero but why match Pre-Crisis Superman with anyone?He's downright unbeatable,every bit of evidence shows it.

Just for the record, though PC Superman can move through time easily, he cannot go back in time and kill someone when they're a baby unless they're older than him. 🙂

He cannot be at a point in time where he already exists.

If he went back in time, say, ten seconds - he would already exist on that time-frame.

He would become an invisible, intangible Phantom and only be able to observe things taking place.

If he went to a period of time that he doesn't already exist in - ie before he was born - then he could indeed affect things.

🙂

Interesting......

Originally posted by Theisos
Pre-Crisis Superman would be able to go back in time and kill Anyone just as they were being born. I suppose that means he can beat any entity that is weaker than himself and have weaker Parents and/or Guardians as they were being born. It's not an illogical thought. It means that Pre-Crisis superman can kill a very long list of superheroes. Since Superman Prime is just as - if not more powerful than Pre-Crisis Superman then I suppose the same would apply to him. Seeing that Superman Prime is Superman's Eventual form then Superman Prime would ensure the continued existence of his past self. This would mean that whenever the current Superman is in trouble then Superman Prime would be hell-bent to ultimately save himself and destory the threat and do what it takes to protect his past existence.

Knowing fully well that his fight with Doomsday would not render him non-existent there was no need for him to return and destroy Doomsday. Maybe Prime did return to set things in motion that would lead to Superman's revival after his apparent Death. Who knows? There was no need for him to make his pesence known, maybe even more a need to protect the knowledge of his presence in this era. He would have chosen to affect time as little as possible. Superman's life would eventually lead to the saviour that is Prime and part of protecting Superman would be to protect the life that he has already lived that has made him what he is.

Superman Prime's Equals are the Gods. Hence, Superman's Equals are the Gods. Everything else is just a toy.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
This is one reason no one uses Pre-Crisis Superman versus anyone.Superman is my all time favorite superhero but why match Pre-Crisis Superman with anyone?He's downright unbeatable,every bit of evidence shows it.

Agreed. At the peak of his writer's euphoria, Pre-crisis Superman would be virtually undefeatable. However, he was wildly inconsistant, and he has been beaten in the past. But, I agree with the notion.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Agreed. At the peak of his writer's euphoria, Pre-crisis Superman would be virtually undefeatable. However, he was wildly inconsistant, and he has been beaten in the past. But, I agree with the notion.

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Yup.

Take his worst showings and anyone with a magic feather duster could beat him.

Take his best showings and no-one at all could beat him.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
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Yup.

Take his worst showings and anyone with a magic feather duster could beat him.

Take his best showings and no-one at all could beat him.

Agreed 100%.

I’m a huge Hulk fan, but even I know he’d lose to Superman. But beyond that, I have a question. I already know about Hulk getting stronger and more durable as his anger grows. I’ve also read in a few Hulk comics from way back that he gets a boost in speed as well, but this is offset by his “inertial mass” which, and please bear with me, means that his increasing strength coupled with his also increasing speed could cause Hulk to accidentally propel himself into the air just by trying to run too fast. As I see it, the thing is he’s either too strong, or too “light”. I understand that Superman will still have a speed advantage over Hulk, I'm not arguing that. But I'd like to know could Hulk move faster than usual if he somehow weighed more?

Just wondering.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I highly doubt that Superman Prime is more powerful than Pre-crisis Superman. Simply for the reason that Pre-crisis Superman could do whatever his crazy writers wanted him to do. You can't exactly 'gauge' that kind of power. It's beyond 'limitless;' it's like being a cartoon character. Superman Prime doesn't have that same luxury. He is bound by the force of reason, so I doubt we'll ever see him closing a black hole or the like, unless he possesses some sort of reality warping abilities.

Yep,Superman Prime is stronger than Pre-Crisis Superman because Superman Prime stayed inside of the sun for 15,000 years and came out compeltely gold.He was also completely invulnerable to magic and Kryptonite and he brought Lois Lane back to life.

great googly moogly........this thread is still going freaking strong? 😑 🤨