Originally posted by IssacFrost
Amazing how many Superman fanboys post something inane with no evidence whatsoever to backup their statements. Furthermore it is quite humurous that most of these people think Superman is still in his pre-crisis form when his current version is quite weaker than Superboy Prime.
It wasn't anyone on the Superman side making "low skyfather" claims...
Originally posted by cdtm_
It wasn't anyone on the Superman side making "low skyfather" claims...
The majority seem to be on Superman's side. And all they post is a variation of "Superman wins." Im pretty sure they have no idea of how powerful Hulk truly is.
Hulk has quite a great deal of strength feats under his belt:
•Supporting a 150 billion ton mountain.
•Ripping through a bunker designed to withstand an explosion of thousands of megatons in magnitude.
•Almost breaking East Coast and threating to break the whole planet by the mere output of force from his body.
•Holding together the tectonic plates of a planet.
•Pushing spheres of matter and antimatter apart.
•Destroying an asteroid twice the size of Earth with a single punch due especially to his physical toughness and to the impulse generated by the contraction of his legs.
•With the vast energy becoming work, overcoming a power-depleting machine which contained much of the combined power of himself, the Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer and Namor.
•Holding together the space-time structure to impede the Defenders of being sucked into a fissure.
•Smashing materials of adamantium.
•Breaking the space-time continuum.
•Destroying Crypto Man after he was boasted with a physical strength above Thor's.
•Overpowering Thor.
•Ripping out a pretty powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials.
•Cracking Onslaught's armor (who was at least Celestial level in power), and to send concussive energy throughout countless planets due mostly to his power.
He has demobstrated insane durability:
•Withstanding _maximized heat without blistering, maximized cold without freezing, and great impacts.
•Withstood the impact of a ground zero nuclear explosion.
•Take the Human Torch's Nova Blast, with a temperature of one million degrees Fahrenheit, without any injury._
•Withstand a planet-devastating impact near of the event and a planet-shattering impact at point blank range.
•Whistand a mighty blast from Galactus.
He can regenerate practically anything thrown at him:
•During a battle with Vector all of the skin and much of the muscle mass of the Hulk were destroyed. It took the Hulk moments to regain the mass and be completely healed.
So I want to know how exactly can Superman win._Superman is no longer as powerful as he was in post-crisis. His invulnerability can be bypassed by someone with brutal strength. Green Scar persona isn't an idiotic persona like Savage; he is cunning a capable strategist not to mention he is more powerful than all the other personas and as evidenced from World War Hulk his rage needs no charging, he just flips out.
Superman has the advantage of flight and light speed. But Hulk has much more staying power than people here credit him for, not to mention his strength has no limits and his durability and regeneration become even more insane as he becomes more enraged. And no Hulk has no limitations to how enraged he can get. What stops him has always been Bruce Banner's subconscious.
Originally posted by IssacFrostSo I want to know how exactly can Superman win._Superman is no longer as powerful as he was in post-crisis. His invulnerability can be bypassed by someone with brutal strength. Green Scar persona isn't an idiotic persona like Savage; he is cunning a capable strategist not to mention he is more powerful than all the other personas and as evidenced from World War Hulk his rage needs no charging, he just flips out.
I still dnt understand how Hulk can even touch Supes, if Supes does not want to be touched. And its not like he's just got speed. Its not like Hulk only needs to hit him once..
The guy can move planets! He's flown through a Red Sun! He's defeated Super Boy Prime while being surrounded by Kryptonite.
Has a limit ever been shown to Superman's strength? I mean has there ever been a strength feat he couldn't do?
So the Hulk would need to give Supes a hell of a beating to defeat him. How exactly Hulk is going to get enough shots to give Supes this beating is beyond me.
On the other hand Supes can lay as many punches on him as he needs to. And if worst comes to worst can always BFR him.
Originally posted by IssacFrost
Superman has the advantage of flight and light speed.
Your saying that like Light Speed is nothing.. Do you have any idea how fast LS is. Hulk could never even know Supes was there if he was moving at Light Speed!!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I still dnt understand how Hulk can even touch Supes, if Supes does not want to be touched. And its not like he's just got speed. Its not like Hulk only needs to hit him once..The guy can move planets! He's flown through a Red Sun! He's defeated Super Boy Prime while being surrounded by Kryptonite.
Has a limit ever been shown to Superman's strength? I mean has there ever been a strength feat he couldn't do?
So the Hulk would need to give Supes a hell of a beating to defeat him. How exactly Hulk is going to get enough shots to give Supes this beating is beyond me.
On the other hand Supes can lay as many punches on him as he needs to. And if worst comes to worst can always BFR him.
Your saying that like Light Speed is nothing.. Do you have any idea how fast LS is. Hulk could never even know Supes was there if he was moving at Light Speed!!
The way that Hulk can touch Supes is the same way Shaggyman, Despero, and Grundy touched Supes.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER_
I still dnt understand how Hulk can even touch Supes, if Supes does not want to be touched. And its not like he's just got speed. Its not like Hulk only needs to hit him once..The guy can move planets! He's flown through a Red Sun! He's defeated Super Boy Prime while being surrounded by Kryptonite._
Has a limit ever been shown to Superman's strength? I mean has there ever been a strength feat he couldn't do?
So the Hulk would need to give Supes a hell of a beating to defeat him. How exactly Hulk is going to get enough shots to give Supes this beating is beyond me._
On the other hand Supes can lay as many punches on him as he needs to. And if worst comes to worst can always BFR him.
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Your saying that like Light Speed is nothing.. Do you have any idea how fast LS is. Hulk could never even know Supes was there if he was moving at Light Speed!!
This fight is a stalemate. Read the posts I wrote. Hulk can tank Superman's punches and soak whatever damage may come. Hulk does not have to charge up his rage and he has no bounds to it unless Banner stops him._
When he found out Miek betrayed him he flipped out and became so enraged that his unwilling energy was destroying the planet. And this was after he fought Sentry for days. Which means Hulk has no limits nor really tires at all nor needs time to rest/recharge himself.
Arm'cheddon configured himself to channel Hulk's energy to become as strong as Hulk whenever Hulk became stronger. Arm'Cheddon still got killed when he hit She Red Hulk and Hulk in a rage killed him. Again this shows his rage does not require to charge up.
And it doesn't matter if Superman is stronger at the beginning of the fight. Hulk doesn't need a couple of days to reach Superman's level of strength either. Hulk has taken with no damage planet shattering impacts which is what Superman dishes out, which means he will easily tank Superman's blows. And if damaged regenerate it like it was nothing.
On the other hand Superman does not only have light speed he has Flash like reaction time and reflexes, "teleport" like speed as well as superior mobility, and he does not lose power in the force of his blows when he moves at light speed allowing him to deliver an insane amount of planet shattering impacts before Hulk knows what hit him. And of course he doesn't have to take a single punch because of his Flash like reaction time and reflexes he can dodge with ease and furthermore if he does get hit he has invulnerability and if that fails superhuman durability that befits him and can tank Hulk's blows. However this Superman doesn't have unlimited strength like his post crisis version. He actually can get exhausted. But since he can move at light speed and fly he can take a few minutes to go to the Sun and charge up and return into the fight with relative ease.
I give Superman the advantage of winning perhaps by attrition. But then again Hulk never really tires it's Banner who has to put the plug on him because he is afraid of what happens when Hulk flips out. At any rate best case scenario for Superman is that Hulk gets so enraged his energies alone destroys the planet they are standing on leaving Hulk floating helplessly in space where Superman can proceed to kick the living tar out of him 😛
Originally posted by IssacFrost
_The majority seem to be on Superman's side. And all they post is a variation of "Superman wins." Im pretty sure they have no idea of how powerful Hulk truly is.
Hulk has quite a great deal of strength feats under his belt:
•Supporting a 150 billion ton mountain.•Ripping through a bunker designed to withstand an explosion of thousands of megatons in magnitude.
•Almost breaking East Coast and threating to break the whole planet by the mere output of force from his body.
•Holding together the tectonic plates of a planet.
•Pushing spheres of matter and antimatter apart.
•Destroying an asteroid twice the size of Earth with a single punch due especially to his physical toughness and to the impulse generated by the contraction of his legs.
•With the vast energy becoming work, overcoming a power-depleting machine which contained much of the combined power of himself, the Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer and Namor.
•Holding together the space-time structure to impede the Defenders of being sucked into a fissure.
•Smashing materials of adamantium.
•Breaking the space-time continuum.
•Destroying Crypto Man after he was boasted with a physical strength above Thor's.
•Overpowering Thor.
•Ripping out a pretty powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials.
•Cracking Onslaught's armor (who was at least Celestial level in power), and to send concussive energy throughout countless planets due mostly to his power.
He has demobstrated insane durability:
•Withstanding _maximized heat without blistering, maximized cold without freezing, and great impacts.•Withstood the impact of a ground zero nuclear explosion.
•Take the Human Torch's Nova Blast, with a temperature of one million degrees Fahrenheit, without any injury._
•Withstand a planet-devastating impact near of the event and a planet-shattering impact at point blank range.
•Whistand a mighty blast from Galactus.
He can regenerate practically anything thrown at him:
•During a battle with Vector all of the skin and much of the muscle mass of the Hulk were destroyed. It took the Hulk moments to regain the mass and be completely healed.So I want to know how exactly can Superman win._Superman is no longer as powerful as he was in post-crisis. His invulnerability can be bypassed by someone with brutal strength. Green Scar persona isn't an idiotic persona like Savage; he is cunning a capable strategist not to mention he is more powerful than all the other personas and as evidenced from World War Hulk his rage needs no charging, he just flips out.
Superman has the advantage of flight and light speed. But Hulk has much more staying power than people here credit him for, not to mention his strength has no limits and his durability and regeneration become even more insane as he becomes more enraged. And no Hulk has no limitations to how enraged he can get. What stops him has always been Bruce Banner's subconscious.
u gave carver a wood with this post
Originally posted by IssacFrost
_This fight is a stalemate. Read the posts I wrote. Hulk can tank Superman's punches and soak whatever damage may come. Hulk does not have to charge up his rage and he has no bounds to it unless Banner stops him._
When he found out Miek betrayed him he flipped out and became so enraged that his unwilling energy was destroying the planet. And this was after he fought Sentry for days. Which means Hulk has no limits nor really tires at all nor needs time to rest/recharge himself.
Arm'cheddon configured himself to channel Hulk's energy to become as strong as Hulk whenever Hulk became stronger. Arm'Cheddon still got killed when he hit She Red Hulk and Hulk in a rage killed him. Again this shows his rage does not require to charge up.
And it doesn't matter if Superman is stronger at the beginning of the fight. Hulk doesn't need a couple of days to reach Superman's level of strength either. Hulk has taken with no damage planet shattering impacts which is what Superman dishes out, which means he will easily tank Superman's blows. And if damaged regenerate it like it was nothing.
On the other hand Superman does not only have light speed he has Flash like reaction time and reflexes, "teleport" like speed as well as superior mobility, and he does not lose power in the force of his blows when he moves at light speed allowing him to deliver an insane amount of planet shattering impacts before Hulk knows what hit him. And of course he doesn't have to take a single punch because of his Flash like reaction time and reflexes he can dodge with ease and furthermore if he does get hit he has invulnerability and if that fails superhuman durability that befits him and can tank Hulk's blows. However this Superman doesn't have unlimited strength like his post crisis version. He actually can get exhausted. But since he can move at light speed and fly he can take a few minutes to go to the Sun and charge up and return into the fight with relative ease.
I give Superman the advantage of winning perhaps by attrition. But then again Hulk never really tires it's Banner who has to put the plug on him because he is afraid of what happens when Hulk flips out. At any rate best case scenario for Superman is that Hulk gets so enraged his energies alone destroys the planet they are standing on leaving Hulk floating helplessly in space where Superman can proceed to kick the living tar out of him 😛
If ANY fight with Hulk lasts too long then Hulk is most likely not losing. This is a supreme fact. If Hulk is to be beat then it must be within a reasonable time period. Now Superman has many ways to beat Hulk in seconds. The problem is that his character would make him not do those things in the beginning. The things I'm referring to is uppercutting Hulk into space, comboing him to ko, hv through the brain, using pressure points attacks, vibrating through him, etc.
In a comic, this will be a fight. But in a forum this is not quite a good fight. The speed issue alone prevents that. Superman not only starts stronger than the Hulk (has feats over 50 Earth weights of force) but has every other attribute greater than that of Hulk's (except HF).
Hulk has been beaten several times in comics and by beings far less powerful and slower than Superman.
Personally, I don't know why this thread went on this long. It is clear that Superman takes a majority. Now Superman clean sweeping is another story. But everyone with a rational mind should agree he takes at least a slight majority.
Lastly, if I knew the only way my character could win (or not lose) is for the other character to be limited by CIS then I still won't be happy. For I know deep down inside my heart that the other character has the tools to put my character down if he/she REALLY WANTED TO.