Superman vs. Hulk

So carver what happens when a being capable of lifting 50 million tons (according to you that's superman's limit cauz he grunted lifting a pyramid despite of much greater feats) punches hulk at 2000 mps (according to you that's superman's speed limit despite numerous feats presented to you in the past you won't believe even if writer himself contacted you). Do you know how much force that one punch will carry, 160000000000000 tons so if you think hulk can tank several of those punces unharmed he can defeat superman. I have read old threads of kmc and man are you consistent? According to you Wonder Woman, black adam, captain marvel, and all other high heralds in dc can take superman for majority oddly except green lantern and orion. In marvel Silver surfer, thor, beta ray bill, king hyperion, gladiator, wwh and all high heralds and nova, black bolt, magneto, classic apocalypse and half the mid herald category can take him for a majority and those who can't take him would make him work hard for a victory like wonder man. I wonder if kmc should list him in low level mid herald category. Man your holy crusade of proving hulk>>>>superman, gladiator>>>>>>>>superman, king hyperion>>>>>>>>>superman is admirable to say at the least (should I add some more >>>>>>>😉.

Originally posted by carver9
. The race they had before that, they were only moving at 2000 mps and Superman was trying to grab him with everything he had.

Only??

Dude thats almost 10,000 times the speed of sound!! Even if we're kind enough to say Hulk can move 5 times faster than sound with his super human speeds thats still TWO THOUSAND TIMES Slower than that recorded running speed of Supes!

Originally posted by carver9
The way that Hulk can touch Supes is the same way Shaggyman, Despero, and Grundy touched Supes.

Yeah but thats just PIS.. Thats Supes clearly not going all out with his speed.. The forum rules say he will use his speed.. Unless your argument is Supes COULD blitz Hulk but Will Not Chose To Do So.

Superman will ko hulk with the same ease as doc ock did. It feels good to lowball someone.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, it did state that their speed was increasing but I'm going by the only quote that was giving during that race which is still hellava fast.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So carver what happens when a being capable of lifting 50 million tons (according to you that's superman's limit cauz he grunted lifting a pyramid despite of much greater feats) punches hulk at 2000 mps (according to you that's superman's speed limit despite numerous feats presented to you in the past you won't believe even if writer himself contacted you). Do you know how much force that one punch will carry, 160000000000000 tons.

I do hope there is a math behind that result you have there.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, it did state that their speed was increasing but I'm going by the only quote that was giving during that race which is still hellava fast.

So you know he can move at more than 2000 mps. Any one has more on Superman vs Flash on speed and racing? Let's try to get a frame on how fast Superman can move. At any rate Carver don't tell me then that it is hard for Superman to hit Hulk with that kind of speed. So unless Hulk has shown he can "track" high speed movement such as "teleport-like speed" you can't tell me Hulk can keep up with Superman because for this fight there is no writer dumbing Superman's speed for a "brick".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman will ko hulk with the same ease as doc ock did. It feels good to lowball someone.

You must be referring to a non current Hulk because Sentry with all his power "one million exploding suns" was unable to knock him out. Same goes with everyone that faced him in World War Hulk. Do you have a scan of this event?

Originally posted by carver9
This type of argument isn't helping you because Superman has also had the same type of issues that Hulk has had against people in Wolverine tier (example, Slade and Batman)

Batman is NOT on a tier with Wolverine. He will easily kick the crap out of Wolverine, Superman, and Hulk at the same time without breaking much of a sweat. True Story 😛

Originally posted by h1a8
Carver you just got to stop low balling characters and high balling your characters. If a character has several feats that are far greater than the one you use then you have no business mentioning those feats as evidence. We all know Superman can go faster than light.
We know flash can too.

Is there evidence about Superman going faster than light? Because comics seem to depict a different story:

The Flash does successfully beat Superman in a race in Adventures of Superman #463 with the explanation that Superman is not accustomed to running at high speed for extended periods of time since flying is more versatile and less strenuous, which means the far more practiced Flash has the advantage. After Final Crisis in Flash: Rebirth #3 the Flash is shown as being much faster than Superman, easily outstripping him as Superman tries to keep up with him. He claims that those times that the races between them were close were "for charity".

Originally posted by IssacFrost
Is there evidence about Superman going faster than light? Because comics seem to depict a different story:

Do the math 50000000 tons x 2000x1.6x1000 meters.

Flash:rebirth is just a high showing for flash and it was at the time when barry became black flash so he was amped. Superman has intercepted and reacted to speedblitz from zoom in return of bruce wayne where thawne commented that his speed is nearly equal to his own. Superman and flash has always been depicted as peers in speed and it's one of the most famous rivalries in comics alongside superman/captain marvel and thor/hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash:rebirth is just a high showing for flash and it was at the time when barry became black flash so he was amped. Superman has intercepted and reacted to speedblitz from zoom in return of bruce wayne where thawne commented that his speed is nearly equal to his own. Superman and flash has always been depicted as peers in speed and it's one of the most famous rivalries in comics alongside superman/captain marvel and thor/hulk.

Well then from stalemate I'm leaning more towards Superman having a victory. With that kind of speed and a strength that is around perhaps 1M tons just starting out and assuming a non restricted all outs Superman using his speed than he is bound to severely mess up Hulk because Hulk won't be able to touch him specifically if he uses Flash's vibration ability. Problem is can he tell when Hulk is really dead? Because otherwise Hulk would be back. Unless it's a who falls down first kind of fight rather than who can't get back up kind of brawl(?)

Why are we arguing who's faster between Superman or Flash? Flash is clearly faster.

This is Hulk vs Superman, and Hulk sure as hell isn't faster than Flash either. Superman doesn't need to be faster than Flash, only faster than Hulk..

Superman has soul vision.

Originally posted by cdtm
Why are we arguing who's faster between Superman or Flash? Flash is clearly faster.

This is Hulk vs Superman, and Hulk sure as hell isn't faster than Flash either. Superman doesn't need to be faster than Flash, only faster than Hulk..

It came up because Carver mentioned Superman's inability to travel at speed of light, which was related to my speed argument on how Superman would defeat Hulk easily due to the latter's lack of super human reflexes/reaction.

Even near the end, nearly dropping from exhaustion, Flash and Superman were tied, until they finally returned to the stadium where they began... and Flash won by inches.

Which means Hulk would be "frozen" to Superman's point of view because he can move as fast as Flash. Unless Flash wasn't running light speed but even at 2000 meter per seconds how hard will it be for Superman to move from ten feet in front of Hulk to ten feet behind him if he can move at 2000 meter per seconds and have the reaction time and reflexes to move at that speed.

Originally posted by IssacFrost

Which means Hulk would be "frozen" to Superman's point of view because he can move as fast as Flash. Unless Flash wasn't running light speed but even at 2000 meter per seconds how hard will it be for Superman to move from ten feet in front of Hulk to ten feet behind him if he can move at 2000 meter per seconds and have the reaction time and reflexes to move at that speed.

Was Wally's house evacuation feat in the middle of an explosion around this time, or during the same power level? When his powers automatically kick in during his sleep as the explosion fireballs, and everything appears frozen?

It's supposed to be an old feat. I've only seen the scans, and don't even know what comic it happened in, which sucks because I want to read it..

I never said that Superman couldn't travel at the speed of light. I am about to end this debate about Hulk being unable to tag Superman. One sec.

If it's a scan of Hulk tagging someone as fast or faster than Superman, I don't think it was end the debate.

Considering Supermans been tagged by guys even slower than Hulk and all...

Originally posted by cdtm
If it's a scan of Hulk tagging someone as fast or faster than Superman, I don't think it was end the debate.

Considering Supermans been tagged by guys even slower than Hulk and all...

No, its q scan of Nova (who has the same exact fts that Superman has) and Northstar (who has legit combat showings of fighting at light speed) getting blitzed by a robot...BOTH OF THEM and they state that the robot is to fast for them. They get defeated, Hulk shows up and beat the hell out of this same robot that blitzed 2 speedster with comparable speed to Superman...and he beats it with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
No, its q scan of Nova (who has the same exact fts that Superman has) and Northstar (who has legit combat showings of fighting at light speed) getting blitzed by a robot...BOTH OF THEM and they state that the robot is to fast for them. They get defeated, Hulk shows up and beat the hell out of this same robot that blitzed 2 speedster with comparable speed to Superman...and he beats it with ease.

Carver allow me to show you what I originally posted again as a refresher:

Originally posted by IssacFrost
But Superman can and will move at light speed. How is Hulk going to keep up with that? He doesn't have reaction feats like Spiderman. And he has no way of seeing a light speed attack coming. Superman would be moving at 186,000 mps and he has the reaction to boot to him Hulk will look like a statue practically no movement at all because he is moving and reacting that fast.

I stated Superman would be moving at_186,000 mps where this would be moving at the speed of light.

To which you replied:

Originally posted by carver9
Show me a scan of him fighting that fast. If you show me, I will give Superman the majority in this fight._

Like I said before, Hulk has tagged speedsters. There will be no statues here.

You just implied that Superman does not move at 186,000 mps or you would give Superman majority. Or perhaps I misunderstood you? Although to me it sounds like a heavy implication, does it not to you?

Then you stated that Superman and Flash where racing at 2000 mps which was what was given in the comic to which PR made a comment that sounded a lot like you where trying to mislead the facts.

Flash can run at speed of light. So in these races was Flash holding back? Where they running at speed of light? Because otherwise 2000 mps is still damn fast for Hulk to react. We are talking 2000 meters per 1 second! And he is going to have trouble moving ten feet behind Hulk? I have trouble believing that.

Originally posted by IssacFrost
Carver allow me to show you what I originally posted again as a refresher:

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I stated Superman would be moving at_186,000 mps where this would be moving at the speed of light.

To which you replied:

You just implied that Superman does not move at 186,000 mps or you would give Superman majority. Or perhaps I misunderstood you? Although to me it sounds like a heavy implication, does it not to you?

Then you stated that Superman and Flash where racing at 2000 mps which was what was given in the comic to which PR made a comment that sounded a lot like you where trying to mislead the facts.

Flash can run at speed of light. So in these races was Flash holding back? Where they running at speed of light? Because otherwise 2000 mps is still damn fast for Hulk to react. We are talking 2000 meters per 1 second! And he is going to have trouble moving ten feet behind Hulk? I have trouble believing that.

I'm trying not to get in trouble for this topic but flying at light at fighting at light are 2 different things... one is more difficult than the other... a LOT more difficult. I dont even think Gladiator is capable of combating at light speed and he has "flown" 100 time the speed of light.

As for combat, here is Hulk keeping up with speed that light speedsters failed to keep up with.

Enjoy

Nova (Richard Ryder) is fighting a robot but it's too fast for him:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=monstertoofastfornova.jpg

Northstar arrives to help, but even with their combined speed they have trouble catching it:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=northstartagsmonster.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=northstarvsmonster.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=novanorthstarvsfastmonster.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=novanorthstarvsfastmonster1.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=novanorthstarvsfastmonster2.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=novanorthstarvsfastmonster3.jpg

Then the Hulk arrives and completely owns it:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=hulkspeed.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=hulkspeed1.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=hulkspeed2.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=hulkspeed3.jpg

Remember, Nova share the same type of speed fts that Supes has and Northstar has the best combat fts minus flash out of anycharacter on KMC imo.