Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by h1a8
He's saying that if Superman doesn't want to be touch then he won't.
He will definitely be touched in the beginning just to see how tough Hulk is. Hulk on the other hand will probably hold back a little because the banner in him doesn't want to kill either.

If Superman gets touched in the beginning of the fight, it is over. Hulk just destroyed a F..ing dimension just by colliding with someone and killed numerous of top tiers during the process. Supes has never faced anything physically on this level and taken punches from it.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman was amped when he punched Lobo out of orbit. How many times do I have to tell you this?

With that said, Superman was amped back then and then he became unamped and then he became reamped to current levels.

Current Superman is stronger than the amped Superman that hit Lobo into space. I calculated the feat and it doesn't come close to current Superman's top feats. So current Superman can as easily hit Hulk into space far easier than the amped Superman did against Lobo.

It's the easiest example to explain.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Jake, we aren't talking about flying from the sun and back or some shit. Not simply linear travel.

Superman and Flash have speed feats that are combat applicable even when they are not within combat contexts.

Superman being able to rebuild a city in seconds, means he's moving his arms back and forth who knows how many times within that time frame...maybe trillions.

Moves his arms back and forth = hand speed.

But...they just don't fight like that. 😬

It's possible that they could based on feats, but based on their character and how they actually fight in the comics they appear in, they don't.

That's the whole point of this argument.

I don't see how speed somehow gets a pass when it comes to battles. Superman punching someone trillions of times is about as likely as Thor just auto targeting someone with Mjolnir after throwing it far in excess of the speed of light. Or Thor ever losing or even being struck by an energy manipulator. Or Surfer devolving someone out of their powers.

It's the same thing.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's saying that if Superman doesn't want to be touch then he won't.
He will definitely be touched in the beginning just to see how tough Hulk is. Hulk on the other hand will probably hold back a little because the banner in him doesn't want to kill either.

Originally posted by h1a8
I calculated the feat

I'm sure.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You people aren't getting the difference in the magnitude of speed here.

Saying Hulk would be a statue to Superman when he's using his speed, is not an exaggeration by feats at all.

Hulk doesn't even have that safe of an argument for strength advantage. On the other hand Superman's advantage in speed is inarguable and absolute. You can't beat what you can't hit.

Characters get basic knowledge of each other. They fight to their demonstrated capabilities. Thus Superman blitzes. End of.

In a comic, Superman would win because he's Superman. But he'll pass out afterward so as to give Hulk some respect. In the forum, Superman does not realistically face any trouble.

And you can't win if you can't put the other guy down either. With the scans of Hulk's regeneration coupled with his durability I don't see Superman beating him either specifically if he is trying not to kill Hulk.

Originally posted by h1a8
Learn to read and stop ignoring peoples post. The Lobo incident came before Hunter Prey. That means Hunter Prey Superman was amped as well and DD is more powerful than you think.

With that said, Superman was amped back then and then he became unamped and then he became reamped to current levels.

Current Superman is stronger than the amped Superman that hit Lobo into space. I calculated the feat and it doesn't come close to current Superman's top feats. So current Superman can as easily hit Hulk into space far easier than the amped Superman did against Lobo.

Current Supes is not stronger than an amped Superman that had so much solar energy in him, he turned into the Hulk. This power up was beyond a sun dip.

Now again. Why bring up a ft when the character was amped?

Originally posted by carver9
If Superman gets touched in the beginning of the fight, it is over. Hulk just destroyed a F..ing dimension just by colliding with someone and killed numerous of top tiers during the process. Supes has never faced anything physically on this level and taken punches from it.

Second, Hulk has no reason to get mad enough to kill a fellow hero from another universe.

If Hulk were to be in kill mode and not holding back then it is only fair that Superman knows about it so that he can fight accordingly.

Originally posted by carver9
Current Supes is not stronger than an amped Superman that had so much solar energy in him, he turned into the Hulk. This power up was beyond a sun dip.

Now again. Why bring up a ft when the character was amped?

Superman was continuing to get stronger and stronger. That is why he was becoming Hulk like.

And Current Superman is stronger. We judge strength by feats, I don't know what you were thinking.

To end the argument, it takes less than planetary force to hit Hulk into space. Current Superman has multiple times planetary force. So he achieves hitting Hulk into space whether he is stronger than Lobo Superman or not.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But...they just don't fight like that. 😬

Who cares. They can easily do so.

That's the counterpoint.

Superman does not even have to give up his moral code or go 'all out' to be untouchable by Hulk, so its not even a case of saying the speed blitz tactics would have to negate their personalities or what not.

We know Superman turns it on when he has to. We know he still does not want to kill.

Arguing in character will only result in Hulk holding back on his initial punches, Superman taking them, and when they begin to get harder Superman will deduce Hulk's true threat level, turn on the speed, and simply WIN without getting touched from there on, ultimately KO'ing him but not killing him.

Superman not giving a f*ck ends it without getting touched once however. Banner won't even know he's in a fight. He'll just see a bright white light getting closer to him. 😎

Originally posted by h1a8
Show the scans or it didn't happen.

Second, Hulk has no reason to get mad enough to kill a fellow hero from another universe.

If Hulk were to be in kill mode and not holding back then it is only fair that Superman knows about it so that he can fight accordingly.

If you actually read comics you would know that it happened. I'm not showing you anything. Just know that Superman himself after that punch realized his amp as well.

Hulk just recently threatened his BEST FRIEND that if they didnt get out of the dimension by noon, that they were going to die. He WILL kill Superman. He wasnt lying when he said it because a couple of panels later, he destroys the dimension and kills every one on it.

Superman does not stand a chance in this fight.

Originally posted by IssacFrost
And you can't win if you can't put the other guy down either. With the scans of Hulk's regeneration coupled with his durability I don't see Superman beating him either specifically if he is trying not to kill Hulk.

Maybe, and that's very reasonable, but I could just as easily ask for demonstrations of Hulk not getting ko'd by punches as fast as the ones Superman would be throwing.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Who cares. They can easily do so.

That's the counterpoint.

Superman does not even have to give up his moral code or go 'all out' to be untouchable by Hulk, so its not even a case of saying the speed blitz tactics would have to negate their personalities or what not.

We know Superman turns it on when he has to. We know he still does not want to kill.

Arguing in character will only result in Hulk holding back on his initial punches, Superman taking them, and when they begin to get harder Superman will deduce Hulk's true threat level, turn on the speed, and simply WIN without getting touched from there on, ultimately KO'ing him but not killing him.

Superman not giving a f*ck ends it without getting touched once however. Banner won't even know he's in a fight. He'll just see a bright white light getting closer to him. 😎

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It's the easiest example to explain.

But you guys seem to be interested in a constructive debate about this all. So let me propose three different approaches to this superspeed blitz debate that nobody seems to be touching upon. Here's the first, which is reflected here:

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But...they just don't fight like that. 😬

It's possible that they could based on feats, but based on their character and how they actually fight in the comics they appear in, they don't.

That's the whole point of this argument.

I don't see how speed somehow gets a pass when it comes to battles. Superman punching someone trillions of times is about as likely as Thor just auto targeting someone with Mjolnir after throwing it far in excess of the speed of light. Or Thor ever losing or even being struck by an energy manipulator. Or Surfer devolving someone out of their powers.

It's the same thing.

... but that was like... twice, ever. And it still didn't result in Heimdall or Hulk/Namor getting pulped to an unrecognizable mess.

So how many people do you see b1tch about Thor winning 10/10 with this tactic? Anybody? Does it make sense to you why nobody would take it seriously based on how we see Thor fight on-panel? It does to me, considering I never see him actually pull off this super-pwnzerz Mjolnir superspeed blitz on anybody effectively for a near spiteful beatdown. Is that unfair of me? You have problems with that conclusion? If so, congratulations, you're one of a kind now go troll some Thor threads with this idea. If not, hold onto that, and think about Superman again.

Still a problem? Think about Surfer now doing the same thing with his board. Then, go back to Superman again. Still got problems? Then see if anybody takes Gladiator or Hyperion using nanosecond blitzing seriously. Then, go back to Superman again.

Still got problems? Ok. You know what that means? You've got a problem.

Originally posted by carver9
If you actually read comics you would know that it happened. I'm not showing you anything. Just know that Superman himself after that punch realized his amp as well.

Hulk just recently threatened his BEST FRIEND that if they didnt get out of the dimension by noon, that they were going to die. He WILL kill Superman. He wasnt lying when he said it because a couple of panels later, he destroys the dimension and kills every one on it.

Superman does not stand a chance in this fight.

Again, you must support a claim with proof or you are trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk does not kill heroes. Sorry, but not only am I not buying that but I'm not buying that he will be that mad when fighting Superman (no reason for him to be that mad).

Again, you must support a claim with proof or you are trolling.

His friends was in this dimension when he destroyed it (thanks Psycho).

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk7.jpg

No, you are trolling for not reading comics.

Originally posted by carver9
His friends was in this dimension when he destroyed it (thanks Psycho).

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk7.jpg

No, you are trolling for not reading comics.

It doesn't show what he did. You must give issue numbers or scans to support your claim. Do you even have the comic yourself?

Originally posted by h1a8
It doesn't show what he did. You must give issue numbers or scans to support your claim. Do you even have the comic yourself?

Thanks again Psycho.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
inb4guy

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk.jpg
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Guys calm down, it's just a "sentry vs mm" showing. It happened once and hulk fanboys went gaga just like sentry fanboys. Just wait till wolverine again fights hulk.