Let me post it anyway.
Let me post it anyway.
Originally posted by carver9
But you would have to limit Flash speed in order for you to even suggest Superman can pour any type of speed against him. Flash is a guy that can see an entire lifetime in less than a second. How would Superman use his speed against someone that is trillions of times faster than him?No need for me to answer your question since you didn't answer mine.
You're not understanding the question.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're not understanding the question.
His question is meaningless to the battle though. I already told him I think Superman would use his speed...me saying that he won't is just as inaccurate as me saying Hulk won't thunder clap in this fight. It's other things I disagree with.
Originally posted by carver9
His question is meaningless to the battle though. I already told him I think Superman would use his speed...me saying that he won't is just as inaccurate as me saying Hulk won't thunder clap in this fight. It's other things I disagree with.
You're still not getting it, and no, his question isn't.
The speed gap between Superman and Hulk is just as large, if not larger, than the gap between Flash and Superman. Please, provide proof otherwise.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're still not getting it, and no, his question isn't.The speed gap between Superman and Hulk is just as large, if not larger, than the gap between Flash and Superman. Please, provide proof otherwise.
What proof do I need to provide? Hulk hitting people that are similar to Superman in speed? I can easily do that.
Proof that people that have flown FTL commenting on Hulk being extremely fast? I can do that as well.
Hulk blitzing people that have speed of their own? I can do that as well.
What is it you are asking for?
No one is ignoring the fact that Superman is faster than Hulk...I'm ignoring something else. I would never give Gladiator a majority against Doomsday or Shaggyman or Darkseid (minus the Omegas) due to speed because no matter how fast Gladiator is, he isn't untouchable. I would have to completely ignore everything that has happened on panel to believe Gladiator wouldn't get touched by any of them...its ludicrous. Gladiator is faster but he sure as hell isn't unhittable.
Originally posted by carver9
What proof do I need to provide? Hulk hitting people that are similar to Superman in speed? I can easily do that.Proof that people that have flown FTL commenting on Hulk being extremely fast? I can do that as well.
Hulk blitzing people that have speed of their own? I can do that as well.
What is it you are asking for?
Proof that if Superman doesn't want to be hit, Hulk can still physically strike him.
Originally posted by carver9
No one is ignoring the fact that Superman is faster than Hulk...I'm ignoring something else. I would never give Gladiator a majority against Doomsday or Shaggyman or Darkseid (minus the Omegas) due to speed because no matter how fast Gladiator is, he isn't untouchable. I would have to completely ignore everything that has happened on panel to believe Gladiator wouldn't get touched by any of them...its ludicrous. Gladiator is faster but he sure as hell isn't unhittable.
Who cares about Gladiator?
Carver could u answer this question for me so u can clear up my own confusion about what u r saying. Do u think A. Superman fighting at his absolute top speed could zip in and out landing blows on Hulk without being touched, but just wouldn't fight like that. Or B. His top speed isn't fast enough to do that and would get tagged by hulk in the process.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm always here to help you Placidity.You see this OMNI blast circling Hulk...it was laying waste to the state they were in. It was destroying everything. He even make it appear as an explosion.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094189/Incredible_Hulks_632_021.jpg.html
Let me guess, you want to see it used against Heralds huh. Ok, we have Armageddon here...an elite Herald...Wendigo (Savage Hulk near equal) and Bi Beast...someone that has fought Thor for a prolong amount of time and actually overpowered him twice during one fight.
A smaller OMNI had enough power to hurt these beings...enough power to knock them off of them, this isn't comparable to the blast Hulk used in my first scan.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/94565109.jpg/
Superman flying into this trying to bfr Hulk will only leave him open for a punch that could possibly be one of the hardest punches he felt in his life.
This is what I believe.
Now if we are ignoring this and just using Superman at his complete best...ignoring Hulks power then yes, you have a point (even though I think Hulk reflexes is fast enough to tag Superman). This is if we are taking CIS off and completely eliminating Hulk power.
Now if we cut everything on...Superman would blitz right into a OMNI blast which would leave him open for a punch...a fight eneong punch. Superman is faster than Hulk, Hulk is far more powerful than Supes. Heat Vision won't work, Ice Breath isn't working, Superman only option is his fist and that's something he can't even do with opening himself up for a punch that could potential rip his body in half.
Hulk wins this 10/10.
Originally posted by carver9
Dormammu and Umar themselves don't have a way of stopping the Mindless Ones so they put them behind a dimensional barrier. If this Dimensional barrier is broken...the Mindless ones will kill everything in that Dimension.http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuIsAProtectorToHisPeople1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuIsAProtectorToHisPeople2.jpgDormammu thinks of the Mindless ones as more of a threat than Classic Strange.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuHasHisOwnMoralCode1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuHasHisOwnMoralCode2.jpgDormammu is using everything he have to try to even pause the Mindless ones.
Dormammu had to create a barrier in order to defeat them.
Pushing the Mindless ones back drained the skyfather Dormammu.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammusMagicTriangle.jpg
Hulk fights these same beings and physically push them back with nothing but brute strength. He does this with one hand and a foot and was still at full power afterwards.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319253/Incredible_Hulks_633_012-13.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319255/Incredible_Hulks_633_014.jpg.htmlThis doesn't includes him outright killing the entire species during his fist fight.
Hulk wasn't even at WBH levels pulling of fts that drained skyfathers.
Originally posted by carver9
If you can show me anything similar to this happening from Superman...something even CLOSE to this, then yes, I will admit, Superman is physically stronger than Hulk. Remember, Hulk didn't even touch the planet when this happened.Show me those scans. Or you could show me something similar to Hulk taking a footstep almost splitting a continent in half. Show me that as well.
Hulk pulling off fts that has never been done in comics...destroying beings that skyfathers has trouble defeating...destroying Heralds, amped trolls, planets and moons just by punching at another being. One punch is all it would take for Hulk...one and there is no way Superman is preventing himself from being punched.
Just so you know Carver, characters aren't always portrayed at the same level as their introduction. The Mindless Ones like most have fallen pray to this over the years and have been treated like random cannon fodder in comics before.
Not to mention from what I recall of the character's history, Dormammu has gone up and down.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk pulling off fts that has never been done in comics...destroying beings that skyfathers has trouble defeating...destroying Heralds, amped trolls, planets and moons just by punching at another being. One punch is all it would take for Hulk...one and there is no way Superman is preventing himself from being punched.
Now this is why I can't take you seriously some times.
Usually I'd try and explain to you why you're wrong (Particularly with the first comment, I mean surely you aren't delusional when it comes to the Hulk), including using your own previous posts, but I don't have time currently to explain why your reasoning has flaws in it and wouldn't necessarily be the conclusive evidence that you make it out to be.
If the Thing withstood an attack a week ago that killed a Top Tier like Thor a few decades ago, that doesn't in itself mean the Thing is above Thor, at any point in his history as a matter of fact.
There are no hard and fast rules with this, sometimes it has to be taken at a case by case basis, but you need to apply some critical thinking if you want people to even bother taking your opinions seriously (At least as much as they can be in the context of a comic book debate forum).
Originally posted by carver9Superman can simply uppercut him to space or just throw him there.
Superman attempting a bfr would only lead to leaving himself open for a uppercut from Hulk. Hulk surrounding himself in energy would stop a physical bfr from Superman.
Superman can survive in the heart of red stars and have other insane energy durability feats. Hulk's aura will do absolutely nothing to him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Just so you know Carver, characters aren't always portrayed at the same level as their introduction. The Mindless Ones like most have fallen pray to this over the years and have been treated like random cannon fodder in comics before.Not to mention from what I recall of the character's history, Dormammu has gone up and down.
I agree to some extent. They do have low showings and they have high showings as well. Per the scans I presented, it appears that Umar couldn't stop them by herself.
Especially when they are in the Dark Dimension...they seem more powerful. Here we have them even beating up Savage Hulk.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammusChaoticFlame.jpg
You might have 1 or two showings of them being damaged or just being handled by low tier beings but the majority of the time, they are unstoppable and can only be defeated via bfring.
