Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman can simply uppercut him to space or just throw him there.

Superman can survive in the heart of red stars and have other insane energy durability feats. Hulk's aura will do absolutely nothing to him.

Gotcha...Thor can survive in the heart of stars, Savage Hulk can survive dimensional destroying attacks...attacks hotter than a Sun, Gladiator can survive a blast strong enough to shed a solar system. With that said, Superman heat vision aint doing crap to them. I'm glad we agree.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't have to Thor has insane strength but when he punches the Hulk he doesn't always go flying off the planet. You need to argue based on what happens in the comics not just creating false truths in order to make a case.

People and very heavy objects have been bfred off then planet many many times in comics. Just because a character doesn't do it at a particular time doesn't mean they lack the necessary strength to do it. It goes against the writer's plot as to why that didn't do it and not because they weren't strong enough.

Carv Hulk is only more powerful in YOUR mind, it's YOUR opinion and NOT a FACT.

IF we take WBH at his VERY BEST (though it's still obvious that he was under the influence of the Wish and thus amped, especially after growing big) we ALSO have to take Superman at his VERY BEST and then Superman will win 😐.

You should stop with the lowballing of Superman and the highballing of WBH (amped or not), it's a sh!tty double standard and not even funny....

I still believe that you are joking.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha...Thor can survive in the heart of stars, Savage Hulk can survive dimensional destroying attacks...attacks hotter than a Sun, Gladiator can survive a blast strong enough to shed a solar system. With that said, Superman heat vision aint doing crap to them. I'm glad we agree.

Superman's hv will go straight through him like water if Superman was going for the kill. Remember Superman's hv and go through other kryptonians.

But that wasn't my point. You made a very dumb claim that Superman will hurt himself trying to touch Hulk. 😆

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Carv Hulk is only more powerful in YOUR mind, it's YOUR opinion and NOT a FACT.

IF we take WBH at his VERY BEST (though it's still obvious that he was under the influence of the Wish and thus amped, especially after growing big) we ALSO have to take Superman at his VERY BEST and then Superman will win 😐.

You should stop with the lowballing of Superman and the highballing of WBH (amped or not), it's a sh!tty double standard and not even funny....

I still believe that you are joking.

It's not just me that thinks this NUT. Show me Superman at his best so that I can see what you are talking about. Are you referring to the Superman that heat visioned an imperiex probe killing one and ramming through another one with the aid of Doomsday? Show me a Superman at his best. I don't need to lowball Superman to know that Hulk would win this fight without strain.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman's hv will go straight through him like water if Superman was going for the kill. Remember Superman's hv and go through other kryptonians.

But that wasn't my point. You made a very dumb claim that Superman will hurt himself trying to touch Hulk. 😆

Other blast as well has hurt kryptonians...blast weaker than Hulks Herald knocking back OMNI blast. You can't accept one ft without accepting another H1/ bias. Lol...at Superman heat vision going through Hulk when a "non holding back Superman trying to kill Wonder Woman" heat vision didnt go through her.

His heat vision didn't go through Black Adam either and he stated he wasn't holding back. That seems to be a Kryptonian weakness.

Originally posted by carver9
It's not just me that thinks this NUT. Show me Superman at his best so that I can see what you are talking about. Are you referring to the Superman that heat visioned an imperiex probe killing one and ramming through another one with the aid of Doomsday? Show me a Superman at his best. I don't need to lowball Superman to know that Hulk would win this fight without strain.

Originally posted by abhilegend
U mad bro?

Lol...no, im not mad...I just know Batman Prime and I know what his next responce will be just like I know you as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Other blast as well has hurt kryptonians...blast weaker than Hulks Herald knocking back OMNI blast. You can't accept one ft without accepting another H1/ bias. Lol...at Superman heat vision going through Hulk when a "non holding back Superman trying to kill Wonder Woman" heat vision didnt go through her.

Originally posted by carver9
His heat vision didn't go through Black Adam either and he stated he wasn't holding back. That seems to be a Kryptonian weakness.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...no, im not mad...I just know Batman Prime and I know what his next responce will be just like I know you as well.

Originally posted by carver9
It's not just me that thinks this NUT. Show me Superman at his best so that I can see what you are talking about. Are you referring to the Superman that heat visioned an imperiex probe killing one and ramming through another one with the aid of Doomsday? Show me a Superman at his best. I don't need to lowball Superman to know that Hulk would win this fight without strain.

Superman at his best....sleeps in the middle of the Sun for 10,000 or so years, and emerges as Golden Superman.

Bring it.

Originally posted by Placidity
See, I don't think you answered the question.

Here let me remind you what it was again:

In a debate on this forum - Superman vs Flash, and Flash were to limit his top speed to that of Superman's, would Superman use his speed?

So its either a yes, or a no. Which is it? (you're screwed either way, but it'll be fun!)

I believe the question is, is DS or DD or Mongul faster or even considerably faster than HULK?

Because Superman's vast speed advantage didn't seem to effect their h2h fights with him much.

Meaning it wasn"t a flatout game changer that turned the tides for Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really, calling someone NUT just screams anger. Carry on, superman wins.

Lol...I was just playing with Batman Prime...he is a cool guy. I see it like this...Thor, Superman, Savage Hulk share the same type of strength fts...when it comes to strength fts, these are the people I would look at. The difference about Savage Hulk compared to Thor and Supes is, his strength can jump from 1 million to the trillions with just a little anger motivation and it would continue to grow. Savage Hulk had proven he is a peer to Thor just like Doomsday has proven he is a peer to Superman. All of them are peers.

Now here is where the shifts begin. When we come across Maestro Hulk who is significantly more powerful than Savage Hulk...someone that fought Warrior Madness Thor for hours...this is where the tier begins to exceed a Herald. We have Merge Hulk.. the same Hulk that out fear in everyone's heart during a scuffle against the most powerful version of Onslaught.

We have War Hulk...a Hulk that was empowered by Celestial tech...a Hulk that ran through both, a full powered Juggernaut and Absorbing man at the same time.

Then, the big piece of cake...we have WWH...the most powerful version of the Hulk. Herald level isn't an issue with this Hulk. He went through Earths.defense while holding back. This Hulk was THE Hulk...the most powerful version...someone that can over 100 trillion tons with one hand without trying.

Let's carry on. WWH was the embodiment of strength but that wasn't his limit, he had a non.holding back Hulk in his body...a Hulk that stands in one spot and withstand attacks from major heavy hitters...a Hulk that melted beings that skyfathers had trouble of taking down. Superman is no where near this Hulk, especially when we have fts that put Superman and Savage as being equals unless you want to lowball the character.

This isn't a fight for Superman. I would give Superman better odds against Doomsday on a good day.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree to some extent. They do have low showings and they have high showings as well. Per the scans I presented, it appears that Umar couldn't stop them by herself.

Especially when they are in the Dark Dimension...they seem more powerful. Here we have them even beating up Savage Hulk.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammusChaoticFlame.jpg

You might have 1 or two showings of them being damaged or just being handled by low tier beings but the majority of the time, they are unstoppable and can only be defeated via bfring.

Yeah, does anyone remember the Nextwave issues with the Mindless Ones? They had Monica Rambeau and Tabitha blasting them to pieces several at a time, Captain #@$!@! tearing them in half with his bare hands, Elsa Bloodstone blowing them away with her guns, Machine Man tossing them around... Then there was that Amazing Spider-Man story where Thor and Thing were manhandling buckets of them at once, and Iron Man, Human Torch, & Cyclops blasting them etc. Even Spidey was kicking them away. Namor also beat some up in the Defenders.

There was the What If where the X-Vampires were killing a number of them, but then that was a What If.

They definitely got the Galactus treatment over the years. Unfortunately they probably just aren't as much of a threat anymore and lots of characters seem to kill them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman at his best....sleeps in the middle of the Sun for 10,000 or so years, and emerges as Golden Superman.

Bring it.

D***,.I can't argue against that.

I have to point something out. When most people are saying "Hulk", they are not refering to a being that can OMNI blast away a town at will or something like that. They are thinking of a very angry and kind of stupid beast that says "Hulk smash" and hit stuff. That is the mainstream picture of what Hulk is.

I for example, think of this Hulk when someone says Hulk to me. He can be sliced and stabbed by Wolverine. When you claim that Superman would not be able to hit Hulk, you have to consider that for example The Thing have battled against him several times. So, The Thing could hit Hulk, but not Superman?

Can you at least accept that this, what I consider normal version of Hulk, would loose against Superman by BFR?

Carv just two things to consider.
Sure Savage Hulk could reach the strength of WWH if he would have enough time an become angry enough.
Anyway.
Hulk's evolution continued through the years, he is now more powerful then ever, the same is true for Superman.
You compare the feats of current Hulk to that of Hulk some decades ago. Just looke how Superman changed over the years, from the Byrne era through the Loeb run till the Final Crisis. He, like the Hulk, became more powerful through the years and can match WWH strength, he has the feats. Like it or not^^.

Originally posted by Offendor
I have to point something out. When most people are saying "Hulk", they are not refering to a being that can OMNI blast away a town at will or something like that. They are thinking of a very angry and kind of stupid beast that says "Hulk smash" and hit stuff. That is the mainstream picture of what Hulk is.

I for example, think of this Hulk when someone says Hulk to me. He can be sliced and stabbed by Wolverine. When you claim that Superman would not be able to hit Hulk, you have to consider that for example The Thing have battled against him several times. So, The Thing could hit Hulk, but not Superman?

Can you at least accept that this, what I consider normal version of Hulk, would loose against Superman by BFR?

I agree 100% with you, I would give Superman the majority against Savage Hulk due to bfr...that's ONLY if he uses that as a tactic. If he fights Savage Hulk anywhere NEAR the way he fights Doomsday or any other high end brick, he could lose and I would "possibly" give Savage the majority.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Carv just two things to consider.
Sure Savage Hulk could reach the strength of WWH if he would have enough time an become angry enough.
Anyway.
Hulk's evolution continued through the years, he is now more powerful then ever, the same is true for Superman.
You compare the feats of current Hulk to that of Hulk some decades ago. Just looke how Superman changed over the years, from the Byrne era through the Loeb run till the Final Crisis. He, like the Hulk, became more powerful through the years and can match WWH strength, he has the feats. Like it or not^^.

Lol...WTF...Savage Hulk has become more powerful throughout the years as well and even though Supes has become more powerful, Doomsday has as well and Superman tends to think twice about facing him. I'm not discrediting Superman at all just like I'm not going to ignore what Savage Hulk is capable of. Thor has also grown stronger but Savage Hulk is still a challenge for him and I don't even think the most hardcore of Thor fans would come in here and say otherwise.

By the way, Savage Hulk isn't anywhere near WWH strength.