Originally posted by Villelater
P-r- never seems to get it...no matter what is thrown his way he like his avatar crawls back into his bed and takes a cat-nap...it's like P-r- is not evening trying...must be a cat thing...like falling and landing on his feet...only goes well if he's “high” enough
Hm. Always thought "Pr" was "P R" as in the letters individually. Now, I know that it is actually pronounced as "Prrr" or "Purrr" as in the cat.
Makes sense.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, and he came back down not long after.That, and the dragon was kryptonian in origin.
I'm a little confused at the logic you're using.
We can debate the implications of the 1st sentence later.
The 2nd point is of interest to me now.
By telling me that the dragon was kryptonian in nature: are you adopting the stance that there ARE indeed stronger beings than Superman but that, on average, Superman measures higher than what most humans would "objectively" consider finite strength?
That effectively ALL Kryptonians have infinite strength?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm a little confused at the logic you're using.We can debate the implications of the 1st sentence later.
The 2nd point is of interest to me now.
By telling me that the dragon was kryptonian in nature: are you adopting the stance that there ARE indeed stronger beings than Superman but that, on average, Superman measures higher than what most humans would "objectively" consider finite strength?
That effectively ALL Kryptonians have infinite strength?
No, he has a limit, it just has not been shown so far yet.
By the way, I accept your concession gracefully, along with your resultant apology.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm a little confused at the logic you're using.We can debate the implications of the 1st sentence later.
The 2nd point is of interest to me now.
By telling me that the dragon was kryptonian in nature: are you adopting the stance that there ARE indeed stronger beings than Superman but that, on average, Superman measures higher than what most humans would "objectively" consider finite strength?
That effectively ALL Kryptonians have infinite strength?
No, I'm not saying that at all.
Superman is stronger than any Kryptonian, but that doesn't mean they aren't strong enough to hurt him, as Superman's strength is above his durability.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Hm. Always thought "Pr" was "P R" as in the letters individually. Now, I know that it is actually pronounced as "Prrr" or "Purrr" as in the cat.Makes sense.
It's the letters said individually. It's not a word.
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, I'm not saying that at all.Superman is stronger than any Kryptonian, but that doesn't mean they aren't strong enough to hurt him, as Superman's strength is above his durability.
It's the letters said individually. It's not a word.
"Letters said individually" part was edited just before I clicked on the "quote" button here to give you a reply...
P.R., if Superman is "stronger than any Kryptonian" why is he getting tossed around by this character "H'el" in the current series?
Ah-ha! P.R. has no answer for that one.
H'el handled Superman like a 3 year old.
So some characters are, indeed, stronger than Superman at present.
Then again, P.R. posted the following earlier on page 376:
Originally posted by VillelaterDarksaint said
DCnU Superman vs HOTH Hulk=Hulk win
Originally posted by PrObviously, but that's not who's been argued here.
He was probably right there, too ...
Bluewaterrider...facepalm
First, Pr may not be on, or think your post deserves merit. Second, it hasn't even been an hour since your post. I'm sure Pr has better things to do than sit by his pc waiting for your replies. Third, H'el has shown abilities beyond any other Kryptonian seen. You operating like it's a run of the mill Kryptonian is misleading at the very least. We have no idea how H'el has these other powers, if he was augmented, if it's an evolution of Kryptonian powers or if there's tech involved. Everything he's done so far screams that he's no ordinary Krytonian. Your whole argument is invalid until more is shown about H'el. Some friendly advice...give it a rest.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Villelater hath spoken and his words are truth!!!uhuh
Villelater has actually said a lot of things that are fairly accurate, but, with all do respect to him, he has just about the worst communication style for conveying information ON this forum that I've seen to date.
The small stuff matters to most people? That's true. John Byrne thought the same way and used it to revitalize the Superman title.
Grant Morrison used the same premise for the DCnu reboot. Superman's original writers had that in mind and so had him perform every everyday feat that could be related to. In each instance it was impactful to people because it was something put in terms they could understand and feel a connection with.
Hulk can jump great speed and distance? That's just like flying?
This is true to the extent that it allows Hulk, in the context of most stories and battles, to perform as the average flying object in a similar story would. Hulk characters like Jen and Lyra are able to direct themselves with the precision of the average speed-flying hobbyist when released from a plane, striking with the accuracy of a missile to Hulked soldier targets.
Punches allow change in direction? Works according to basic physics. Every action has equal and opposite reaction. You punch something it goes one way, you go the other. And moving your arm a certain way, whether you contact something else or not in mid-air, will shift your weight and allow you to direct your fall within certain limits.
Don't know about foot stomps being used. THAT is one thing mentioned that even I'm having a hard time understanding Villelater on.
If he's not thinking of Hulk landing on something mid-air and redirecting himself, that is. If there's something physical Hulk can contact, even if it's something only marginally tangible, like, say, the surface of a lake, Hulk has indeed demonstrated the ability to re-direct from that. Did so famously in Fantastic Four #25 if memory serves.
At any rate, there's a lot more truth to what Villelater is saying then he's getting credit for. Near as I can figure he just needs to learn to say it better ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Villelater has actually said a lot of things that are fairly accurate, but, with all do respect to him, he has just about the worst communication style for conveying information ON this forum that I've seen to date.The small stuff matters to most people? That's true. John Byrne thought the same way and used it to revitalize the Superman title.
Grant Morrison used the same premise for the DCnu reboot. Superman's original writers had that in mind and so had him perform every everyday feat that could be related to. In each instance it was impactful to people because it was something put in terms they could understand and feel a connection with.Hulk can jump great speed and distance? That's just like flying?
This is true to the extent that it allows Hulk, in the context of most stories and battles, to perform as the average flying object in a similar story would. Hulk characters like Jen and Lyra are able to direct themselves with the precision of the average speed-flying hobbyist when released from a plane, striking with the accuracy of a missile to Hulked soldier targets.Punches allow change in direction? Works according to basic physics. Every action has equal and opposite reaction. You punch something it goes one way, you go the other. And moving your arm a certain way, whether you contact something else or not in mid-air, will shift your weight and allow you to direct your fall within certain limits.
Don't know about foot stomps being used. THAT is one thing mentioned that even I'm having a hard time understanding Villelater on.
If he's not thinking of Hulk landing on something mid-air and redirecting himself, that is. If there's something physical Hulk can contact, even if it's something only marginally tangible, like, say, the surface of a lake, Hulk has indeed demonstrated the ability to re-direct from that. Did so famously in Fantastic Four #25 if memory serves.
At any rate, there's a lot more truth to what Villelater is saying then he's getting credit for. Near as I can figure he just needs to learn to say it better ...
Great post, EXCEPT, my original question was:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He...footstomps...to stop himself.I have to see scans of this. I can accept him thunderclapping or waving his arms about to kinda change direction, but its not any meaningful flight. He can't swoop around,can he.
Also, with regards to Jen/Lyra:
"Its like flying!
No. Just a cooler way of falling."
Even the characters themselves admit its not like flying....
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
"Letters said individually" part was edited just before I clicked on the "quote" button here to give you a reply...P.R., if Superman is "stronger than any Kryptonian" why is he getting tossed around by this character "H'el" in the current series?
I was talking about normal Kryptonians. H'el isn't a normal Kryptonian. shrug
Originally posted by Badabing
Bluewaterrider...facepalmFirst, Pr may not be on, or think your post deserves merit. Second, it hasn't even been an hour since your post. I'm sure Pr has better things to do than sit by his pc waiting for your replies. Third, H'el has shown abilities beyond any other Kryptonian seen. You operating like it's a run of the mill Kryptonian is misleading at the very least. We have no idea how H'el has these other powers, if he was augmented, if it's an evolution of Kryptonian powers or if there's tech involved. Everything he's done so far screams that he's no ordinary Krytonian. Your whole argument is invalid until more is shown about H'el. Some friendly advice...give it a rest.
Pretty much; I don't devote nearly as much time to KMC as I used to.
Stuff like Immigration takes priority. So does food. And booze.