Superman vs. Hulk

Please read again. My original question, was that I wished to see him stopping himself with footstomps, as it came across like the Hulk can stop in midair and possibly change direction by stomping his feet.

I see that despite your sad attempts at using screenshots, you deliberately left out the post below the ones included in your shot, where I admit I can accept him changing direction with claps or waving his arms about...but NOT the footstomping.

This shows clearly your thought processes and attempts at twisting facts and hiding evidence to suit your agenda. With this in mind, how can anyone actually trust a word of what you type, when you have been caught out so flagrantly?

Here is the link, saved for posterity:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=573367&pagenumber=1

You then attempted to....use Jen and Lyra as evidence of this amazing meaningful direction changing that Hulks can do. Except Jen admits its not flying. Great evidence, thanks for providing it. Your desire to lose is almost Thanos like.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Please read again. My original question, was that I wished to see him stopping himself with footstomps, as it came across like the Hulk can stop in midair and possibly change direction by stomping his feet.

I see that despite your sad attempts at using screenshots, you deliberately left out the post below the ones included in your shot, where I admit I can accept him changing direction with claps or waving his arms about...but NOT the footstomping.

This shows clearly your thought processes and attempts at twisting facts and hiding evidence to suit your agenda. With this in mind, how can anyone actually trust a word of what you type, when you have been caught out so flagrantly?

Here is the link, saved for posterity:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=573367&pagenumber=1

I can pose the exact same question to you.

Why try to make an issue of something where nothing exists?

"Deliberately left out the post below the ones included in your shot"?
If I'm concerned about such a thing, why give the title of the thread to make it easier for people to go there and check things out for themselves?

Then of course, there is the small matter where you accused me of having two accounts here. Which would get me banned, if true.

So you had better show some proof, otherwise, you're just trolling and bashing. And I don't throw that term around lightly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then of course, there is the small matter where you accused me of having two accounts here. Which would get me banned, if true.

Never did such a thing.
Find any post where you think I did.

It's not KMC I'm referencing.

Your actions make some sense now if you think that I was.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I can pose the exact same question to you.

Why try to make an issue of something where nothing exists?

"Deliberately left out the post below the ones included in your shot"?
If I'm concerned about such a thing, why give the title of the thread to make it easier for people to go there and check things out for themselves?

Because there is always a chance I have missed something. Maybe there exists a scan where the Hulk, whilst in midair, changes directions with his punches, then stops on a dime by stomping his foot.

Maybe.

And if such a scan exists, please don't try and tell me you wouldn't be interested in looking at it. That is why I asked for the scans in the first place....because I....wanted to look at them. Scoop of the century, I know, right?

With regards to your second point, I gave the link so that people can see you for the drowning man that you are, frantically clutching at anything you can to save yourself.

Even if, like the Jen/Lyra scan, what you believe to be your salvation is just another nail in the coffin of your retarded argument.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Never did such a thing.
Find any post where you think I did.

It's not KMC I'm referencing.

Your actions make some sense now if you think that I was.

Or you didn't liken me to another poster from long ago on this site? And then said, hey, are you sure you're not that guy? Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or you didn't liken me to another poster from long ago on this site? And then said, hey, are you sure you're not that guy? Are you sure about that?

Not on KMC, no.

Read more carefully.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Even if, like the Jen/Lyra scan, what you believe to be your salvation is just another nail in the coffin of your retarded argument.

Some meaningless attempted abuse cast about because you were/are angry and scared. Check...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I gave the link so that people can see you for the drowning man that you are, frantically clutching at anything you can to save yourself.

Point fails because I perceived nothing to save myself FROM, D.S.

The fear was actually yours.

And ... completely unfounded.

I've never said you were a different KMC member.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because there is always a chance I have missed something. Maybe there exists a scan where the Hulk, whilst in midair, changes directions with his punches, then stops on a dime by stomping his foot.

Maybe.

And if such a scan exists, please don't try and tell me you wouldn't be interested in looking at it. That is why I asked for the scans in the first place....because I....wanted to look at them. Scoop of the century, I know, right?

Yeah, and here's one of the things I didn't understand, and so was wondering to myself earlier:

"Why would DarkSaint, if he actually clicked on the link I gave him, and read what the man there wrote, why would he think I were saying this is a reality of the present day? For even the man himself hints that this was something of a bygone era ... "

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" Superman's early jumping evolved into full-fledged flight. I believe the same was true (or was considered) for the Hulk. These pictures show the Hulk changing direction in mid-air or in flying poses ..."

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http://west3man.blogspot.com/2009/03/hulk-fly.html

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because there is always a chance I have missed something. Maybe there exists a scan where the Hulk, whilst in midair, changes directions with his punches, then stops on a dime by stomping his foot.

Maybe.

And if such a scan exists, please don't try and tell me you wouldn't be interested in looking at it. That is why I asked for the scans in the first place....because I....wanted to look at them. Scoop of the century, I know, right?

And, of course, the man's scans actually DO show Hulk swooping around as you say you "originally asked".

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Some meaningless attempted abuse cast about because you were/are angry and scared. Check...

Not meaningless - you used it as an argument that Jen/Lyra could fly.

When Jen herself says, no, its not like flying.

So, still retarded.

As I said before, I brought it up to show how, if I can't trust you on easily verifiable facts, how could we trust you on your interpretation of debatable subjects?

Point fails because I perceived nothing to save myself FROM, D.S.

The fear was actually yours.

And ... completely unfounded.

I've never said you were a different KMC member.

Stop trying to sidestep and obfuscate the point. You're good at trying, but poor at succeeding.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Yeah, and here's one of the things I didn't understand, and so was wondering to myself earlier:

"Why would DarkSaint, if he actually clicked on the link I gave him, and read what the man there wrote, why would he think I were saying this is a reality of the present day? For even the man himself hints that this was something of a bygone era ... "

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" Superman's [b]early jumping evolved into full-fledged flight. I believe the same was true (or was considered) for the Hulk. These pictures show the Hulk changing direction in mid-air or in flying poses ..."

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http://west3man.blogspot.com/2009/03/hulk-fly.html

And, of course, the man's scans actually DO show Hulk swooping around as you say you "originally asked". [/B]

PLEASE READ AGAIN.

Scans of him stomping to stop himself mid-flight, please? Which was what I 'originally asked'.

And when I asked you about the current situation, what was your response? That you would rather reference a more recent example.

I.e., Jen/Lyra.

So, are you admitting that in fact, Hulk cannot fly anymore?

Originally posted by Vim
Are you sure can't he just hold his breath, get madder, and bigger, pretty soon his weight could pull him back down to the Earth, He could madder and madder on the way down make his strength and speed equal to Supes...? Then ... we discover the Leader had brainwashed Superman, and the Abomination shows up! And then ......

He's not coming down from orbit.

Hulk still needs to breath.. That's why Namor can beat him underwater, and why gas used to be his weakness..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Even if, like the Jen/Lyra scan, what you believe to be your salvation is just another nail in the coffin of your retarded argument.

Here's the other significant place where what you're saying falls flat.

My argument was that Hulk could NOT fly, and you can re-check what I wrote for Hulk in that thread, and confirm it is precisely what is written here:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

Hulk -- No longer Greg Pak edition, unless that's precisely who the OP had in mind. WorldBreaker would take Prime out.
Not so sure about current.
Lacks flight in any case.
Would be at disadvantage because of that.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=573367&pagenumber=1

On the other hand, Hulk lacking flight does NOT mean, as you posited on that same page, that Hulk is "without any meaningful directional control".

If his own adventures and those of the Red Hulk (who leaped from the moon back to Earth following his battle with Thor, if memory serves), and those of Jen and Lyra are any indication, Hulk has quite a bit of "meaningful directional control" -- at least in the context of the "group versus Prime" fight that is the main topic of discussion in that thread.

Even Savage Hulk during this era is powerful as hell...team busting powerful. Don't see a Herald single handily taking him down.

Directional control... That's pretty much limited flight you're spotting him.

If PIS, CIS, and a little bit of common sense were in play, someone with the kind of flight and speed Superman has should completely control a fight against someone that can't fly, even if they're completely outclassed in terms of durability and strength...

Think a Tekken juggle infinite.. Theoretically, Superman should be able to just keep wailing on Hulk with impunity, as long as he keeps his feet from touching the ground and steers clear of his front to avoid thunderclaps...

Originally posted by carver9
Even Savage Hulk during this era is powerful as hell...team busting powerful. Don't see a Herald single handily taking him down.

Plenty of high heralds are team busters. Yet they can still be taken down by their peers under the right circumstances.

So no.

Originally posted by carver9
Even Savage Hulk during this era is powerful as hell...team busting powerful. Don't see a Herald single handily taking him down.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Here's the other significant place where what you're saying falls flat.

My argument was that Hulk could NOT fly, and you can re-check what I wrote for Hulk in that thread, and confirm it is precisely what is written here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=573367&pagenumber=1

On the other hand, Hulk lacking flight does NOT mean, as you posited on that same page, that Hulk is "without any meaningful directional control".

If his own adventures and those of the Red Hulk (who leaped from the moon back to Earth following his battle with Thor, if memory serves), and those of Jen and Lyra are any indication, Hulk has quite a bit of "meaningful directional control" -- at least in the context of the "group versus Prime" fight that is the main topic of discussion in that thread.

Define what you mean by meaningful, then.

My definition is that whilst he CAN change direction (thunderclaps, waving his arms about etc), in a foum fight, against someone like Superman or Superman Prime, would his level of directional control be sufficient to keep him in the game should his opponent take to the skies and fights from there?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Define what you mean by meaningful, then.

My definition is that whilst he CAN change direction (thunderclaps, waving his arms about etc), in a forum fight, against someone like Superman or Superman Prime, would his level of directional control be sufficient to keep him in the game should his opponent take to the skies and fights from there?

I think you are ascribing a level of elusiveness to Prime that exists only in the minds of forum participants.
When has Lunatic Boy so much as dodged a punch in his career?

Really think he's going to be playing hard to get?
Think the answer to this question is "yes"? You'll need to show me.

Superboy Prime is about as in-your-face as characters get.
There's no such thing as him being elusive unless someone puts the fear of God into him. Again, you think otherwise, you show me something from the comics to prove your point.

The other thing is that Hulk in that thread is fighting with a GROUP of people against Prime. It's not a one-on-one.
It's GROUP versus a lone combatant, who can only reasonably be expected to have his attention focused on so many people at once. Four? Five? Six? There are EIGHT people on this team against Prime, D.S. Quite a margin of error for Prime to get blindsided as remaining members of "Team United" clamor for a piece of him.

So the answer to your question:

"Would his level of directional control be sufficient to keep him in the game should his opponent take to the skies and fight from there?"

If he's fighting like the Superboy Prime we know from the comics? From 2004 onward? Absolutely it'd be sufficient. Hulk under the conditions OF that "Team versus Prime" thread, would be no less likely to catch Prime in the air than Savage does against his opponent below.

Again, if you think otherwise ... show me.

For the purposes of this thread, let's go with Kal-El, Superman, as its what's this thread is all about.

In which case, yes, he can be that elusive.