Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by -Pr-
Typical. I'll try to find them.

Here:

DOOMSDAY REX

Superman v2 #175
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Superman stops breathing at this point and has his heart jump-started. Meanwhile, Doomsday utterly pwns Martian Manhunter in one page. Then:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/doomsday/superman175j.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/doomsday/superman175k.jpg
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PR, it seems as if either DD was getting weaker since Superman mentioned that fear and pain affects his strength OR DD had already gotten weaker from the pain and fear he felt after the kryptonite exposure. Maybe Superman's words made him fear more. So I think it's writer's intention that he was getting (or gotten weaker) from the pain the kryptonite gave him and or from Superman's words. But definitely something was happening to DD's power level as it was mentioned.

Note: IMO, The kryptonite only made him weaker when he was trapped. After getting out and leaving, the kryptonite didn't affect him directly anymore, just indirectly (remembering the pain and causing fear in him).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I KNOW YOUR SECRET NAME!

I DUB THEE 'LIAR', AND CONDEMN YOU TO SHADE!

For those confused, am quoting Manitou Raven. 😠

Lol...I didn't lie, I just forgot if it was before or after the scan you posted. I keep forgetting to put "IIRC". Doomsday was getting weaker though...superman even admits his speed and strength changed and proof that he/Doomsday had the strength to harm Superman was when he, well, almost killed him.

Originally posted by cdtm
How fast he is defines how fast he is.

This isn't a comic book. Characters don't forget to use super speed.. We call that PIS.

Gladiator's BFR was retarded. Thor and Superman should give the guy a lesson.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Gladiator's BFR was retarded. Thor and Superman should give the guy a lesson.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He used his speed but we don't debate based on their highest showings alone. We don't cite pis every time we don't agree with an outcome. Gladiator tried to bfr him and failed. Period.

Highest showings is not that of using your powers but that of using them in far from there average. It is clear that an average Glads can simply throw or uppercut Hulk into space. Lesser beings have done this on a consistent basis.

Glads flies FTL on an everyday basis. Him not using even .00001% of his flight speed is not average for him.

Lastly, Full Capacity rule doesn't contradict the in character rule. A character will only perform to levels and abilities they were shown to do in comics. They fight at their best ability, not their worst (as in the Glads Hulk fight).

Basically, it comes down to this: By any measure, a character capable of light speed travel should have been in space near instantly.

That's not looking at high end showings, it's observing that he wasn't approaching anywhere close to the speed we know he's capable of reaching. That's not a CIS issue, it's a PIS one, since Glads certainly was attempting to battlefield remove Hulk, yet forgetting he has super speed of such magnitude, that Hulk could have blinked and found himself in space.

The Superman battlefield removal attempt on Doomsday is another example of this (As is Superman throwing Doomsday towards that city of trees, when he could have easily thrown him directly upwards and into orbit..)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk said not on my watch, Kal.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Good ole punch to the atmosphere will suffice.

If Skaar can do it to invulnerable, unstoppable Juggernaut, then yeah.

There was no time given on how long Gladiator was in flight with Hulk. For all we know, he could have been going light speed and Hulk just reacted before they went out of orbit. Hulk has hit light speed objects before, so I see no difference in him tagging Gladiator moving at light. Then, I don't even know why you all are discussing this since CIS is on. Superman will fight in character and would get dominated because of this.

Originally posted by carver9
There was no time given on how long Gladiator was in flight with Hulk. For all we know, he could have been going light speed and Hulk just reacted before they went out of orbit. Hulk has hit light speed objects before, so I see no difference in him tagging Gladiator moving at light.

PIS. How many times has Slade or Captain Boomerang tagged Flash?

Hulk isn't reacting at lightspeeds.

Originally posted by carver9
There was no time given on how long Gladiator was in flight with Hulk. For all we know, he could have been going light speed and Hulk just reacted before they went out of orbit. Hulk has hit light speed objects before, so I see no difference in him tagging Gladiator moving at light. Then, I don't even know why you all are discussing this since CIS is on. Superman will fight in character and would get dominated because of this.

😂

Originally posted by carver9
There was no time given on how long Gladiator was in flight with Hulk. For all we know, he could have been going light speed and Hulk just reacted before they went out of orbit. Hulk has hit light speed objects before, so I see no difference in him tagging Gladiator moving at light. Then, I don't even know why you all are discussing this since CIS is on. Superman will fight in character and would get dominated because of this.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman states his strength and speed was dimenishing. That's proof enough Doomsday wasn't at the power he was at when he nearly killed Superman.

No, it doesn't, and you're reaching as usual.

Originally posted by carver9
There was no time given on how long Gladiator was in flight with Hulk. For all we know, he could have been going light speed and Hulk just reacted before they went out of orbit. Hulk has hit light speed objects before, so I see no difference in him tagging Gladiator moving at light. Then, I don't even know why you all are discussing this since CIS is on. Superman will fight in character and would get dominated because of this.

Shut up.

Originally posted by carver9
Then, I don't even know why you all are discussing this since CIS is on. Superman will fight in character and would get dominated because of this.

Against other bricks, sure, maybe you have a point. Against a brick who gets stronger as the fight goes on?

Originally posted by carver9
There was no time given on how long Gladiator was in flight with Hulk. For all we know, he could have been going light speed and Hulk just reacted before they went out of orbit. Hulk has hit light speed objects before, so I see no difference in him tagging Gladiator moving at light. Then, I don't even know why you all are discussing this since CIS is on. Superman will fight in character and would get dominated because of this.

Oh, so Hulk has light speed reactions now?

Stated on panel? Scans? Because it better not just be some random scans of him moving, I had better see some statements and numbers. You have shown Gladiator fighting at hyperspeed before, with superfast reaction times. Do you now think that, rather than having the time for 5/10 free blows, the Hulk is that fast?

Originally posted by cdtm
Basically, it comes down to this: By any measure, a character capable of light speed travel should have been in space near instantly.

That's not looking at high end showings, it's observing that he wasn't approaching anywhere close to the speed we know he's capable of reaching. That's not a CIS issue, it's a PIS one, since Glads certainly was attempting to battlefield remove Hulk, yet forgetting he has super speed of such magnitude, that Hulk could have blinked and found himself in space.

The Superman battlefield removal attempt on Doomsday is another example of this (As is Superman throwing Doomsday towards that city of trees, when he could have easily thrown him directly upwards and into orbit..)

you can't throw anyone out of there, cause that would undermine the cockfight element that is the foundation of the very forum itself. in a comic. yeah it's retarded, cyborg superman tossed doomsday into orbit and that was that. he'd have to fight doomsday on the forums however regardless of his favorable way of dealing with a brick.

Lol I tried reading the OP to see what the conditions of the fight were.

And gave up.

BFR is possible, as the OP didn't state otherwise that I can see.