Thid id retarded if superman flies him into space he is screwed because he isnt going to be jumping nowhere. Also superman moves at near the speed of light hulk moves at the most 700 mph Superman could fly in and the hulk before he even has time to get pissed off and lay him out.The only reason hulk ever has beaten superman is only because superman always holds back unlike the hulk
"Thid id retarded if superman flies him into space he is screwed because he isnt going to be jumping nowhere. Also superman moves at near the speed of light hulk moves at the most 700 mph Superman could fly in and the hulk before he even has time to get pissed off and lay him out.The only reason hulk ever has beaten superman is only because superman always holds back unlike the hulk"
Jesus Christ. Where to start. Listen carefully to me.
Why do you keep saying this thing about Space? It's a ****ing comic book, the laws of physics don't necessarily apply. Hulk has jumped INTO SPACE before and he is still on Earth. He didn't float away coz it's a comic book you fool. Jesus. So quick to pick out each and every power Supes has ever used yet you forget or don't even know of Hulk's.
As for the speed, he could fly in and crash him into a wall or whatever. So what? You're talking about a monster who took a shot from Thor's hammer to the head and all it did was make him horny.
The only reason Hulk has ever beaten Superman is...............coz he's better. Superman didn't hold back in the comic I mentioned. First time he underestimated Hulk and got beat. Second time he had a fight, did well, but got beat again. The speed would never be a factor coz to do ANY damage Superman would need to get in close and fight with strength. Which he tried and failed at.
I think I know more about Superman than you coz all you seem to know are his speed, strength and panty size.
Superman died, in his own comic. Of exhaustion. That in itself rules you out.
This could be a hotly debated thread but it's people like you and Juggernaut Fan repeating the same opinions and powers over and over again, trying to argue objectively when you would both clearly vote for your favourites no matter what.
-AC
alpha you are underestimating the speed of superman that is one of the crucial facts that will make him the winner.
Don´t forget he is invulnerable, and he is not weaker then hulk, but even if he was, the strenght he has would be enough to beat hulk, ok so hulk punches would be more powerful , but how hulk would be able to hit him if he´s so fast.
in space hulk is finished, actually the both can die in space since the two have to breath, but supes is in advantage because of his invulnerability.
OMG the hulk might can jump into space because he is jumping from the earch once he is in space he aint jumping off shit its like whenever cosmic spiderman punched him up into space and the hulk was stuck there. Not to mention hulk cant catch superman , Superman would be able to sit there and lay thousands of punches on the hulk and hulk wouldnt be able to hit him once.
"alpha you are underestimating the speed of superman that is one of the crucial facts that will make him the winner.
Don´t forget he is invulnerable, and he is not weaker then hulk, but even if he was, the strenght he has would be enough to beat hulk, ok so hulk punches would be more powerful , but how hulk would be able to hit him if he´s so fast.
in space hulk is finished, actually the both can die in space since the two have to breath, but supes is in advantage because of his invulnerability."
The thing is Norrin, to do any damage Superman would have to get in close and go at it with Hulk which he had to do in the book where HULK BEATS HIM. I never said he couldn't avoid Hulk. He could, but from a distance he could do nothing to him. He is weaker than Hulk because Hulk can potentially get stronger than anyone due to his ability to up the power in himself. The fact is, I'm not saying what would happen. Hulk has actually beaten Superman twice. It's not about what anyone thinks Supes would do, it's what he would do. When did his speed help him against Doomsday? It didn't. What happened? He got beaten to death. Hulk would win this. Speed would be a non factor coz they cancel each other out. Hulk couldn't do much if Supes was flying around but then again all Supes could use is Heat beams and wind breath. Which would do nothing to Hulk either.
"OMG the hulk might can jump into space because he is jumping from the earch once he is in space he aint jumping off shit its like whenever cosmic spiderman punched him up into space and the hulk was stuck there. Not to mention hulk cant catch superman , Superman would be able to sit there and lay thousands of punches on the hulk and hulk wouldnt be able to hit him once."
Dude, seriously **** off with the space thing. Really.
Here's why, because for one, it's a comic. He doesn't NEED anything to jump off. The writers aren't gonna put Hulk in space when fighting and say "Oh well shit......what do we do now? He has nothing to jump off." Because that would be dumb. He would get back to Earth. He jumped into space before, there is no gravity. So how did he get back to Earth with nothing to jump off? Hmm? Coz he just did. Coz if you start involving physics, the point and purpose of comics which is escapism, fun and unrealism, is void. So shut up. Jesus.
"Yes but they wanted to boost comic book sells for that time period so superman had to die but conviently come back. Superman could have beatin doomsday without dieing"
Says who? You? That's just speculation. We could all say Surfer could have stolen the Gauntlet off Thanos. But he didn't. Superman wasn't strong enough to beat him without dying. You thinking otherwise is just blatant proof that you want to find a way out of Hulk beating Superman. It's like saying "I think what the writers MEANT to portray is....." No. They meant to happen, what happened. Superman's death. Simple as. Deal with it.
-AC
I thought this was about who would win not about how they would want the comic to end. besides superman can fly in and get close and fight and hulk still would be able to catch him and hulk cant get mad if superman puts hulk out before he has the chance too just like he has done before.If someone as strong as superman hits u going 180000 miles a second im pretty sure ur done for.
"besides superman can fly in and get close and fight and hulk still would be able to catch him and hulk cant get mad if superman puts hulk out before he has the chance too just like he has done before.If someone as strong as superman hits u going 180000 miles a second im pretty sure ur done for."
You say he wont get mad if Supes puts him out before he gets the chance to? Hmm. Bruce Banner got shot in the head at point blank range and The Hulk automatically kicked in and saved him. That took split-split seconds. So I Supes couldn't put him out before he got mad. If Supes flew in close enough to fight Hulk as you say, he would have to land a punch, in which case Hulk would instantly grab him coz he is no slow man himself. You say also that anything flying 180,000 miles a second hitting you means you're done for. Well in the comic when Hulk beats Supes, he does that and Hulk goes flying through about 5 mountains. He isn't done for. He shakes it off and says something along the lines of "You're good". He still wins. So is there anything else I have to prove you wrong on?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"besides superman can fly in and get close and fight and hulk still would be able to catch him and hulk cant get mad if superman puts hulk out before he has the chance too just like he has done before.If someone as strong as superman hits u going 180000 miles a second im pretty sure ur done for."You say he wont get mad if Supes puts him out before he gets the chance to? Hmm. Bruce Banner got shot in the head at point blank range and The Hulk automatically kicked in and saved him. That took split-split seconds. So I Supes couldn't put him out before he got mad. If Supes flew in close enough to fight Hulk as you say, he would have to land a punch, in which case Hulk would instantly grab him coz he is no slow man himself. You say also that anything flying 180,000 miles a second hitting you means you're done for. Well in the comic when Hulk beats Supes, he does that and Hulk goes flying through about 5 mountains. He isn't done for. He shakes it off and says something along the lines of "You're good". He still wins. So is there anything else I have to prove you wrong on?
-AC
first off a bullet moves at about 600 mph at the the most superman moves at 180000 miles a second so i think thats a lil faster. True the hulk isnt a slow man himself but hulk is nowhere near the speed of super man he isnt going to be able to catch someone going as fast as super man and also hulk can survive a direct hit from a nuclear warhead superman can and has so that should aslo prove that supers is more durable. 💃
i see alphs point and love hulk and hate superman, but there right about supes taking out hulk.if he hit hulk going 180000 miles a second(not hour) hulk will get knocked out. thats all there is to it. and no hulk could not catch superman before he landed the punch, because its not physically possible to see something moving that fast. but i agree that if hulk got ahold of supreman then hulk wins, but 40000 tons of strenght plus thtat immense speed, and your talking about global shattering force. if they were in the u.s., people in china would would feel it. it may not kill hulk, but it would most definteley render him unconsious.
"if he hit hulk going 180000 miles a second(not hour) hulk will get knocked out. thats all there is to it."
How about we stop going by "If" and start going by what actually happened in the comic that is classed as their first official fight? Superman hit Hulk at very near top speed, he said it himself, coz there was a woman who he to save, he thought Hulk was gonna harm her. So he bolted into him and Hulk got dashed through about 5 mountains. Even I was thinking "Crap that was good." But Hulk was on his feet almost seconds after he hit the ground.
That's the problem with all of these battles. People tend to either ignore one persons powers or ignore the fact of what has already happened. When we start going by what has happened we may get some closure to this situation. It's not about hating Superman. I like him, I said many times. However I have seen Hulk beat him twice. You can claim all the speed you want but I've seen him put this Hulk-beating speed/power attack to use and it didn't stop him losing to Hulk.
"but i agree that if hulk got ahold of supreman then hulk wins, but 40000 tons of strenght plus thtat immense speed, and your talking about global shattering force. if they were in the u.s., people in china would would feel it. it may not kill hulk, but it would most definteley render him unconsious."
He did get a hold of him and he did win, so.....what do you say now? "But the speed would...." but the speed would what? Hulk has taken it on the chin and been damaged yes. But he got up and won. Coz he's The Hulk. Then people seem to have forgotten the legendary quote that someone conveniently mentioned then shunned away.
"Anyone would be crazy to wanna fight The Hulk. It's an insane feat."-Superman, just after Hulk beat him for the first time.
Like Victor Von Doom said before, has Spider-Man beaten The Green Goblin? Yes. Has Surfer beat Thor? Yes. Has Thor beat Surfer? Yes. Has Wolverine beat Sabretooth? Yes. Has Sabretooth beat Wolverine? Yes.
Now are any of the combatants dead? No. Coz loss doesn't equal death. I'm not saying Hulk couldn't kill Superman. However he wouldn't have to if he wanted to win.
Back to the speed issue though. People say Doomsday was moulded in the image of The Hulk. Doomsday, who some debate as the best villain ever, based on The Hulk. Nuff said. Also, Doomsday's speed was said to be on par with Hulk's. Did Superman's speed aid him in the fight against Doomsday so much so that it stopped him from dying? No. Why? Coz Superman likes to fight. He likes to fight. He isn't like Surfer who is more of a thinker than a fighter. The only time Superman used his speed in the Doomsday battle was to catch up with Doomsday. After that it was a fight with Superman dying.
The things I am saying have happened. There's no "if's" there. Fantasy battles are fun but if we're gonna create threads to debate over who would win out of a battle already won, getting a little crazy huh? I thought this would be a hotly debated thread but it's full of people going by myth. People think "Superman!" and assume he's the God of all. Hulk would, can and has taken him.
-AC
i think you misunderstood me. i know hulk would win, as i have every hulk vs superman comic they've made and seen the results.i know hulks already beaten him, and could do it again. i was just implying my opinion on the superfast punch. i love the hulk, hes my favorite character ever, and no, i dont consider superman AS "the God of all." theres nothing i like more than seeing that tights wearing pansey get his ass handed to him.
What if the battle lasted until the night? HUlk would have the advantage then cause the S-man's battery would start to discharge...
now it's no way superman could last that long inspite of his powers he doesnt have the hulk's indurance. Hulk only loses his endurance when he feels the threat is gone.
albeit if supes started getting tired he could always regroup himself and search for the hulk later to fight.
the thing about taking hulk into space well you'd have one angry hulk that you'd try to take a 13,000 mile (i really dont really know the distance) trip to space you have a helluva a struggle wouldnt you?
but what all the arguements said and done i think superman was intended to just be the man. so he wins hulk is the better entertaining read though.
good/bad writing can take the fight either way. supes could knock hulk next to a peice of kryptonite. if the peice is big enough hulk will throw it not knowing what it is and super man might not reconize it in time. of course hulk would see the weak and helpless superman figure out what was causing it. and do one of two things kick the kyptonite away to save superman or just leave superman to be left alone and die, the hulk i know wouldn't pound superman if he felt the threat was gone.
hulk wants to be left alone that and betty.
If it came down to one on one, unbiased writing.
A brawl, multiple day brawl, Hulk would win. Sun goes down, Superman's batteries die. The only way Hulk stops is as you said, if he calms down. Superman is too brave to think "If I let Hulk go he'll calm down." He would be more like "If I let him go he could hurt people."
Anyway, I stand by what I've said coz it's based on actual events.
-AC
I don't see the point in this thread if people are going to automatically disregard pertinent information. Personally, I think that the "space idea" isn't a BAD idea, it just seems a bit overused. On the ground, however, I think Superman would end up losing because of the time constraints pointed out.
I'd rather have Supes win just because he is smarter, but I've never liked either that much due to their near unstoppability.