Superman vs. Hulk

I'm not disregarding, not have I ever disregarded pertinent info. I acknowledge all of Superman's powers, I also acknowledge all of Hulk's which people seem to not do. The unlimited strength. People just don't seem to like that he does have unlimited strength. Supes may be smarter but as pointed out, I don't ever remember him using his intelligence alone to win and his intelligence against Hulk wouldn't do much to him, coz there isn't much you can do.

In my opinion Superman is often portrayed as being far more invulnerable and unstoppable than The Hulk. A standpoint, wrong in my opinion, that is being put into play here without being taken into consideration.

-AC

ok, before i start posting i'd like to say that i love hulk a lot more than superman... but here are a few facts i'd like to point out:

1.) Hulk may have unlimited strength depending on how mad he gets, but he doesn't have unlimited anger. a person(hulk) can only get so mad to a certain point. so in this case, hulk would only get sooo mad and nothing more which marks the upper limit of his strength. anyone who can't understand this has no business being in this forum.

2.) Superman is so fast hulk wouldn't even see his hits comming... and there ain't no way that hulk would be able to hit superman. regarding that doomsday-superman fight: the reason doomsday was allowed to hit superman was because superman wouldn't be interesting if no one was allowed to beat him. most comics don't show superman ultilizing his speed in fights because it wouldn't be much of a fight if you had superman's combination of speed and strength. there just wouldn't be an interesting fight for superman.

3.) superman doesn't immediately lose strength when the sun goes down. he is like a solar battery. do you guys know what a battery does? it stores energy. so superman stores energy from the sun... which means even if the sun is out, he would still have his stored energy.... and i do think his stored energy is enuf to last until daybreak. besides if didn't last, he could just fly away and resume the fight next morning.

"Hulk may have unlimited strength depending on how mad he gets, but he doesn't have unlimited anger. a person(hulk) can only get so mad to a certain point. so in this case, hulk would only get sooo mad and nothing more which marks the upper limit of his strength. anyone who can't understand this has no business being in this forum."

Well he clearly hasn't ever reached his ultimate anger and wont for a long time. It's pretty safe to assume, that when he did, nobody would be a match for him. He has said himself, there are loads of ways he could be pissed off beyond belief. Many ways he can be turned into a raging beast, none of which have been tapped into. The only closely resembling factor was the last Abomination fight where he mentioned Betty.

"3.) superman doesn't immediately lose strength when the sun goes down. he is like a solar battery. do you guys know what a battery does? it stores energy. so superman stores energy from the sun... which means even if the sun is out, he would still have his stored energy.... and i do think his stored energy is enuf to last until daybreak. besides if didn't last, he could just fly away and resume the fight next morning."

Fact is he had never/will have never fought anyone like Hulk before. So all the energy he had stored he would be using to fight almost as instantly as he got it. So at night, whatever he had left would have to be used on keeping a still, very much battle ready Hulk, from tearing his head off. You say he could fly away. Regardless of how fast he is, you think Hulk wont SOMEHOW follow him? Besides, he flies so fast that he could only get a certain distance away before he came back on himself and started catching Hulk up again.

""2.) Superman is so fast hulk wouldn't even see his hits comming... and there ain't no way that hulk would be able to hit superman. regarding that doomsday-superman fight: the reason doomsday was allowed to hit superman was because superman wouldn't be interesting if no one was allowed to beat him. most comics don't show superman ultilizing his speed in fights because it wouldn't be much of a fight if you had superman's combination of speed and strength. there just wouldn't be an interesting fight for superman."

The reason I put this last is coz it proves alot of points. Well with all that in mind (what you just said), if they can't give him a good fight without dumbing him down, doesn't that seem to you like they made him pointlessly strong? Hulk's powers don't need to be dumbed down because no matter how unreal they are, they have purpose. Giving Superman powers to the point of cancelling certain qualities out because IF included they would render him and his comics unentertaining, says to me that he is a ridiculously powered character. Ridiculous in the sense that nobody thought things through properly when creating him.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

The reason I put this last is coz it proves alot of points. Well with all that in mind (what you just said), if they can't give him a good fight without dumbing him down, doesn't that seem to you like they made him pointlessly strong? Hulk's powers don't need to be dumbed down because no matter how unreal they are, they have purpose. Giving Superman powers to the point of cancelling certain qualities out because IF included they would render him and his comics unentertaining, says to me that he is a ridiculously powered character. Ridiculous in the sense that nobody thought things through properly when creating him.

amen to that! in this part i totally agree with you. superman was created without really much thought. they just wanted to create someone who had all the powers they could think of. an all around powerful being. that's why i hate superman, he is totally boring coz of his power. and like i said, i like hulk a lot more than superman... but i wouldn't want to sound biased for hulk coz i know that if written in paper, hulk wouldn't really match up to supes. i don't see any way that hulk could win if the writers really stuck true to the characters' attributes.

"hulk wouldn't really match up to supes. i don't see any way that hulk could win if the writers really stuck true to the characters' attributes."

You haven't read "The Incredible Hulk Vs Superman"? You should. May change your mind. Hulk beats him twice. Once easily, once with a fight. It's a co-written Marvel/DC thing also. Not fan voting.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"hulk wouldn't really match up to supes. i don't see any way that hulk could win if the writers really stuck true to the characters' attributes."

You haven't read "The Incredible Hulk Vs Superman"? You should. May change your mind. Hulk beats him twice. Once easily, once with a fight. It's a co-written Marvel/DC thing also. Not fan voting.

-AC

did you read my post correctly? i said, IF WRITTEN ON PAPER. or in other words, IF WRITTEN CORRECTLY then hulk wouldn't really match up to supes. i don't see any way that hulk could win if the writers really stuck true to the characters' attributes.

Im not referrencing any comic book writing here... coz if it was written in comics ofcourse they would try to make it a match worth writing about. you said it mas co-written by marvel and DC? well there are a lot of politics involved in writing a comic like that so im not gonna base my arguments on a comic book which we have no idea of how marvel and dc decided the outcome of.

"i don't see any way that hulk could win if the writers really stuck true to the characters' attributes."

Well then isn't he a bit of a stupid opponent for anyone? Stupid meaning impractical. What's the point of saying Hulk is unbeatable except for Superman who would beat him by using Strength and Speed and Hulk wouldn't survive, when the writers themselves acknowledge this. I'm talking Hulk Vs Superman if it were fair. It was in equal share that they wrote that comic after their first fight was done on fan voting. DC upper offices agreed to it otherwise through breach of contract it couldn't have gone down.

-AC

Hulk would win for sure! If Superman couldnot beat doomsday then why would he be able to defeat Hulk? To quote Juggernautfan or what ever yer name is ,, you said, " superman has a 40,000 str that is roughly 3 times stronger than Hulk" Well you're wrong dude if you want to pull out numbers Hulk can reach 100,000 tons and beyond I have seen all the DC MARVEL team up's and face offs . Don't for get man it's all in who is in controll of the story line.

Hulk cant beat supes if supes actually used all his abilities like his speed in the fight there is no way that hulk would be able to hit him hulk is fast but he cant hit someone going near speed of light and even if things starts to go bad for supes he could just fly to the sun real quick and get recharged again and then be back in it. The hulks base level of strength when he transforms in 100 tons supermans is 40000 tons so if he hit the hulk as hard as he could going speed of light (180000 mps) he would knock out hulk before he even had a chance to get real mad just like he did in marvel vs dc. Dc though usually dont let superman use his speed when he fights because it would be too easy of a fight.

"Dc though usually dont let superman use his speed when he fights because it would be too easy of a fight."

Don't you understand? That is why they don't let him use his speed. Coz he is a VERY POORLY CREATED CHARACTER. They never thought it through when they used him. If he was as good as you say then what is the damn point in him even having fights? There is none. He is a faulty character. He has STUPIDLY powerful powers. It doesn't change the fact that he has used the speed against Hulk and lost....

You didn't even know about Superman Prime you fool. So it just shows what kind of a Supes fan you are.

You wanna talk about tons? Lets talk about the few billion Hulk lifted in Secret Wars. Bit out of Superman's range I think. Shut up then.

Everyone here knows Hulk is the far superior warrior. Everyone also knows DC were up slack alley and needed readers when they just created a man with everything. Go and research your favourite character. You clearly don't know anything about him to compete with me.

-AC

After doing some frantic borderline fanboyish research I have no choice but to conclude that from a logical point of view superman is way stronger than the hulk. 1st of all I should point out that it is a known fact that DC has a Higher STR classifaction than Marvel. After they re-vamped the Story of Kal El in '86, they let us rediscover his powers step by step along with him. they showed him saying that his lifting things is a matter of will power rather than might. and he said this as he flew the cruise ship to safety after Luthor staged a terrosit attack(Man of Steel). This would be the eqivalent to Superboy's Tactile Telekinesis. Now dont get me wrong it is obvious that Hulk is the poster child for pure brute strength, but he only exceeds CL100 when he's super mad. sure his strength is potentially limitless, but other than Maestro saying that He's twice as strong as he's ever been(future imperfect) this level has never been seen.

Now the real root of my argument comes from the fact that Superman has consistently lifted heavier objects than the hulk.Mostly all the hulk has been doing over the years is smashing stuff, and then whenever he's compared to any other strong guy people always bring that "he lifted a whole mountain" thing into the mix. bottomline, i read in a Discover magazine that a bullet train weighs 80 tons, and the avg. sperm whale weighs in about a 120 tons. Of course this doesnt have any thing to do with comics but as I mentioned before among other things superman has lifted a cruise ship, which I'm sure weighs more than a whale and a train combined. Also we've seen him push Brainiac's war world out of orbit, and unless hulk gets really really really mad he's no where near these levels. And also I read in a profile that Superman can achieve 90% the Speed of light which would be 167,400 miles per sec. so all he'd have to do is couple his speed and strength and its over for the hulk

And another thing is Superman is strong 24/7 he doesnt have to get mad. So from a "logical" and realistic POV any sane person would go with Supes. Even though I'm sure EVERYONE is gonna disagree, and still bring up that mountain thing

lol

2.) Superman is so fast hulk wouldn't even see his hits comming... and there ain't no way that hulk would be able to hit superman. regarding that doomsday-superman fight: the reason doomsday was allowed to hit superman was because superman wouldn't be interesting if no one was allowed to beat him.

Many people seem to think that Doomsday is slow. However, in all the Doomsday comics, it was made clear (even if it was illistrated poorly) that Doomsday is as fast, or almost as fast as Superman.

I say superman
hed kick ass anyday

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Dc though usually dont let superman use his speed when he fights because it would be too easy of a fight."

Don't you understand? That is why they don't let him use his speed. Coz he is a VERY POORLY CREATED CHARACTER. They never thought it through when they used him. If he was as good as you say then what is the damn point in him even having fights? There is none. He is a faulty character. He has STUPIDLY powerful powers. It doesn't change the fact that he has used the speed against Hulk and lost....

You didn't even know about Superman Prime you fool. So it just shows what kind of a Supes fan you are.

You wanna talk about tons? Lets talk about the few billion Hulk lifted in Secret Wars. Bit out of Superman's range I think. Shut up then.

Everyone here knows Hulk is the far superior warrior. Everyone also knows DC were up slack alley and needed readers when they just created a man with everything. Go and research your favourite character. You clearly don't know anything about him to compete with me.

-AC

Damn who pissed in his corn flakes its people like u who get so pissy when they know they are wrong and u have to ruin the thread for everyone else. I mean look at the stats superman is stronger than the hulk unless he really really gets pissed, worlds faster and if we are talking about savage hulk superman is smarter and superman is more durable he has range and he can fly so basically superman has the hulk beat in everyway but its fan boys like u who cant accept it. and i guess not everyone knows that he is better cause everyone seems to be disagreeing with u.

Everyone here knows Hulk is the far superior warrior. Everyone also knows DC were up slack alley and needed readers when they just created a man with everything. Go and research your favourite character. You clearly don't know anything about him to compete with me.

You realize Superman was created before DC was incorperated, right?

"so all he'd have to do is couple his speed and strength and its over for the hulk"

Was doing well until you rendered your whole argument invalid with one sentance.

Once again, for all you kids with the Superman play outfits, I'll tell you again.

Do you know WHY they don't let him use both to his highest extend? Do you? Well I shall tell you. Because it would be RIDICULOUS. Back when Superman was created they created the generic superhero. One who could do all. The reason why they don't use all of Superman's powers is because they realise now, as they didn't then, that it was STUPID to make such a regular combat hero, so powerful. Make him as he was, fights are over before they start and comic sales hit the floor faster than a whore at a pornfest. I mentioned the mountain once. Because it's relevant. We're not talking ounces here, we're talking billions of tons. If we're talking regular feats of strength, again it comes back to the stupidity of his power. Nobody has a favourite train so when he lifts the bullet train, not many people will stop reading and say "well that was dumb." Most will go "Whoa!". Yes it's impressive. However hype up a battle between Superman and someone and use his stupidly immense power, coz that is all they are when combined, and you have a pointless thing.

It doesn't erase the fact that when all was said and done, they used Superman's most realistic and believable combination of powers aaaaaaaaaand guess what? Hulk gave him a wedgie and sent him on his way.

I have said before I like Superman, but to claim he is anything but a ridiculously thought out character, powers wise, is ludicrous.

-AC

Well, Superman is the big boyscout. Granted he could just fly at superspeed and vaporize most (most) of his opponents, but he wouldn't do that because he doesn't want to kill, or even badly hurt anyone. Even after Waverider took Doomsday to the end of universe to kill him, Superman expressed sympathy towards the monsters demise...and Doomsday was responsible for millions of deaths across the universe, not just Supermans. I think that has always been the idea behind Superman, and one of the reasons people like him so much, that he is one of the most powerful beings in the universe physically, but is bound by his morals not to use them.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]"so all he'd have to do is couple his speed and strength and its over for the hulk"

Was doing well until you rendered your whole argument invalid with one sentance.

Once again, for all you kids with the Superman play outfits, I'll tell you again.

Do you know WHY they don't let him use both to his highest extend? Do you? Well I shall tell you. Because it would be RIDICULOUS. Back when Superman was created they created the generic superhero. One who could do all. The reason why they don't use all of Superman's powers is because they realise now, as they didn't then, that it was STUPID to make such a regular combat hero, so powerful. Make him as he was, fights are over before they start and comic sales hit the floor faster than a whore at a pornfest. I mentioned the mountain once. Because it's relevant. We're not talking ounces here, we're talking billions of tons. If we're talking regular feats of strength, again it comes back to the stupidity of his power. Nobody has a favourite train so when he lifts the bullet train, not many people will stop reading and say "well that was dumb." Most will go "Whoa!". Yes it's impressive. However hype up a battle between Superman and someone and use his stupidly immense power, coz that is all they are when combined, and you have a pointless thing.

It doesn't erase the fact that when all was said and done, they used Superman's most realistic and believable combination of powers aaaaaaaaaand guess what? Hulk gave him a wedgie and sent him on his way.

I have said before I like Superman, but to claim he is anything but a ridiculously thought out character, powers wise, is ludicrous.

What are u talking about realistic they are comic books if they wanted to creat a man that could fart and blow up the world they could, scound off look at marvel i mean they created people like thanos and galactus and silver surfer all of them could beat superman,thirdly this thread isnt about superman fight realistically this is about him fighting the hulk all out using every trick he can and if that is the case yes superman has this one cause like i have said he is faster stronger and more durable and he can fly so how can the hulk beat someone who has him beat all the way around the hulk might have lifted a mountain but but superman pushed a world out of orbit i think that that might have it beat

yes if superman did use ALL his powers to his advantage, theres no way hulk could touch him.Literally. Thats way to fast for even hulk to touch. Ans Supes packs plenty enough punch to put hulk down, maybe not in one punch, but many coupled at near the speed of light will. And as far as Alpha saying hulk beat superman twice is far from the truth. i pulled out the ol' Hulk vs. Supes book and there is never a real winner. Yes, hulk does throw superman into space, but that doesnt mean hulk won. Supes went down keep fighting but Hulk had jumped away.That is not a victory for either opponent.The second time they fight, they both get in there share a licks. The 2nd fight as it happens.....Superman sees hulk. He flies into him pretty fast(not near top speed) Hits hulk in the gut. Hulk flies through aprox. 5 mountains, and ends up under a pile of rocks dazed and apparently disoriented. Hulks exct words"UNGH....?" Superman grabs the hulks leg and spins him around in the air very fast and lets go putting hulk through a patch of cacti. Hulk picks up some of the cacti thorns, places them in his mouth, and spits them at Superman. Somehow they end up in the sky with hulk grabing supermans face. superman flies into hulks gut with the armys missles exploding all around them. they fall into a missle launching vehicle. Supermans words"That...Actually came CLOSE to knocking the wind out of me."
Hulk begins throwing the missles and superman deactivates them w/ his heat vision. Superman takes a good swing at hulks face sending him through a few army jeeps, and halfway into a mountain. Hulk busts out, and says "Nothing can stop Hulk!!!NOTHING!!" Then Lex Luthor turns on a gamma gun that brings both heros to their knees. Hulk relizing many lives are at stake, allows superman to throw him after saying "I'm with you!"Hulk flies into the gun destroying it.
now how you got a Hulk victory out of that i have no idea. but you should start suppying all the facts when trying to make a point. Neither opponenet won. it was a typical stalemate.

whoa whoa slow down buddy i didnt say that superman was the greatest character ever concieved, like i said from a realistic point of view he's stronger than the hulk. In fact if you check superman's complete history you'll see that after he was created nin the late 1930's soon after WW2 started and the creators turned around and used him for propaganda and morale boosting purposes. as a result, they gave him godlike powers where he could split stars, shatter moons, and breathe in space , yet he was still only facing off against petty criminals, mafia guys, and foreign spies.

of course, it would be utterly ridicululous to have him use both speed and str in a battle, as many have said it would be pointless. in fact, the only time in recent history he did that was when that imperiex probe destroyed his parents farm and he got mad and went berserk, and I remember saying to myself why couldnt he have done this all along. As far as the train and whale thiing I just threw that in ther to demonstate from a real world perspective.

and surprise surprise that whole mountain thing was brought up again. Does any one honestly believe that Superman couldnt do the same?