Those crossover are not cano and haven't be acknowledge as contiuty by both companies.............
Also taht hulk and superman crossover was pre crises supes so of cause supes would beat him but if you want to yake it like that then if that was pre crises supes and they fought like that naturaly hulk will beat post cirses supes.
anyway there was a hulk vs superman crossover in 99 ask snoop for the pics on it.
Okay fair enough ,to me that just makes it that much worse on the poor hulk, based on what they can do within the series strongest "versions" of them they both have unmeasurable strength they can move planets thats about it for measuring strength I think. They both can move planets but supes doesnt have to wait and build up to that point etc Then supes other abilites obviously win him the fight IMO the speed most of all, hulks max speed is way way less I think he can only propel himself 300 mph is that right? Supes moves at near lightspeed with little effort....and I forget how fast that is 600,000,000 something mph? Hulk should get dizzy and throw up while supes is flying circles around him. Hulk would not be able to land a punch. I think I already mentioned it hulk getting knocked into space etc, cant hold breath more than a few hours. Knock supes into space he will just fly back at ya. Yes and I know about the 99 crossover but again supes was trying to reason with hulk in that one instead of just taking him out havent read it all but seen enough of it to know that. Hulk needs some kind of extra help to win thats why my money would be on on the smart version of hulk as the only one to stand a chance by knowing enough to get kryptonite or say some magical incantations maybe, haha. Poor Hulk hes strong but thats it. Way outclassed and I havent even mentioned any of supes other abilities yet.
Originally posted by googlesniffers
Sorry... but Hulk can survive an atomic and nuclear bomb- as shown in the movie and various comics- frezzing or burning in outerspace probably wont effect him- plus, he can struggle and break free
My friend Hulk has been rendered unconscience many times before (look it up) by more overpowering beings thus changing him back into Bruce Banner
"Actually in the comics when he first appeared Booster said that he moved as quick as the flash or something along those lines when i get home i can look and put the actual quote on here."
That quote is proved wrong in the whole story. You have normal humans like Jimmy and Lois following the whole fight.
They couldnt be moving as quick or faster than Flash. Neither more than the eye could follow.
Either that, or every single human at DC can follow Flash type speeds.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You are sadly mistaken. Class 100 means that you can lift more than 100 tons. Superman is class 100 as well. Hulk's strength starts off greater than 100 tons. It may not be 250,000 tons, (though the figure seems flawed,) but Hulk's strength is certainlty more than 100 tons.Remember that Hulk's strength increases are instant. He doesn't have to "charge," he can instanty jump to a higher level like he did when he lifted the mountain.
It is officially listed that in Hulk's calm functional state he can press around 70 tons. On average his start strength is somewhere around 100 tons. He is listed at class 100 because his strength can increase to be in excess of 100 tons. Some of the older stories of Hulk shouldn't be used for they don't make much sense (Hulk strength level instantly jumping to a million tons?). If that is the case then one can use pre-crisis superman (who can hurl spaceships to another galaxy, hurl planets, destroy solar systems with a single breath, etc.) Also you must remember that Hulk was rendered unconscience (changing him back to Bruce Banner) many times by more overpowering creatures like abomination. Superman is more powerful and faster than them.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You are sadly mistaken. Class 100 means that you can lift more than 100 tons. Superman is class 100 as well. Hulk's strength starts off greater than 100 tons. It may not be 250,000 tons, (though the figure seems flawed,) but Hulk's strength is certainlty more than 100 tons.Remember that Hulk's strength increases are instant. He doesn't have to "charge," he can instanty jump to a higher level like he did when he lifted the mountain.
You mean that Marvel is mistaken? Hulk has many functional states. In his lowest he presses about 70 tons (Look it up) but on average he is over 100 tons. And when Hulk lifted a mountain, that was a long time ago. Writers back then many times largely exaggerated characters powers to sell comics. If you use these old feats for Hulk to back you up then it is only fair that another can use Pre-Crisis Superman (the man who can destroy a solar system with a sneeze, hurl spaceships to other galaxies, hurl planets, etc.) to back them up. So use more recent Hulk facts.
"And when Hulk lifted a mountain, that was a long time ago. Writers back then many times largely exaggerated characters powers to sell comics"
Any of the top tier has mountain type feats.
And any character its exageratted in comics. Any. Thats the whole point.
"If you use these old feats for Hulk to back you up then it is only fair that another can use Pre-Crisis Superman"
With the difference that Marvel never had a crisis, therefore they
are and will always be in continuity.
"(the man who can destroy a solar system with a sneeze, hurl spaceships to other galaxies, hurl planets, etc.) to back them up. So use more recent Hulk facts."
If a topic its -about pre crisis feats- you will notice that, those are used. DC its post crisis now, thus we use the "recent" ones for those characters.
Originally posted by LandShark
haha you have to count crossovers otherwise they would never fight
hulk already mad as heck couldnt even budge superman Id say that has to prove hulk is no where near supes level, if supes gave him the time I guess he could get there on strength but he still cannot compare with supermans other powers, superman can vibrate so fast punches pass through him or simply dodge at superspeed how can the hulk beat him with strength if he cant touch him? already done scenario here: Superman knocks him into space Hulk can only hold his breath for a few hours(spiderman as capt universe knocked hulk into space and hulk admitted that, spidey had to go save him)Superman has to let him win or be weakened somehow for hulk to stand a chance, thats why i say hulk needs kryptonite gotta weaken him first or hulk with captain universe powers, now there is a fight I dont know if superman could win
Hulk's certainly as strong as Superman.
I have the comic you're talking about. Hulk fought Pre-crisis Superman (who's a tad stronger than today's Superman, mind you,) to a standstill. Near the end of the fight, Superman ignored one of Hulk's punches (which puzzled me, considering that an earlier punch knocked him out of Metropolis,) blocked another, and then destroyed the device that was causing him to be so angry. But then, I gave it some thought. Pre-crisis Superman was a total cheesefest. Nothing he did would surprise me. Heck, knocking him out of Metropolis was a hella feat on Hulk's behalf.
Superman wins this fight because of superspeed. He doesn't have to let Hulk lay a hand on him. All he needs to do is defeat Hulk before he becomes any sort of a threat. If Superman didn't have superspeed, Hulk would smash him.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
But then, I gave it some thought. Pre-crisis Superman was a total cheesefest. Nothing he did would surprise me. Heck, knocking him out of Metropolis was a hella feat on Hulk's behalf.
Excellent statement, CC. I nearly laughed my head off when i read that. It true though. That should be on a Hulk feat list.
Originally posted by TOUGHUS GUYSUS
also dc characters are created vastly overpowered and a hulk in the dc world would too be far more powerful. hence doomsday for example
Hulk and Doomsday are similar, but different. Hulk has limitless potential for strength and durability. Doomsday can evolve past any enemy.
How do you figure Doomsday is "vastly" more powerful? Given enough anger, Hulk is virtually undefeatable as well.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is officially listed that in Hulk's calm functional state he can press around 70 tons. On average his start strength is somewhere around 100 tons. He is listed at class 100 because his strength can increase to be in excess of 100 tons. Some of the older stories of Hulk shouldn't be used for they don't make much sense (Hulk strength level instantly jumping to a million tons?). If that is the case then one can use pre-crisis superman (who can hurl spaceships to another galaxy, hurl planets, destroy solar systems with a single breath, etc.) Also you must remember that Hulk was rendered unconscience (changing him back to Bruce Banner) many times by more overpowering creatures like abomination. Superman is more powerful and faster than them.
Hulk can become stronger than Pre-crisis Superman as well. In fact, he fought him to a standstill. There's a distinct difference between Pre-crisis Superman and Savage Hulk. None of Pre-crisis Superman's feats are in continuity. They never happened.
Please, stop undercutting Hulk. Hulk is equally as strong and as durable as Superman, and when he's angry, he's stronger and more durable than Superman. I'm not saying that Hulk wins this fight by any account, but respect the character.
Truth is..........If the fight was written by anybody with a history of the two characters, Hulk would win 7 times out of ten. Supes comic history doesn't have him using his abilities in the most effective manner. He doesn't ultilize his speed to keep him out of danger. Hulk, doesn't get hurt easily. He will continue to grow stronger exponentially, and quickly, all the while increasing his durability. He has no limit to strength, because his power lies in his rage, and thats what the hulk is. Rage made flesh. So while a normal guys anger might have a limit, Hulks doesn't, because he's not normal. Heat Vision would only make Hulk more enraged, and so would Supe just zooming around yet staying of reach. So it behooves Supes to get in there and bash it out, yet at the same time it doesn't. Why?? Because the closer you are to Hulk, the closer you are to danger. And for those who doubt the strength of Hulk, he's Class 100. Not meaning his limit, but his base(i believe). So anything above that is fair game for him. The only Supes i see truly trouncing Hulk is Prime, simply cuz they went the gay route for him again. With his arsenal, it'd be a shame if he couldn't win. But put Prime against Devil Hulk neday. Who knows, D.Hulk may be on the cosmic scale? Won't know till they write it.