Galactus, Apocalypse, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Thanos, Onslaught, Hulk, Thor, Champion

<<Galactus, Apocalypse, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Thanos, Onslaught, Hulk, Thor, Champion and Silver Surfer.>>

hmm, weird list . . .

depending on who attacks who, this could go a LOT of ways. i think you're looking for a list based on perceived overall power, though. mine would go like this:

galactus
onslaught
thanos
thor
ss
glads
apoc
champ
juggs
hulk

again, it depends on who takes out who. onslaught has been able to ko juggs easily, but the others might have a harder time. ss has ko'd champ (with gem) which is why he's so low. drax one punched him when he didn't have the gem so he's clearly not THAT powerful without it. MAYBE back when he was first intro'd and a real character rather than a clown i might have put him higher . . . in fact, i would have placed him just below or above thanos back then . . . apoc has been stalemated by loki (and it even appeared loki had the upper hand) so that's why he is low. thor has beaten glads. thor and ss are VERY close imo and could possibly be reversed depending on how both are written. hulk has the lowest durability and has easy weaknesses for the higher ups to exploit. onslaught showed at least some high level reality altering power so i give him the nod over thanos while galactus is still galactus.

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Read the hulk 2001 annual hulk beat thor when thor used lightinig attacks on him he just got madder and beat the living hell out of thor.
hulk # 172 hulk beat the hell out juggernaut. Thanos may have dealt with far stronger beings but he still did not deal with hulk. Hulk completely destroyed galadiator who is almost a carbon copy of superman.
Apocalypse has lost to many mutants it seems he is strong at times and and weak at other times. Thanos does not fight people at light speeds also.

but i also said it depends on who fights who. all ss has to do is absorb the gamma rays out of him as he's done easily in the past. i doubt ss would let hulk stick around to get strong enough to do damage. he's also easily removed from the battle field by a number of the fighters.

For the most part I agree with your list- thats about how it should go with a couple of exceptions.

Thor vs. Surfer has already happened- they're close but thor has beaten him more than once before. Full potential, surfer *should* take it though.

Check Champion's bio. He has unlimited strength, can go at warp speeds, and like the other elders of the universe- has a deal with death and can't actually die. Galactus was almost killed when he tried to consume the elders. (maybe this has been revoked, but if it has I havent heard about it)

Even without the gem he's a serious threat, but he has the same problem Gladiator does- he's a B level character who jobs to EVERYONE, even when he shouldnt.

<<Even without the gem he's a serious threat, but he has the same problem Gladiator does- he's a B level character who jobs to EVERYONE, even when he shouldnt.>>

it's true, though bios aren't always reliable. he was beaten easily by drax AND ss. however, written properly (though i don't really know what 'properly' is for him anymore) and minusing all pis/cis i could see where others would place him higher. i also put thor above ss but i DO think it is very close.

Hulk beat gladiator and badly so he should not be above hulk he has also beaten thor and juggernaut the thanos fight is debatable but these
guys mentioned have been beaten by hulk fact. A madly enraged hulk could take down thanos anyway

Originally posted by Eternity
Read the hulk 2001 annual hulk beat thor when thor used lightinig attacks on him he just got madder and beat the living hell out of thor.
hulk # 172 hulk beat the hell out juggernaut. Thanos may have dealt with far stronger beings but he still did not deal with hulk. Hulk completely destroyed galadiator who is almost a carbon copy of superman.
Apocalypse has lost to many mutants it seems he is strong at times and and weak at other times. Thanos does not fight people at light speeds also.

how is it in the same sentence you quote Gladiator as being a carbon copy of superman (who can go light speed), then say thanos does not fight people at light speeds? Thanos has faught and beaten Gladiator before. And the surfer. both of whom can and do fight and travel at lightspeeds.

Say it with me again: ANYONE WITH THE POWER GEM IS STRONGER THAN THE HULK. Thanos has beaten down people with much, much more power and speed than the hulk. you still havent adressed how the hulk would survive a teleport into the nearest star, which Thanos can easily do.

It doesn't matter how strong apocalypse is. everyone has high and low showings. the only showing that matters is the one where he beat down the hulk and turned him into his servant, USING HIS OWN TECH. no matter how strong war hulk is, he only got that way because thats how apocalypse made him. Apocalypse beats hulk 10/10.

Champion did not fight hulk when he came to earth as hulk was disqualified and if thor beat him{ i am not to sure } then hulk can also beat him

Hulk has also fought gladiator but was it at light speed? I also have read a few comics in which thanos fought surfer and NOOOOOOOOOO where did they say he did it at light speed. If apocalypse beating hulk is all that matters it therefore means that hulk beating thanos is all that matters as well. Thanos has also lost to thor before.

Originally posted by Eternity
Champion did not fight hulk when he came to earth as hulk was disqualified and if thor beat him{ i am not to sure } then hulk can also beat him

Hulk and thor were both disqualified. Champion (who had no gem at the time) fought thing, and conceded defeat because he would have had to kill the thing to defeat him, and was unwilling to do so.

Surfer and thanos fight all the time. Surfer usually loses horribly. their fights have never been stated to take place at light speed, but since the surfer usually does engage in combat in high speeds in space, it would be sheer insanity to not do so when fighting his greatest adversary. If it was possible to speedblitz him, surfer and glads and champion and Odin and Drax and warlock et cetera would have done so.

Check thanos' bio- he's the strongest of all eternals, with total control of his molecular structure. he's as fast and powerful as he desires.

Surfer does not speed blitz thanos because he is naive and does not usually use his powers well. Have you ever seen galctus fight at light speeds? Does that mean that he cant move through space at light speeds? no it does not

Apocolypse beating hulk is all that matters since War Hulk (arguably
his strongest form) is a creation OF apocalypse, and thus inferior.

Hulk beating thanos only happened due to a random plot device and
the assistance of Xman. I don't see any Xman-provided suits hanging
around in this melee.

The surfer isn't "naive." He's used high speed tactics many times
before. Remember the fight vs. God cable? superspeed and matter
manipulation at the same time vs. Cable. Yet, he gets punked
horribly vs. Thanos.

and its not just the surfer. Warlock, Drax, ODIN, Tyrant...Thanos
tangles with beings capable of warp speeds on a regular basis. None
of them have taken him out. It involves a little logic, but if beings
who CAN speedblitz you CANT or WONT when you're a universal
threat, its logical to assume that that tactic WILL NOT WORK since he
can operate at that speed as well.

Also your galactus argument is also full of holes. If galactus can
make beings capable of traveling and fighting at light speed with a
wave of his hand (surfer, nova, etc), its not that much of a jump to
assume that he himself can as well.

Thanos has beaten thor AT HIS STRONGEST AND WITH THE GEM
many more times than the opposite has happened. Freaking ODIN
couldnt KO thanos. Thanos is way, way more powerful than any
incarnation of thor OR the hulk. Unless you want to argue that the
hulk is somehow more powerful than Odin is.

you still haven't adressed how the hulk would survive a teleport into
the nearest star, which thanos can easily do. Or a conversion to
stone, which thanos can also do. (thanos has matter manipulation)
Saying Hulk vs. Thanos is debatable is sheer lunacy.

1.Hulk has resisted matter manipulation many times thanks his healing factor
2. Saying thanos fights at super speeds is what is lunacy
3. Celestial armour=greater than x mans armour
4. Thanos has beaten thor at his strongest but has also lost to thor when he was not at his strongest
5. fully enraged hulk has energy of a supernova and physical strength of two universes

If thanos is that much stronger than hulk then some help from X man would have not really mattered would it?

Originally posted by Eternity
hulk # 172 hulk beat the hell out juggernaut.

When exactly has hulk resisted matter manipulation of Thanos' caliber? Never.

The hulk does not have celestial armor. he has equipment produced with celestial technology
which is the EXACT SAME THING that apocalypse uses, because apocalypse GAVE IT TO HIM.
Cyclops Busted open Apocalypse's armor back in Xfactor with a full strength optic blast.
Black Bolt atomized apocalypse with a word in house of M.

Thanos is far, FAR stronger than either of these.

Thor has broken bona fide celestial armor on his own with the godforce. Hulk is paste.

Thanos' highest showings far outnumber his lowest showings. As I've said, he's beaten beings
with infinite strength more times than not. Hulk isn't even in the same class as a power gem wielder,
and Thanos has taken out at least two of those. (I think Drax also, at some point, but I'm not 100% sure.)

The energy of a supernova? please. That's pure BS, and even if it wasn't (for the sake of argument)
The powers of surfer and Odin and the gem are both far stronger than one supernova.
The surfer has flown through and absorbed stars. Odin is self explanatory. The Gem is **infinite power**

None of these could KO thanos.

Why am I even arguing this? you're clearly either a fanboy or a troll. Chalk it up to sunday morning boredom.

Originally posted by Eternity
Hulk beat gladiator and badly so he should not be above hulk he has also beaten thor and juggernaut the thanos fight is debatable but these
guys mentioned have been beaten by hulk fact. A madly enraged hulk could take down thanos anyway

you are kidding, right? i thought i was pretty clear. SILVER SURFER ABSORBS HIS GAMMA ENERGY AND CHANGES HIM BACK TO BANNER! hulk is out of the fight before it even starts. if anyone wants to go h2h with hulk that's unrealistic. though i confess glads should likely be at the bottom because ss could also blast him with the radiation that is HIS weakness and hulk HAS beaten him.

and no, hulk has never beaten juggernaut -- and war hulk doesn't count.

<<Why am I even arguing this? you're clearly either a fanboy or a troll. Chalk it up to sunday morning boredom.>>
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Thor haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas lost to hulk so many times.mjolnir or not
You call being thrown into a mountain a standstill ridiculous
Say whatever you like X mans armour increased huks durability and strength. Hulk can reach these levels when enraged.
Hulk beats juggernaut anytime not even an issue
Hulk also beats gladiator
If enraged to onslaught level hulk caaaaaaaaaan beat thanos like it or not

Originally posted by leonidas
you are kidding, right? i thought i was pretty clear. SILVER SURFER ABSORBS HIS GAMMA ENERGY AND CHANGES HIM BACK TO BANNER! hulk is out of the fight before it even starts. if anyone wants to go h2h with hulk that's unrealistic. though i confess glads should likely be at the bottom because ss could also blast him with the radiation that is HIS weakness and hulk HAS beaten him.

and no, hulk has never beaten juggernaut -- and war hulk doesn't count.

Glads isnt even IN this fight, and is nigh useless for comparison because
he jobs too much. If he was, going up against a melee with Galactus
AND thanos in it would pulverize his confidence. Sammy the Squid boy
would be able to knock his ass out then.